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Posted: 15 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: angelic_devil

we fanatic hindus r not under the influence of govt. its the secular tolerant indians who r , bcz GOI has done absolutely nothing for hindus.
Give me one sector/state/city/mohalla where you see non-hindu community flourishing more than the hindus. Claim kiya hai toh back up kuchh toh hona chahiye na.
our govt asks us never to point fingers at other religions but we do that. so we r not all under their influence. and SS is not GOI. yes its a political party and so it BJP with the ram janam bhumi issue. and we support both.
BJP, in case you did not notice at all, has done a complete 180 degrees turn on their take on ram janam bhoomi issue. Should tell you why they supported it in the first place. That said, I have always prefrred BJP over congress because I feel BJP is far less evil than congress.
And one more thing - I hope you will support the sainiks when they happen start slapping around girls in western clothes and couples celebrating valentines. This is how fanaticism grows - one baby step at a time. You support one step, they take it to the next level.
atleast we fanatic hindus dont indulge in mass killings like other religions.
If fanaticism is not quashed at the time of birth, this is where it usually leads - state of islam is the best example. Aankh band rakhney sey facts naheen badalney waley. This is where hinduism will be leading to if we have less of my kind and more of your. Fortunately, that ain't the case😊
so we fanatic hindus r completely harmless and nothing in comparision to other religious fanatics.
Try telling this to those indian hindus who lost their children in the mayhem raj thackrey's men unleashed.
we are not concerned with what other religions do in their country , unless it is affecting us. thats all we are asking. rest to hell with what customs they follow and all till the time they dont impose them on us and point finger at us. and if they do that, then we fanatic hindus will do the same to them.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind --- cliched but so apt. As far as not giving a damn about what they do inside their home - wrong again. We live in a global economy these days. The state of my neighbor affects me as much as the state within my house. Hard to avoid the stench when things around you are rotting.

People should try to focus on being a good human being first. Devout hindu, muslim, christian ban ney key liye poori zindgee padee hai.
Fanatcism is fanaticism is fanaticism. There's no good in it - no matter which angle one looks at it. Baki, dil behlaney key liye khayal achhey hainšŸ˜†
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Posted: 15 years ago
#62
If SS can try their level best to quash SRK's freedom of speech, what is the guarantee it will not do the same to others?
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Posted: 15 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: angelic_devil



we fanatic hindus r not under the influence of govt. its the secular tolerant indians who r , bcz GOI has done absolutely nothing for hindus. our govt asks us never to point fingers at other religions but we do that. so we r not all under their influence. and SS is not GOI. yes its a political party and so it BJP with the ram janam bhumi issue. and we support both. atleast we fanatic hindus dont indulge in mass killings like other religions. so we fanatic hindus r completely harmless and nothing in comparision to other religious fanatics. we are not concerned with what other religions do in their country , unless it is affecting us. thats all we are asking. rest to hell with what customs they follow and all till the time they dont impose them on us and point finger at us. and if they do that, then we fanatic hindus will do the same to them.

Really? What about the Babri Masjid tragedy? It was initiated by "us fanatic hindus" too? IMO, Fanatic Hindus=BJP=Lalu=🤢 Many riots are often started by BJP. I lived in Delhi and was brought up there. My school is near Janpath, where the BJP headquarters are. One day, I saw them disgarcing Muslims in a conference and then when the Muslims came in and raised their voices, they ordered the policemen to beat up the Muslims in front of the whole world. Plus, they were blocking the road, which ticked me off as I got home late. So, "fanatic hindus" are also bad. But of course, Muslims are more terrorizing on a worldwide scale.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: angelic_devil

so we fanatic hindus r completely harmless and nothing in comparision to other religious fanatics.



Anything, when it goes into an extreme limit, becomes harmful. Extremism ain't encouraged anywhere.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: angelic_devil



we fanatic hindus r not under the influence of govt. its the secular tolerant indians who r , bcz GOI has done absolutely nothing for hindus. our govt asks us never to point fingers at other religions but we do that. so we r not all under their influence. and SS is not GOI. yes its a political party and so it BJP with the ram janam bhumi issue. and we support both. atleast we fanatic hindus dont indulge in mass killings like other religions. so we fanatic hindus r completely harmless and nothing in comparision to other religious fanatics. we are not concerned with what other religions do in their country , unless it is affecting us. thats all we are asking. rest to hell with what customs they follow and all till the time they dont impose them on us and point finger at us. and if they do that, then we fanatic hindus will do the same to them.



Now let me speak for the tolerant hindus.

Yup fanatic hindus dont indulge in mass killings. Gujarat 2002 yup. Putting bomb in the mouth of 5 year old child and blewing him into pieces, tearing open a fully pregnant women's womb and throwing the fetus into fire. 'Completely harmless' yup.

But we the secular ones, the tolerant ones, who are definitely the majority are not gonna let another Gujarat happen.

Coming to ram janam bhoomi, the mosque was build after demolishing ram temple maybe. But then dravidians who are the earliest inhabitants of India can claim that the temple was build over the ruins of their palaces or religious places!!šŸ˜† Like the muslims and europeans, the hindus(aryans) were outsiders. They came to India and displaced dravidian kingdoms and drove them south.

Muslim extremists are worse compared to fundamentalists from other religions no doubt. But no one has the right to harm innocent muslims in India for the atrocities committed by lunatics and as 'tolerant hindus' we consider Indian muslims( leaving out terrorists, terror sponsors) as our brothers and we will be on their side no matter what!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: sneha0601

Someone sent me this as email, and I checked the website as well: Have a look guys! I must say, am pretty impressed and agree in quite a few parts with the author, not all, but a lot of them definitely!


Your name is a household phenomenon in Indian and even beyond her borders. Your fame has put you in the Newsweek "most powerful people list" recently. However, as you may recall from your recent experience in New Jersey Airport, real life is a little different - it does not always follow the path predicted by a scriptwriter or director.

Of late, we have been reading about your opinions and statements on matters beyond the celluloid world. Nothing is wrong in it. You live in a free, democratic country and are entirely entitled to your opinion. But as a common man, also from the same soil, I think I have the right too to raise a few points that may not conform to your views of the real world.

I hope you will read it out.

When recently, the Pakistani players were not selected for the IPL, it was almost predictable that NDTV, the award-winning, mouthpiece of our Indian liberal media select you for your views and you certified that "It (Pakistan) is a great neighbour to have. We (India and Pakistan) are great neighbours. They are good neighbours."

I have a few words to say about those statements.

One may recall your effort to clarify the Pakistani team captain, Shoaib Malik"s apology to the Muslims, living all over the world, for failing to win the final T20 match against India, likely much to the embarrassment of a lot of Indian Muslims, as expressed by Shamin Bano, mother of the man of the match, Irfan Pathan. What was more embarrassing was your effort to try to defend Shoaib in a subsequent interview, "I don"t think he meant to segregate Muslims and Christians and Hindus and say this was a match between Islam and Hinduism. I don"t think that..."

I doubt whether Shoaib talked to you personally about his thought process at that time. You did not really have to respond for somebody else but perhaps you could not resist the temptation to show your brotherhood and solidarity.

This reminds us again of Dr Ambedkar"s observation that, "The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only.

Partition of India was what Pakistan wanted and got. It was painful to millions but many more millions in present India have been spared. Since then Pakistan has offered us only hatred. It has imposed on us three major wars, the Kargil insurgency, the Kashmir conflict, the series of serial blasts, the routine violation of border ceasefires, attacks on the Parliament House and the recent Mumbai 26/11attack.

Did you have these in mind when you talked about them being good neighbours?

In another interview you had tried to explain the concept of Islamic Jihad. "I think one needs to understand the meaning of jihad .. I"ve understood the essence that jihad is not about killing other people; jihad is about killing the badness in you."

May be you understand jihad better and deeper than the superficial meaning of what we, the rest of the mortal mankind, overburdened and terrorized by the inter-religious, intra-religious and sectarian violence that is plaguing the world in the name of Islam today, do. For we, the less educated, cannot really make a difference between Jihad and Qatl, between Jihad by heart / soul, Jihad by pen and Jihad by sword or between lesser and greater jihad.

We wonder, whatever its meaning may be, does it minimize the significance of the mindless killings that we see today in the name of Islam, across borders, all over the world? Does it change the nature of the killers whether you call them holy warriors, mujahidins, fedayeens or plane suicide bombers?

We agree with you that terrorism has no religion. But hopefully you will also agree with the people who perceive that most terrorist in the world today happen to believe in the scriptures of Islam. They actually believe that they themselves are the true Islamists.

The so called "moderate" Islamist, perhaps does not want to contradict them or may be does not dare to speak out against them. You have probably not forgotten the FIR against you for listing Prophet Mohammed as one of the most unimpressive personalities in history, the threats from which you had to skillfully wriggle out. Others who are not so fortunate, famous or flexible are suffering lifetime, as Tasleema Nasreen or Salman Rushdie would testify. For blasphemy in Islam is punishable with death, even for a believer.

Do I have to spell out the fate if it is a non-believer?

It is due to the inherent intolerance and exclusivity of Islam itself despite your effort to convince us that there is an Islam from Allah and very unfortunately, there is an Islam from the Mullahs

Here is an historical insight from writer Irfan Hussain, "The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed some dreadful crimes..all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed. Indeed, the presence of Muslim historians on their various campaigns has ensured that the memory of their deeds will live long after they were buried...Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster."

So why should the "non-believers" care to accept them? Why should the majority of Indians like to welcome back such disasters again?

Since partition, India has come a long way in progress and development to her current status and is projected as an economic superpower in coming decades while Pakistan is perceived as a failed state on the verge of disintegration.

What does India have to gain by offering neighbourly friendship to such a hostile and failed state?

India has never been an invader and is not in conflict of any other Muslim country. None of the wars and conflicts with Pakistan was instigated by India. In the current geopolitical situation, one can argue for the Muslim world"s grudge and anger against Israel or the west and USA but one fail to fathom why India should also be at the receiving end and why Indians should be the second largest group of people to die from terrorists attacks. Indian majorities do not have anything to do with the Danish cartoon or the death of Saddam Hussain; so why should they suffer from Islamic havoc on those occasions.

In almost all occasions of terrorism, questions are raised about possible role of Pakistan, its terror bases and its terrorist organizations, as either directly or indirectly involved. Be it state sponsored (as recently admitted by President Zardari) or by non-state actors, Pakistan or Pakistani born are prime suspect in terrorist activities all over the world. ISI has been accused of playing a role in major terrorist attacks including 9/11 in the USA, terrorism in Kashmir, Mumbai Train Bombings, London Bombings, Indian Parliament Attack, Varanasi bombings, Hyderabad bombings, Mumbai terror attacks or the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul.

Do you believe these are marks of a good neighbour? Then what is the reason for your preaching of love towards Pakistan?

Perhaps, as you said, because it is your ancestor"s homeland, you have a soft feeling for Pakistan and cannot see the difference. On the eve of accepting an honorary doctorate from a British university, we heard you say, "I really believe we are the same ..when you come away from India or Pakistan you realize there is no Indian or Pakistani - we"re all together. We are - culturally, as human beings, as friends"

Which Pakistanis are you referring to?

The Pakistanis belonging to the land, admonished as the epicenter of global terrorism, not just by India or USA but even by its friendly allies like Iran or China.

Or is it the self-created, Talibanic Pakistan, who still imposes Jijya on the non believers or finds pleasure in blowing up girl"s schools.

Are you talking about its President class like the current Mr. Zardari, vowed to wage a 1,000-year war with India or the late Mrs. Bhutto who started Jihad in Kashmiri that lead to the exodus of Hindu minorities from the Muslim majority state of India, as refugees in their own country?

Are you referring to Pakistanis loyal to the ISI and the military who train their soldiers with only one objective, i.e. to fight Hindu India?

If your mind is concerned about the faceless mass of Pakistanis, does it also include the dwindling minorities?

Or are you just concerned about the celebrities and the social elites?

It is true SRK that we belong to the same human species but it is hard to stretch the similarities much further between "us" and "them".

We from the same original land of Bharat but we want to keep her intact, they want to break it into thousand pieces.

Our ancestors happen to be the same. We acknowledge and adore the heritage but they abhor and decimate whoever is available in an attempt to wipe out the link.

We are culturally the same. We have created the culture over centuries what they dream to destroy in moments.

Ours is a 10,000 year old civilization, theirs is a 62 years old country undoing whole human civilization.

We extend our hands repeatedly to promote friendship and amity; they give us ISI, Lashkar, Harkat, Kashmir, Kargil and 26/11 in exchange.

Do you think that the Indians nationals who died in all the above wars, the Indian soldiers who lost their lives in cross-border ceasefire violations or the Indian civilians who are killed by the ISI trained Islamic terrorists and their affiliates, in all those serial blasts, all over the country, willfully sacrificed their lives as a friendly neighbourhood gesture?

Can you face the families of the victims of Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus or the martyrs of the Kargil war and try to explain to them that "They are good neighbours. Let us love each other."

Can you explain why the two gunmen at Cama hospital, during the Mumbai carnage, asked the man who gave them water, what his religion was, and shot him dead when he said he was a Hindu?

If you cannot, then perhaps you understand why the majority of India does not consider Pakistan as a good neighbour to have.

Perhaps you believe that the peaceful religious co-existence that you created in your home (and we appreciate that) can be extended to the large world outside. As you rightly said, we Indians trust and do accept everybody but what you did fail to mention was that it is the Indic tradition, essentially coming out of its pre-Islamic Hindu ethos.

If you think otherwise, show us a single Islamic country where the non-believers enjoy the same equality as the believers. Since partition, the Hindus left over in Pakistan and Bangladesh has suffered terribly. Strictly Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia, do not allow any other religions to exist. Hindus working in the Gulf countries are not allowed to practice their religion in public. Saudi Arabia insists that India sends only a Muslim ambassador. Hindu Muslim unity by and large has generally been a matter of Hindus trying to please or accommodate Muslims. One cannot forget when Vajpayee was extending his hand for peace Musharraf was planning the Kargil insurgency.

Let us remind you, your own statement "I am a Muslim in a country called India .We"ve never been made to feel this is a Hindu country."

Can you find me a Hindu in Pakistan who can reciprocate that sentiment?

Some years ago, another Mr. Khan, first name Feroze, from your fraternity was banned from entering Pakistan for saying, "India is secular unlike Pakistan".

That is the basic difference of the land of "Hindu" India from the Islamic "pure land" of Pakistan.

So please do not ask us to love Pakistan.

Please do not lump the people of India and Pakistan together. We Indians are proud to preserve our separate identity.

And please do not insult the land that gave you your life, name and fame, by claiming that her worst enemy, who wants to break her into 1000 pieces, is a great neighbour.

Otherwise it would be sad if somebody accuses you of putting your religion ahead of your country.

Please give it a thought.

Regards,

Arindam Bandyopadhyay.



http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Open-letter-Mr-Shahrukh-Khan-SRK/blog-348.htm




A well written piece. I completely agree with the sentiments expressed by the blogger.

@sneha0601: What part you don't agree with? šŸ˜•

This is what I have been trying to say in other threads that when someone opposes Rarukh's good neigbour comments that doesn't imply that s/he supports Shiv Sena's goonda gardi. SS has been wrong and is wrong in doing what they do. They never have any constructive agenda and that's why people don't vote them. I don't support their goonda gardi but I don't support Rarukh's shameless comments either. He must look up in the dictionary may be for the meaning of a good neighbour before repeating that in future.




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Posted: 15 years ago
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One thing in the article the letter that struck me was his critique of SRK saying that when you go out of India there is no difference between Indians and Pakistanis.

I am not sure what SRK's intent was in that statement, but here is my perspective as someone born and brought up in India and living in the states. I think a large number of Indians, Pakistanis and other people from the subcontinent living abroad will testify that national original holds less water in a foreign land. This is not to say that an Indian abroad is any less Indian, in fact they are very much Indian, identify with India. However, when you are outside your country you realize that you have much more in common with each other than you are different.

An Indian standup once joked about receiving a racial slur in the UK 'Hey Paki go back to India where you came from'. Back home it was 'us' the Indians and 'them' the other countries. Once outside you realize that in these countries we all from the subcontinent are collectively 'us' to 'them' the white majority and other races.

You realize that you come from different countries, different ideologies, different religions, but you also realize that outside the subcontinent it really does not matter. We all look the same, we all dress the same, we all talk in funny accents, we all eat really spicy foods, have an affinity for ridiculously long cheesy movies and smell like curry. We bond over these similarities. We tend to stick together because even if our homes are different places, we nostalgically connect each other with home. There maybe and Indian program held at the University, but Pakistani students, Sri Lankan students even the Tibetans are singing, dancing, participating. You go to the Indian grocery, you go to the Indian movies, you go to the Indian restaurants – all desis are there and honestly you can't really tell who is who.

When you live in the world where you are all viewed and treated as the same minority, you come closer and realize that perhaps we are all not as different as we were raised to believe. Over here, we all are just desis. At a point you stop seeing people as Indian or Pakistani, you just start seeing desis – until every now and then you are served a reminder of the difference. And its not a bad thing being collectively desis, deep down we all love our homeland and our faithful to it, but there's no need to break ties that bind either, especially in a whole new world where its nice to have familiarity sticking together.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

One thing in the article the letter that struck me was his critique of SRK saying that when you go out of India there is no difference between Indians and Pakistanis.

I am not sure what SRK's intent was in that statement, but here is my perspective as someone born and brought up in India and living in the states. I think a large number of Indians, Pakistanis and other people from the subcontinent living abroad will testify that national original holds less water in a foreign land. This is not to say that an Indian abroad is any less Indian, in fact they are very much Indian, identify with India. However, when you are outside your country you realize that you have much more in common with each other than you are different.

An Indian standup once joked about receiving a racial slur in the UK 'Hey Paki go back to India where you came from'. Back home it was 'us' the Indians and 'them' the other countries. Once outside you realize that in these countries we all from the subcontinent are collectively 'us' to 'them' the white majority and other races.

You realize that you come from different countries, different ideologies, different religions, but you also realize that outside the subcontinent it really does not matter. We all look the same, we all dress the same, we all talk in funny accents, we all eat really spicy foods, have an affinity for ridiculously long cheesy movies and smell like curry. We bond over these similarities. We tend to stick together because even if our homes are different places, we nostalgically connect each other with home. There maybe and Indian program held at the University, but Pakistani students, Sri Lankan students even the Tibetans are singing, dancing, participating. You go to the Indian grocery, you go to the Indian movies, you go to the Indian restaurants ' all desis are there and honestly you can't really tell who is who.

When you live in the world where you are all viewed and treated as the same minority, you come closer and realize that perhaps we are all not as different as we were raised to believe. Over here, we all are just desis. At a point you stop seeing people as Indian or Pakistani, you just start seeing desis ' until every now and then you are served a reminder of the difference. And its not a bad thing being collectively desis, deep down we all love our homeland and our faithful to it, but there's no need to break ties that bind either, especially in a whole new world where its nice to have familiarity sticking together.

so true....I have so many good pakistani friends over here.......I am a hindu they are muslims...I am from India and they are from Pakistan and yet we bond together......our kids play together and have sleep overs and yes we are all desis.........we depend on each other....here in US most of us don't have our extended families....only friends are there and I am lucky to have some very good Indian and Pakistani friends and that is why I refuse to believe that every pakistani is a terrorist.....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: MithiBani

Wow!!! Awesome!! šŸ‘šŸ¼ So well written.

Would someone post the link to his twitter account?? šŸ˜›
I too want to know this....what is the reason for your preaching of love towards Pakistan?



I guess he wants to be their gen-next massiha. Mark my words you will see him now professing his love more and more for Pkland and religion, which he has been doing subtly even before. I don't give a damn if he says that he loves Pak and for him Pak is the greatest neighbour but don't try to give out an impression that India as a country believes the same because Indians know what it takes to have a rogue neighbour like Pakland.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bartz



I guess he wants to be their gen-next massiha. Mark my words you will see him now professing his love more and more for Pkland and religion, which he has been doing subtly even before. I don't give a damn if he says that he loves Pak and for him Pak is the greatest neighbour but don't try to give out an impression that India as a country believes the same because Indians know what it takes to have a rogue neighbour like Pakland.
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He's just trying to better the diplomatic ties between India and Pakistan. Is that hard to understand or follow or anything? It's the usual case of SRK-misunderstanding.
However, SRK should choose his words more carefully and not go all gung-ho about Pakistan. He should know when to set his limits, but apparently has gone beyond the limits. His words have made me wonder if he is devoid of brains. However, his intentions are good. So, why not guve him a break for once and forgive him. It's not like he's started the WW III or something. Also, I think he should issue a public apology.

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