Dont change yourself for anyone

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I loved that line from Swa to her father. Why should the bride's family change their identity for the groom's family. Why should all the demands of groom's need to be met.
Yes their culture needs to be respected, but that doesnt mean a girl's culture has to be neglected. It is better when both cultures are respected and ceremonies happen as per both cultures.

This is one of the key reason I had never liked changing my maiden name post marriage. Why should I strip my surname in official records. To whomever say it has to be like that this is what I ask

Do we say Mr and Mrs Ram or Ram and Sita or rather Siya Ram
Do we say Mr and Mrs Vishnu or we say Vishnu and Lakshmi or rather LakshmiNarayan
Similarly it is Mahadev and Parvati or rather Umashanker, Gowrishankar
It is Krishna and Rukmini, Krishna and Radha or Radhakrishna

Interestingly the joint names are used for men not women. So I say in the religion I believe even as back as Satya yuga women have independent identity. They are not linked to their husbands. So why should I do it.

In Ramayana throughout Sita is called Janakanandini and her other names are Janaki and Maithili. Janaki means daughter of Janaka and Maithili means Princess of Mithila.
Same with Panchali. She is called Drupad Kanya or Draupadi even post marriage.

Our epics dont make their leading ladies add their husbands name in the end, they dont change the identity of the woman, then from where did this culture came.

I always say name stripping or taking the identity of the husband's family doesnt belong to Sanathana dharma, so I wont follow it. 😆😆

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Posted: 9 years ago
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@shru absolutely right..👏

Why is it that the burden of name change is laid on the shoulders of women alone, when they get married or divorced?

Last month, divorced women in India must have been startled to read a news item in a leading English language daily newspaper. It stated that the Bombay High Court had ruled that divorced women could not use their former husbands' surnames. The "ruling", apparently, was in response to an appeal filed by a woman against a judgment in the Family Court in a case filed by her former husband. The judge had restrained the woman from using her former husband's name stating, "By using the ex-husband's name, or surname, there is always a possibility of people being misled that she is still the wife, when in fact she is not."

Did it in fact apply to all divorced women, as the story seemed to suggest, or was it just a judgment in a particular case? It was told that in fact the court had not given a "ruling" and that a single judge had merely upheld the judgment of the lower court in this particular matter. This did not mean that it applied to all divorced women. In fact, she pointed out, there could be no such ruling as people were entitled to take a name of their choice and could at anytime change their names simply by filing an affidavit.

Questioning a convention

The story, despite its inaccuracy, has triggered off a debate on whether women should change their names when they get married, and whether they should revert to their maiden names when they get divorced.

Last year, before the general election, actor Sanjay Dutt kicked off a similar controversy when he suggested that married women should adopt their husbands' surnames. He was clearly peeved that his sister, Congress MP Priya Dutt, continued to use her maiden name " which also established that her father was Sunil Dutt " instead of her married name. He was clearly not so worried about her violating a tradition as the political advantage she gained from maintaining her maiden name.

In India, not only are women automatically expected to adopt their husband's surname when they get married, but in some communities, as in Maharashtra, they are also expected to change their first names. As a result, once married, their identity changes completely. It is almost as if getting married also means wiping off your previous identity and completely subsuming yourself in one chosen by your husband and his family.

Politics of identity

Although the overwhelming majority of Indian women automatically follow the custom of adopting their husband's surname, increasingly some of them are asking why this should be so. What does the institution of marriage have to do with your name? Are you any less married if you adhere to the name you were given by your parents? Are you any less your husband's wife if your surname is that of your father? Is not love and understanding more important than unquestioned tradition? Should the choice not be left to the woman rather than being an imposition, one that she might not want?

Professional women, for instance, who marry after they have already established themselves, much prefer to stick to their maiden names. On the other hand, there are many women who marry young and get established in their professions after marriage. As a result, their professional identity is based on their married name, that is, if they have chosen to take their husband's surname. If such women get divorced, what sense does it make for them to revert to their maiden names? In other words, the issue is not so much whether women take their husband's surnames or not after marriage but that they should have the freedom to decide.

And why is it that the burden of name change is put on the shoulders of women alone? After women get married, if they choose or are compelled to adopt their husband's surname, they have to change all their names on their passports, bank accounts, driving licence, etc. It is not surprising then that only around two per cent of divorced women revert to their maiden names after divorce. This is not because they want to misuse their former position as being married to a particular person, or to appear to be married to him, but because it is just too much trouble. And in any case, they also want to remain connected to their children who have the same surname.

Perhaps in the long term, it would be simpler for women to hold on to their maiden names whether they marry or not, and whether they get divorced or remain married. This is not such a radical suggestion as it might sound. Even in very conservative societies, such as Iran for instance, women do not change their names when they get married.

Markers of belonging

In the past, the issue of surnames has often been subject of debate in many social movements. In the 1970s for instance, many young people who were part of the movement led by Jayaprakash Narayan, chose to drop their surnames because they felt that these identified them as belonging to a particular caste. As one of their principal struggles was against the institution of caste, they felt they should start the trend of dropping surnames altogether. When they got married, their names remained unchanged. Neither the man nor the woman had to worry about a surname. In South India in any case the issue of surnames often does not arise as people use initials.

Surnames are just an instrument for ascertaining family lineage in a patriarchal society. In modern societies, where marriages are registered and courts rule on divorces, why should the last name of a woman matter on issues of succession? Fortunately, some of the bureaucratic hurdles before married women maintaining their maiden names are now being removed and it is a little easier to get a passport, for instance, with your maiden name even if you are married. Schools in Maharashtra now accept the mother's name as the guardian of a child, something they did not do earlier where only the father's name could be entered.

Such changes in rules are important. But the controversy over surnames essentially illustrates the mindset that lays down that a woman's own identity must be submerged in that of her husband's once she marries. Women, married or unmarried, divorced or widowed, are equal human beings, with the same rights as men. Surely this should be reflected in the institution of marriage.

Edited by yawfeh - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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True Shruti & Gayu.

The entire episode yesterday was a pleasant one for a change. It did set itself up for a lot of the upcoming drama, and we can see how unknowingly Asad is become part of their plot.

Other than the sweet moments between SwaDarsh who BTW are acting exactly like how a newly engaged couple would do, the highlight of the episode yesterday was the conversation at maamu's place. How appa's character has evolved and become lovable from the obnoxious man that he was initially portraying to be. I actually like him a lot now. So simple, so innocent in many ways.

It was suggested my someone (maybe you only) yesterday that appa and amma may also die in the blast. As disheartening as it is, I am bracing myself for that impact, because it has always been shown that Swa shares a very special bond with maama and maami. If Asad will be gone, then appa and amma's character will also have to end, because Swa becomes the child that maamu and maami will loose. It kind of makes sense.

I don't think we will see many differences of opinion between SwaDarsh going forward. They will face everything together, and will come out victorious. But I cannot help but feel a sense of apprehension about Asad and her parents. How one innocently made incorrect choice is going to ruin the life of a young, bubbly, vivacious character. Nothing will ever be the same, for anyone.

Ironically, contrary to your title for yesterday's episode, everything will change post their wedding... but hopefully they will have the resilience and courage to save themselves and retain themselves through all the turmoil.
Edited by Soapoperasrfun - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I agree. this is one thing I never liked the notion that the girls family has to bow down to the boys family. Ramakrishnans can voice their choices as well- afterall, their daughter is getting married as well. I'm glad swadheenta pointed that out. more rasams mean more chances for suhasini to plot🥱 even today, the way she was calmly drinking water...another tamasha is on the way.
otherwise.. it is so sweet how the brothers and jaya are planning for the wedding. simmi still tries to gain some importance by suggesting her idea after jaya shares hers, but as usual suhasini turns it down. all this wouldn't happened if suhasini showed her a bit more respect and when simmi's heart condition comes to light, she will say her poor son was manipulated into this marriage.



Swadheenta and adarsh are adorable. A typical engaged couple who are in love. I'm especially happy for adarsh, he looked like a walking corpse during the time of his alliance with vanshika, but now he looks like he has won the world. this is how it should be...everyone deserves to happy for their wedding. too bad suhasini cannot see anything beyond her ego.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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I wonder if its mere a coincidence that Swa has been made a reason behind the revelation of Jaidev and Abhay respective married life 🤔 Its like Swa is acting like a source for Suh to look at her failures as a mother, irrespective of the fact if Suh acknowledges it or not. In fact, it adds to her animosity towards Swa.

Also, it may be another chance for Swa to understand Suh equation with her respective sons. Adarsh has painted a rosy picture of Suh as a mother and MIL but she may end up seeing another side to it.


I feel that Swa doesnt believe Adarsh in saying that she is actually welcomed in Adarsh family. She had a thinking look as Adarsh was assuring her. Possibly its her instincts that is holding her back to express her doubts over Adarsh confidence. She may still be not fully convinced with Suh non-involvement.

I would wish if Adarsh do more than verbal assurance to make her feel welcomed in his family since the way things have gone so far, any normal person can sense something wrong.
Edited by Manonidz - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Soapoperasrfun

True Shruti & Gayu.


The entire episode yesterday was a pleasant one for a change. It did set itself up for a lot of the upcoming drama, and we can see how unknowingly Asad is become part of their plot.

Other than the sweet moments between SwaDarsh who BTW are acting exactly like how a newly engaged couple would do, the highlight of the episode yesterday was the conversation at maamu's place. How appa's character has evolved and become lovable from the obnoxious man that he was initially portraying to be. I actually like him a lot now. So simple, so innocent in many ways.

It was suggested my someone (maybe you only) yesterday that appa and amma may also die in the blast. As disheartening as it is, I am bracing myself for that impact, because it has always been shown that Swa shares a very special bond with maama and maami. If Asad will be gone, then appa and amma's character will also have to end, because Swa becomes the child that maamu and maami will loose. It kind of makes sense.

I don't think we will see many differences of opinion between SwaDarsh going forward. They will face everything together, and will come out victorious. But I cannot help but feel a sense of apprehension about Asad and her parents. How one innocently made incorrect choice is going to ruin the life of a young, bubbly, vivacious character. Nothing will ever be the same, for anyone.

Ironically, contrary to your title for yesterday's episode, everything will change post their wedding... but hopefully they will have the resilience and courage to save themselves and retain themselves through all the turmoil.


Pree you are absolutely right!!! I dont know why that right now for small issues these both swadarsh are fighting but in case of some sensitive issue what will happen is my doubt!!!😭
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Shruti
I understand your reference to the Indian epics but adding the surname of your husband is not an Indian concept to begin it. Its very much English and was added to the Indian culture during the colonial era. Earlier woman were referred to as ' Devi' or any other similar name instead of her husband's surname.

Although the concept looks very odd in today's world but it was brought into practice in absence of a proper legal way of marriage. Every culture had its own way of getting married and it lacked uniformity.Most of the women of that time were unemployed and were dependent upon the men for the same. In this regard, transfer of property in case of death or other legal process and to ensure uniform code to solve disputes over marital issues this surname system was ensured in the Indian system.

Surname thing slowly penetrated our culture and each caste chose its own way to decide its surname. Some added their village name as their name, some their work and some added their gotra to signify their upper caste status. Some even add their father's name as the surname.Slowly it became a very important thing.

In today's world, surname is not necessary because every marriage whatsoever needs to be registered anyways. Changing surname after marriage is in fact trouble some because you need to change a hell lot of documents thereafter. Therefore, most of the women like you and me prefer to keep their maiden name and its absolutely fine although the Tv shows will tell you otherwise.

You made a really great point here so just thought of expanding it a little furether.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thanks Gayatri and dey. Yes dey what I wanted to highlight to many people is the same thing you told.
When people talk to me about sanskaar I want to tell them this is not our sanskaar, as rightly said by you it came from outside.
In our culture an unmarried woman was called Devi and a married one most often as Mata. Why should we take and retain something that came from outside that spells gender inequality, while our culture has always given gender equality.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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You have snatched the words from my mouth.

I so so wanted to raise the same points but wasn't sure the forum would welcome it. I liked Swa telling her father not to change -- he is clearly the better parent in every aspect and he should be cherished and respected.

I also wanted to know why Swa can't be Ms. Ramakrishnan post marriage. Being Mrs Sinha takes away from her Tamil identity and is also like letting down her father who raised her till now. Why do the Sinhas become more important than her own father?

In my family, all the women have kept their maiden names and there has been no problem because of this. The only one who changed her sur name is a French entrant to the family. The different sur names reflect the lovely diversity within the family and stand as a testimony to the co-existence of multiple cultures.

But our TV soaps are still quite regressive. I hope Swa doesn't wear dangling mangalsutra and bright sindoor a la Ekta heroines. Her MIL is refreshingly different even if only sartorially and I find it a relief not have to keep looking at multiple sparkling bindis. Villains can be understated too. Indeed they are so in real life.
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