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Posted: 16 years ago
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It will be just like Sound of Music . Remember how confused Maria was about her commitment to God and her feelings for the Colonel ? It took Mother Superior , the head of the convent to explain to her that for some , the path to God is not running away from the commitments of the heart but staying in the world and being true to them by giving them ur hundred percent . In the same way , the Guru of the ashram will tell Radhika one day after knowing the full story , that what she is doing is running away , not exactly what Kanha likes ! One has to face Life's battle and fight it , thats the Geeta for u . In the very same Geeta , Kanha advocates strictly that renouncing the world and taking sanyas is not for people who run away from lifes problems or who dont want the many responsibilities of a householder . A true urge to seek God manifests like a self sprouted seed in one's hearts and only then one starts seeking him by renouncing this world has unreal . What Radhika is doing is pure running away and not facing her own feelings . I wont blame her though..........the society she lives in is very critical and she is thoroughly scared , the poor gal . Feel a bit sorry for her too .
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Blokes, I'm beginning to think (in fact already have for quite some time) that if there's nothing we gain from CB(other than so-called entertainment), one thing we've all come away with, and will continue to hopefully, is discovering ~ not only our writing ability (esp yours and several others), but the knowledge we're exchanging and the things we're learning on this thread and dozens and dozens preceding yours and perhaps hundreds that will follow yours !!!
I mean, hats off to you !! You are obviously not only an excellent writer, but your in-depth knowledge on this topic (and several others) is truly amazing and commendable !!! Since Hindi and Sanskrit were two of my strong points in high school and college days (although not necessarily the technical knowledge as you do), good that I have some idea as far as the difference and/or similarity between "jogan" and "sevika". So yesterday, when the mention was made of both the words by maharishi and the warishtha sadasya (senior member) , there was no question in my mind as to what they were talking about. But your explanation and perspective leave no doubt in understanding them by lot of viewers and friends...
Everyone's comments, opinions, queries, are all so fascinating, not only in terms of this new "jogan" phase of Radhika, but even in bigger scheme of things and the bigger picture.
As you and others have expressed, there's a whole new world out there waiting to be discovered and excavated, not just for Radhika, but as you replied to jp, even for Dev... He needs to understand, maybe he does to an extent, the spiritual bond that he shares with Rads, while she will gain access to deeper realities of life, totally different from the kind of prisoner's life she led, constantly ostracized, rebuked, ridiculed by the fat witch-amma and maa, albeit a softer and "quiet" version of amma. If Dev can hold kanha locket tightly in his fist and "speak" to his Radhika from afar ~ to stand up for herself, he can certainly know to do the same for himself as well, be that in front of vivek, daadi, the society, the world, instead of his current weak, gullible, rona dhona, ishq mein mara huya dejected lover persona. And I couldn't agree more with your comments, since they echo my own on another forum, that Dev has to come clean and stop living in a marriage that was doomed even before it began.....so that the question of consummating this failed marriage doesn't even arise....
I specially like your analogy of the song from "Jhanak.... Baje".... Jo tum todo piya main nahin todu re.... on to ~ tum bhaye moti prabhuji, hum bhaye dhaga... tum bhaye sona (gold), hum bhaye suhaga ~ which basically means, sone pe suhaga or "icing on the cake" ~ dictionary meaning ~ any unexpected extra or bonus ~ on to "baai meera ke prabhu, brij ke baasi, on to ~ tum mere thakur, main tori daasi, main tori daasi.... jo tum todo... etc. This is one of my most fav songs coz of the deep, spiritual meaning it conveys ~ had learned some classical music back home as music is a passion my entire family shares, as if we were all born with this passion !!
While I don't know the inside details of 10- or 40-day vipaasana, i.e. insight into the nature of reality ~ couldn't help but mention it here coz of your thread, and if it indeed discusses similar ideology as your post, again in the context of CB... Would really appreciate it if you can start that topic in case you know about it as well....
Meghna, as far as the "dead end" you're taking about, cynic had clarified it to me in my orig post "Bet munshiji...... granddad", and I liked the phrase he had used that there's an "escape clause" in munshiji's kathin ashram rules, as also explained here by ibici that radhika will never be allowed to return to ashram if she ever wants to enter the sansaarik moh maya, etc. (The "escape clause" completely escaped my attention, haha !!)
Am very impressed with jasw's input / insight that while Rads has always followed her bhakti marg, she lacks the gyan to become a karma yogi, and then blossom with Dev to exercise raj yoga.... Amazing analysis, Jasw !!
I would do grave injustice to myself on this thread if I did not talk about koolsadhu's example of the movie Sound of Music !! Well, why ?? Because it happens to be one of my most fav movies of all time, preceded by Dr. Zhivago, Ben-Hur, and followed by ~ To Sir With Love, Ten Commandments, Casablanca, GWTW, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, and more recently Scent of a Woman, Mr. Holland's Opus, Good Will Hunting, I mean ~ classic movies of such high calibre....
Now, Maria i.e Rads (Julie Andrews who btw just turned 69 last week !!) and Capt Von Trapp ie Dev, and as you said, Reverend Mother, i.e. maharishi (or is it munshiji ?) are 3 characters of CB, and how Reverend Mother glorifies (rem ? the song Climb Every Mountain !) the fact that convent (ashram) is not a place or refuge to hide just so you can get away from your sansaarik duties.... And as in Geeta, krishna (kanha of course) never professes not to face life's struggles, or take sanyas because you cannot or dont want to take the responsibilities of a grahastha (householder). Yes, I dont blame radhika either.... After all, although different from Maria, Rads upbringing and ganda khoon are solely responsible for turning her into .... Radhika...
Well, just felt compelled to put my 2c !, what say ?!
(Disclaimer: please pard any spelling, grammatical, etc. errors !!!! 😃 )
~ P ~
Life is beautiful !!! (my private logo, if you will...)
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Posted: 16 years ago
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radev24 , benhur , ten commandments , to sir with love r my favorites too . So much i love them that it came as a pleasant surprise to see their names taken like this . 😊
you write so well , that I don't know what ur profession is but u shud be a columnist or sumthing . Blokes too . Actually , I noted that all in this particular thread have a writing ability . That goes for u too pretty woman and Cynic !
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Koolsadhu, hey thanks for the compliment ! You must be a "cool sadhu" to even think of such a cool name !!
Anyhoo, you're forgetting one more person. i.e., yourself, while complimenting everyone else ! Ye bhi ek tarah ki mahaanata (greatness) hai, being so modest and all !! BTW, On this particular thread, more so on others perhaps, I instantly noticed that each poster has the writing skills and prowess (me, I like to write only when in "mood", right frame of mind, kind of a side habby, and obviously when the topic is so stirring, thought-provoking.... thanks to blokes again for that !! )....
Speaking of movies, me and my entire family, we're all movie buffs with one big underlying factor.... they have to be classics, epics.... so I guess you have the same bent of mind, inclination. My list is much much longer... I just listed a few most fav's.... (I'm a big fan of all Sidney Poitier movies, coz 99% of them are classics....they convey a strong message... in the heat of the night, lilies of the field, a patch of blue, 2 more already listed in my first post, and each one of them won best movie oscars !!)
Btw, speaking of modesty, a very well known new age, self-improvement author Dr Caroline Myss speaks vehemently in almost all her books, audio or otherwise, that it's perfectly alright to BRAG about yourself openly when you know 100% without the shadow of a doubt that you are good at this or that.... be that about writing skills, your profession, a good parent, literally anything... instead of being bashful or shy about it... We're raised to believe that it's a sign of conceipt, ghamand, abhimaan, egomania, etc. etc. (Just wanted to plug that in...)
Thanks again !!
~ Prem (Ms. !) ~
Life is beautiful !!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

radev24

you write so well , that I don't know what ur profession is but u shud be a columnist or sumthing . Blokes too . Actually , I noted that all in this particular thread have a writing ability . That goes for u too pretty woman....



Amen to that....radev24 and blokes are not just good writers, their depth of knowledge is impressive. You are no less, koolsadhu, as is prettywoman.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

It will be just like Sound of Music . Remember how confused Maria was about her commitment to God and her feelings for the Colonel ? It took Mother Superior , the head of the convent to explain to her that for some , the path to God is not running away from the commitments of the heart but staying in the world and being true to them by giving them ur hundred percent . In the same way , the Guru of the ashram will tell Radhika one day after knowing the full story , that what she is doing is running away , not exactly what Kanha likes ! One has to face Life's battle and fight it , thats the Geeta for u . In the very same Geeta , Kanha advocates strictly that renouncing the world and taking sanyas is not for people who run away from lifes problems or who dont want the many responsibilities of a householder . A true urge to seek God manifests like a self sprouted seed in one's hearts and only then one starts seeking him by renouncing this world has unreal . What Radhika is doing is pure running away and not facing her own feelings . I wont blame her though..........the society she lives in is very critical and she is thoroughly scared , the poor gal . Feel a bit sorry for her too .

Beautifully put, Kools. I hope the creatives are striving for just that gyan for rads- she could certainly use some after the toofans of samsara she has faced, emotionally speaking. Ashrams give you some rest (for the mind), but should certainly not be used to "hide" from the world. Renouncing the world again does not mean drpping everything and running. whether rads likes it or not, whether it was a "conspiracy of events" or not, she is wedded to Dev and there is no running away from that truth. She has to do her "dharma" as being his wife, 100% not when it suits her (for pujas and diyas only- it also involves commiting to a physical relationship as well as an emotional one where she will be the support for him and he, hers- Dharmapati, sahadharmachari (doing all the prescribed dharmic rites/ rituals for the well being of the world especially as Raj prohit/prohitain).
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Radev24- thank u dear. U r no less of a writer- yes, we are all so blessed in having more than meaningful discussions on a show that sometimes shows lack of reason or basic humanity (too much cruelty- as I think it was PW who calls it emotional athyachar!).

Yes, Sound of Music is one of all time favs and almost all the films on your list are on mine too including some wonderful films in Tamil (most Balachander films).

Yes, the Meera bhajan Jo tum todo piya is one of my fav bhajans too- I sing too and I learned the version sung by Vani Jayram in the film Meera *ing Hema Malini as Meera. It is in raag Yaman and the "yearning" element is complete. almost every Meera bhajan is haunting in her love for her Giridhar gopaal/ brij ke vasi taakur ji. Do check out the amazing set of Meera bhajans sung by Kishori Amonkar (if u already haven't). It is an old recording, but I think it is now available in CD too. There is a haunting bhajan that goes like this: Piya bin soona cheji maro des, aisa hai koi peeya ko milave, tan man karo sab ki bes.

If I start on Meera, I could spend days just singing all the bhajans I know and getting all teary eyed about them! They are truly haunting in their love for the divine. That is why I was sort of saddened by the way the creatives were "using" Meera imagery for Rad. Rads is no Meera- she is Maria (LOL!)
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Ok- Kools, Rad24 we have certainly established a mutual admiration society for all the amazing writers on this forum! And it is just not Myss who talks of being roundof your talens, once we understand that we have been given talents to serve this world, we will not have any kind of "shame" or shyness in acknowledging them. Be it singing and bringing some joy to the listener (it could be ourselves in a dull mood) or dancing like the dervishes for no reason but just that (the way Rads did in the raas lila and got our dev to fall for her!) or cooking (which our rads again does very well) and finding pleasure in giving joy to the "bhokta".

Given the Indian context, psychiatrists are out, so we need to rely on sandhu/ sant knowledge of understanding how the mind operates to get rads out of her inferiority about her being a "karamjali/ manhoos/" whatever epithet amma is all too free using.

Coming to the point about Vipasana or any other form of meditation, it is the art of doing nothing! The mind is very cunning. Its nature is to swing from the past to the future and rarely sit in the present. In dev's case it is locked away in the past and for rads locked in to the "what ifs" of the future (what if the truth about the wedding comes out, what if Dev does not accept vish etc.). Neither one is focussing on the present. They certainly need to take the Art of Living course!LOL!

Observing the mind itself is like watching several soaps and serials at the same time. But with our sadhana, if we can "slow it" down, we find the same mind becoming extremely creative and alert and supports an inner joy that cannot be described- just experienced.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheCynic

<br><br>Amen to that....radev24 and blokes are not just good writers, their depth of knowledge is impressive. You are no less, koolsadhu, as is prettywoman.<br>

Thank u Cynic and u can add yourself to that list too. Your pithy observations reflect the "sutric" (sutras or threads or aphorisms) ways of the ascetic. brief and to the point.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Wow, blokes, you are amazing even in your genuine compliments !!!
Yeah, I'm also used to saying it among my non-CB friends for a long time, but only in abbreviated form ~ here goes... MAS - for mutual admiration society !!!
Before I say anything else, I'm most pleasantly surprised about something you've talked about on 1st and 4th page .. about living in the present moment.... For years now I have been on a crusade mission advocating Eckhart Tolle's first book "Power of Now", which obviously discusses, explains, describes ... what it means to "live in the present moment".... And so therefore, in the CB context, what does that mean, as well as living in the past and future.... These are just so fascinating topics and actually harsh realities of our lives (and therefore RaDev as well).....
So, first things first ~ sorry, have to disagree with you slightly.... Granted that Rads can't run away from the truth as Dev's patni and RPurohitain, the circumstances as we know do not allow her to perform her patni dharma.... Why coz no one has "witnessed" the rituals that solidify this bandhan. Na hi samaaj, na hi babuji, na hi daadi, nobody .... except the ones who "know" the truth, but are living a lie by concealing that truth from one and all. We know why amma /maa/vish are doing this, no need to go into details. Forum has been inundated with tons of posts with glaring scrutiny..... but does it matter to creatives how cruel and sinful their reasons are ??... obviously not....
Long story short... all l can say, humbly, is that the truth will be revealed, say 2 years from now (coz the show is going to teach us how to be patient, which is an admirable virtue anyway !!).... What remains to be seen is who and how it will be revealed... (had to go away for 2-3 hrs ... to finish some unfinished business !!!! 😲 ) Prediction... Ye tab hoga when Rads has also, coincidentally, come face to face with "the" truth in front of the entire world, has become (due to exposure to ashram life) equipped to break away from societal shackles, from her own misconcptions, complexes, misguided beliefs, due to her so-called ganda khoon.....
On a much lighter note, yeah, I know about Kishori Amonkar, but only coz of one solo title song she sang that I know of.... from the movie "Geet gaya pattharon ne"..... highly classical song, dont know the raag.... Anyhoo, going to get the meera bhajans you mention... the bhojpuri lyrics (I think) seem very lilting... Btw, the lyrics remind me of a very old movie song sung by Manna Dey and Lata (movie name escapes me), and the words are ..... pee bin soonaji, patjhad jaisa jeevan mera (my life is barren like patjhad (English ? to do with Fall season ?!) without my husband/lover, so beautiful !!!)
Hey thanks for enlightening me/us briefly re vipassana... It's just that some of my friends (again non-CB) have been contemplating learning it.... that's why I asked.....
~ P ~
Life is beautiful !!!

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