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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

So, I guess "conscience" dosen't come into play while banging your own parents, is it? Yup, you definitely need a shrink.


Again, for some people, not me. I don't know how or why, but some people don't find it wrong. I am NOT one of them. But, I can tolerate them.
Told you already, they were all busy servicing you. And I think you need a crash course regarding comprehension also. You seem to be having a problem understanding that I don't like incest, merely tolerate it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Freethinker112



Again, for some people, not me. I don't know how or why, but some people don't find it wrong. I am NOT one of them. But, I can tolerate them.
Told you already, they were all busy servicing you. And I think you need a crash course regarding comprehension also. You seem to be having a problem understanding that I don't like incest, merely tolerate it.


YOU are the one that has a comprehension problem. How much does one session with the shrink cost you? A lot, I believe.
Going into a corner now, are you? Didn't you just say that, "just because a parent and a child has sex, it doesn't make their relation impure"?. And, YOU compared a mother-child relationship with a husband-wife one on the point of sexuality. You were moving hell to justify it. Not to mention, you kept on contradicting your points with every alternate post you made. "UTTERLY Confused" is the key term for your entire presence in this thread.
I understand your parents' plight though. Must cost em a lot. It's THEM who has to pay for your sessions, after all.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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P.S. If anybody has the right to *tolerate* incest, anybody has the right to be intolerant towards it. But it seems to complicated for a dumbed-down-by-overt-theoretisation brain to comprehend.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Didn't you just say that, "just because a parent and a child has sex, it doesn't make their relation impure"?. And, YOU compared a mother-child relationship with a husband-wife one on the point of sexuality.


My point was that sex does not degrade a relation if consensual. Though it is not the norm, if a mother son wants to have sex with mutual consent, it will not make their relation impure.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#45
You do not seem to be able to have a mature conversation. You have a need to name call in every post, you resort to Ad Hominem when you can't defend your views, and you post personal ridicules instead of replying to the arguments in the post. And you have to repeat that you are right in every other sentence.

In short, you are behaving like a kid with whom one cannot have a serious discussion.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: Freethinker112

You do not seem to be able to have a mature conversation. You have a need to name call in every post, you resort to Ad Hominem when you can't defend your views, and you post personal ridicules instead of replying to the arguments in the post. And you have to repeat that you are right in every other sentence.


In short, you are behaving like a kid with whom one cannot have a serious discussion.


Right. Spoken like a true defeated one. Btw, I clarified all my "ad hominems" in my past posts. You might want to go back and read them. In future, try to stick to one stance. And, I'm sorry, but its impossible to come up with a serious reply to whatever you wrote in this thread. And oh, you also went to great absurdities to defend yourself with statements likening ethical codes governing a mother-child relationship with a malpractise like Sati (The biggest of all the "W*F" statements made by you here). You resorted to laughable OTT idealism just to defend your argument. You talk about "rule of the majority" in one post, and then contradict it by mentioning "consciental considerations". I'm sorry, but throughout the length of the debate between the two of us, you were unable to come up with anything except vapid theory and inconsistent rambling. And yes, I have defended my arguments in every post where I also pointed out the discrepancies of your various points. Next time, try to say something worth taking seriously.
P.S. Its okay to use "personal attack" instead of Ad hominem.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Right. Spoken like a true defeated one.


And the trait continues. You already have reached the verdict, haven't you, that I am defeated?


Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Btw, I clarified all my "ad hominems" in my past posts. You might want to go back and read them.


Nope, you haven't, can't find them. You may wanna post again.
And really sneaky, editing a post AFTER I have replied to it.


Originally posted by: krystal_watz

. And, I'm sorry, but its impossible to come up with a serious reply to whatever you wrote in this thread.


Same can be said about you.


Originally posted by: krystal_watz

And oh, you also went to great absurdities to defend yourself with statements likening ethical codes governing a mother-child relationship with a malpractise like Sati


Come on, I gotta spoon feed to you? Okay, let's take it in simple terms that you may understand.
Society thought women didn't deserve to live without their husband. Society thinks people should not have sexual relationship with their relation. The women wanted to live, opposing society views. Some people want to have sexual relation with family, opposing society views. But women were forced to act opposite of what they wanted. Incestuous couple are forced to act opposite of what they want.
See the correlation? If you can't understand in such simple terms, I can't make it any simpler.


Originally posted by: krystal_watz

You talk about "rule of the majority" in one post, and then contradict it by mentioning "consciental considerations".


I have, in this thread, argued against "rule of majority". I am actually for people free to do the things they want and society not interfering. Have you even read my posts?


Originally posted by: krystal_watz

I'm sorry, but throughout the length of the debate between the two of us, you were unable to come up with anything except vapid theory and inconsistent rambling.


I actually argued for the freedom of people, while you made posts of self pompousness, considering yourself higher than every other person and considering every word coming out of your mouth as the absolute truth while opposing viewpoints are "inconsistent rambling". I actually made an argument, while your posts basically were confirmations by you that you were right.


Originally posted by: krystal_watz

And yes, I have defended my arguments in every post where I also pointed out the discrepancies of your various points.


Nope, instead of defending you are just dying to prove i am a "young-theorist-rambler", and so you are automatically right. You are too stuck to even consider the opposite viewpoints without personal attacks.



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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Freethinker112



And the trait continues. You already have reached the verdict, haven't you, that I am defeated?




Nope, you haven't, can't find them. You may wanna post again.
And really sneaky, editing a post AFTER I have replied to it.




Same can be said about you.




Come on, I gottaspoonfeed to you? Okay, let's take it in simple terms that you mayunderstand.
Society thought women didn't deserve to live without their husband. Society thinks people should not have sexual relationship with their relation. The women wanted to live, opposing society views. Some people want to have sexual relation with family, opposing society views. But women were forced to actoppositeof what they wanted. Incestuous couple are forced to act opposite of what they want.
See the correlation? If you can't understand in such simple terms, I can't make it any simpler.
Sorry, that's an out-and-out absurd co-relation. Incest is against the basic social conditioning of humans, and hence considered "perverted" by Society at large. It is also wrong from a conscience POV, while a widow wanting to have a relationship is not conscientally wrong. And btw, Sati got nothing to do with anything here. You've also to learn how to make a point with clarity. And the relationship between blood-relatives is on an entirely different level than any Social custom. Parents and siblings, ARE parents and siblings in any culture, under any circumstances. Its the way we have been conditioned since we have shed the ape skin. That relationship is not "subjective" to anything. Oh, must I say more? :'(




I have, in this thread, argued against "rule of majority". I am actually for people free to do the things they want and society not interfering. Have you even read my posts?
Turn the logic on to yourself. Human beings are social animals, and have a right to judge. Telling "society" not to interfere is impractical. Also, (in your language) who appointed you the Society Police? You got no right to tell people what they should think about others. Mind yo own biz.




I actually arguedforthe freedom of people, while you made posts of selfpompousness, considering yourself higher than every other person andconsideringevery word coming out of your mouth as the absolute truth while opposing viewpoints are "inconsistent rambling". I actually made an argument, while your posts basically were confirmations by you that you were right.
You wish you knew what an argument is. You've a long way to go to grow up. And no, I'm not being snide. Freedom is never absolute, and people can never accept outlandish behaviour that is obnoxiously taboo. It's wrong to expect it. But that's something you won't understand at your age. Its all right.




Nope, instead of defending you are just dying to prove i am a "young-theorist-rambler", and so you are automatically right. You are too stuck to even consider the opposite viewpoints without personal attacks.




Read my last posts. Again and again. Patiently.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Sorry, that's an out-and-out absurd co-relation. Incest is against the basic social conditioning of humans, and hence considered "perverted" by Society at large. It is also wrong from a conscience POV, while a widow wanting to have a relationship is not conscientally wrong. And btw, Sati got nothing to do with anything here. You've also to learn how to make a point with clarity. And the relationship between blood-relatives is on an entirely different level than any Social custom. Parents and siblings, ARE parents and siblings in any culture, under any circumstances. Its the way we have been conditioned since we have shed the ape skin. That relationship is not "subjective" to anything. Oh, must I say more? :'(


And again, once upon a time Sati was also considered normal by the whole society. And that is just an example. It is wrong for your conscience, but apparently not for some otherwise they wouldn't have indulged in it. Again, one size doesn't fit all. Just because most doesn't want to have sexual relationship with family, doesn't mean that there can't be a small minority who does. And you yourself say that it is a "conditioning", meaning it is subjective and not objective.


Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Turn the logic on to yourself. Human beings are social animals, and have a right to judge. Telling "society" not to interfere is impractical. Also, (in your language) who appointed you the Society Police? You got no right to tell people what they should think about others. Mind yo own biz.


Wow, you are ready to tell people what to do and now have a problem with people telling you what to think? You consider yourself above your rules?
And no, I never said that you didn't have a right to judge. I have repeated again and again that you have all the right to be grossed by it, you can have no connection with those people. But that doesn't give you the right to stop them. Judge all you want, but don't force down your thoughts down other throats.
And I am exactly minding my own business, that's why I am making the argument that if people are consenting they should be allowed to do what they want. We should mind our own business. It's you who is adamant to pry into affairs of others, their personal sex lives. And again, take your own advice.


Originally posted by: krystal_watz

You wish you knew what an argument is. You've a long way to go to grow up. And no, I'm not being snide. Freedom is never absolute, and people can never accept outlandish behaviour that is obnoxiously taboo. It's wrong to expect it. But that's something you won't understand at your age. Its all right.


Personal attacks, yet again.
And you will never grow up. You will become 60 one day and still be stuck in your mentality.
Yes, if all people are consenting, they should be free to do what they want.
And society is changing. Once inter-religious and inter-caste marriages were taboo, and that taboo is diminishing nowadays.
And seems like personal choice is a concept you won't understand at any age, even when you get 60.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Freethinker112


And again, once upon a time Sati was also considered normal by the whole society. And that is just an example. It is wrong for your conscience, but apparently not for some otherwise they wouldn't have indulged in it. Again, one size doesn't fit all. Just because most doesn't want to have sexual relationship with family, doesn't mean that there can't be a small minority who does. And you yourself say that it is a "conditioning", meaning it is subjective and not objective.


Again, blood relations are NOT on the same level as social customs. Blood relations are universal, independant of any individual society. And, using the "subjective" logic, every social construct is subjective, including general ethics and morality. This could be used as an argument to justify Sati as well.

Originally posted by: Freethinker112




HAHAHA, getting agitated, are you? See, your tender mind speaks at this point 😛 What do you mean by "forcing views down one's throat"? How does one do it, pray? Avoiding people who violate integral social norms, boycotting em, is the way people go. And, by the way, incest is illegal in many countries. Go screech at the law. Hoo hoo. *yawn*

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