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Posted: 14 years ago
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It is said that when actions are dedicated to the Lord and its fruits given up we are free from its karma. So the question is how are such actions different from those others done for personal benefit? Desires bind us to the physical and one action leads to another and this binds us more and more.
Lord Krishna taught action in inaction because we cannot get away from karma. In acquiring knowledge desires end and karma falls off too.
Karma too is not bound by time and space.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: K.Consciousness



Only the brain. Neurons, dendrites, synapses, axons, glia, microtubules, electrochemical impulses, the whole works.

Not bad :)
Since a couple of weeks now, I am trying to find information on two things: 1. where is all the data that we take in, stored? 2. how is it stored, in what language?

Answer to question 1 is that it is distributed inside the brain and the strength of synaptic connections tell how important that data is to us. Where exactly is it stored is still unclear to me. Some are saying it is the microtubules. I got to research more.

Answer to question 2 is what I am most interested in. How is the data stored in our brains? For instance on hard drives, data is recorded by magnetizing ferromagnetic material to represent a 1 or 0. What about the brain?

Interestingly there are supposed to be more than five million magnetite crystals per gram in the human brain. The meninges, (the membrane that envelops the brain), has twenty times that number!
Several theories abound regarding memory storage. Its moved on from local to non local.As per a theory quantum processing is supposed to take place in the microtubules. Patterns of quantum waves in the microtubules has been suggested as a sort of coding for memories. These could give rise to electrical impulses across the synapses that are responsible for the communication through chemical neurotransmitters.

But for karma to operate individually or collectively memory storage would have to persist beyond the confines of the physical brain! Could the Holonomic Brain Theory have an explanation?

Knowing how the data is recorded in our brains would answer key questions about consciousness and intelligence. It would also have a LOT of practical applications. On demand load of data/information, external storage of data from our brains (backup), purging bad memories, to name a few :)
OMG ! 😲 I somehow dont like the idea of anything having that level of access but wont the examinees be pleased ! 😆 In fact electrical as well as magnetic stimulation thinking caps have already been invented! They are said to improve memory and aid faster learning.
How is this related to Karma? We could program the brain to do "good deeds" for instance. Make it choose from a set of "allowed" paths and leave less to chance.

Hmm ...creation of zombies?! These researches need closer monitoring than those of stem cells!!!

Edited by angie.4u - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Darklord_Rehan

That is why, a stoic - or a person who does Karma without any fear or desire - is completely free from the effects of Karma as his Karma was done without any good or bad intention.

Ties in with the non doership mode! So would there be a re incarnation after that or no?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



There is this scene in Matrix where Cypher decides he no longer wants to fight the Matrix. He says
"You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss"

& pursuit of Tao requires shedding of all knowledge says Lao Tzu !

As much as I am curious how deep the rabbit hole is, eventually I think to myself - I live on the surface not the rabbit hole. I taste food, I breathe the air, I enjoy the weather, my senses make me experience life and that is reality. It does not matter if the experience is real or programmed or an illusion. If the experience appears real, and I cry or laugh, it is real enough to live,

Ultimately, our search for truth, nirvana, liberation, God whatever is driven out of this life we live and experience. So what if the truth or liberation that we seek points that this life is a lie or an illusion or meaningless. How reliable is this truth or liberation if it is derived from within a life that is allegedly an illusion or a lie?

If we go by the Matrix, there is another Matrix outside the Matrix and another Matrix outside that Matrix. It is just circles. The truth we all know is hundred years from now we both will be dead. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Where the ashes and dust come from and go? Who knows? All we know is dead. Between now and dead we can keep going from one matrix to another, and still be dead. Or we can sit down grab a piece of cake and enjoy the sweet delicious taste. Even if the cake is a lie, it is still sweet and delicious. And we can go on enjoying the sweet, salty,delicious, tasty. fun, sad, happy, cold, hot, joyous, wrenching, painful, blissful, ecstatic, heartbreaking and all the experiences we can between now and dead.
Yeah , why not ? We may as well enjoy ourselves while we are here 😛

Is liberation really all what it is made out to be? Sounds like annihilation doesnt it ?

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You could have let me enjoy my ROFLs 😆 but thanks for sharing the song .


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: angie.4u

Several theories abound regarding memory storage. Its moved on from local to non local.As per a theory quantum processing is supposed to take place in the microtubules. Patterns of quantum waves in the microtubules has been suggested as a sort of coding for memories. These could give rise to electrical impulses across the synapses that are responsible for the communication through chemical neurotransmitters.



Quantum is non-local. If that theory has any truth to it, that would mean our memories are non-local too but will collpase into one place when we "fetch" them.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Prometeus

I hate theories...😳

especially the quantum theory😆...it fits into every thread...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: angie.4u


Ties in with the non doership mode! So would there be a re incarnation after that or no?


Once karma is all burnt or used up there is no rebirth they say. But the it is also said the thought at the point of death determines our fate. It seems that if we think of God only at point if death then there is no rebirth. But at point of death we are still praying for a brand new BMW it will be different😆
Young children who suddenly die without any sickness or suffering etc too have no more rebirths it is said. The thoughts determine everything.

Edited by Summer3 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades


The universe and nature seem neutral at best. They are not interested in punishing the sinner and rewarding the virtuous - everyone is equal in the laws of the universe.

Human morality is subjective. It is dependent on human experience, culture, society and the brain of the individual. That makes every moral decision or judgment - relative and not absolute right?

But the question still bugs me - if the universe and nature is neutral - why do I have morality? Why am I not constant like gravity or consistent like mathematics? How did the neutral forces of nature produces something that is subjective, inconsistent and driven by a complex mixture of emotions and reason?

Admitting that we are unique in the universe in that we are endowed with the ability to think, create emotions and take actions, it makes perfect sense to know that our moral intuitions were formed in the evolutionary process .. Our actions have ramifications, not just for us but others too and that obligates us to have a deeper understanding of right action in every aspect of our lives..
Interesting thing is that our sense of morality keeps us from giving in to our natural instincts, both being result of evolution..
Once we admit that fundamental moral principles are based in the well being of mankind, we can see that morality is as much scientific as it is spiritual..Having said that though, I don't think spiritual nature of morality should be applied to the rest of the universe..

Morality does not change over the years but beliefs about morality that are acquired from social norms and religious teachings changes through generations as in case of slavery.. Moral beliefs about thou shall not kill, lie, cheat, deceive has always existed in mankind and people of diverse religious and ethical persuasions represent it with great consistency..
Every person has potential to be a moral hero, to ponder what is right and take the benevolent action, but in reality it is a challenge because our actions are mostly based on emotions than thoughts.. Surprisingly and evidently, when facing moral dilemmas such as aborting baby to save mothers life, our emotions do not have much affect on our decision compared to when there is no clear cut answer and the situation demands less emotion and more reasoning..
Good moral reasoning is the foundation of good moral action or Karma if you will.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: K.Consciousness



Quantum is non-local. If that theory has any truth to it, that would mean our memories are non-local too but will collpase into one place when we "fetch" them.


Angie and Mr K...Nice physiological discussion going there...
I think you are on to something about "cloud based memory" ... I read an interesting article by Deepak Chopra in Newsweek magazine about collective memory and how it is stored like a hologram in brain and how we individually tap into the collection of memories..! Intersting...




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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: my_view

Angie and Mr K...Nice physiological discussion going there...

I think you are on to something about "cloud based memory" ... I read an interesting article by Deepak Chopra in Newsweek magazine about collective memory and how it is stored like a hologram in brain and how we individually tap into the collection of memories..! Intersting...



Thanks. Not that Deepak Chopra lent any extra credence to that theory...

It's pretty straightforward actually -

1. There are what we call memories
2. The encoding and retrieval of memories happens in the brain, that part is ascertainable
3. The storage of these memories however is a black-box. That is because we don't know their representation in the brain
4. Microtubules within Neurons could hold the key
5. Theory goes that messages are carried through the microtubules by quantum wave functions
6. As you most likely know, quantum is a probabilistic function. At any given time, either the location or the momentum of the message is uncertain.

So, it's possible that the location of the memories is not in the location that we think they are in.


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