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Posted: 14 years ago
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Like a lot of you, I was upset with the Friday episode - not only with why dev lied but with how the episode was presented

I watch the show bcos I adore the leads .. but along the way, in cb2, i also love the characters of rads and dev. In order to make sense of what they showed on friday, i tried to list the reasons why dev lied

1. On thursday, they showed dev looking every inch a leader ... there was very little of lover boy dev - he did look and act like a RP ... he was also thinking of a way of protecting everyone involved ...so was he, by doing this, protecting Rads (bcos the instant reaction of the crowd would not be in favor of her); also protecting barkha (she had lied and cheated to get them married, she is already considered married to him - so he is basically taking responsibility and ownership for that lie by lying himself - when the truth comes out, he will be blamed and not her. He did not tell barkha bcos she would not agree to this) ; also protecting his leech family and protecting RP

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2. he just lost his grandfather who, before dying, told him to marry barkha and leave rads ... this is a man he trusts and reveres; and no one around him is supportive of his decision; the only person he can turn to is rads and she is also not supportive ... so he panics at the last minute; he also does not have any positive role models in his life - in this case, they should show him realizing the error of his ways over the next few weeks ... and correcting the situation ... or for rads to realize and support him in telling the truth.

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3. this is the cvs way of saying the leads are mahan 😕

4. someone running the show thinks the leads are secondary to the show and that they can be brought down whenever they want - maybe this would pave the way for low trps and some other show to be moved into this time slot 😡

5. They show radev behaving contrary to what people expect them to - hoping to show spikes in short term TRPs


For me, 2 seems the most logical; 1 is also possible though that makes it appear as if dev is almost god like and he is only a 23 year old kid who has been raised in a highly dysfunctional family; hope it is not 3 or 4; could very well be 5 too ... thoughts ????
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Posted: 14 years ago
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For Friday's episode I feel that Dev did panic at the last minute because the pressure was too great and without support from anyone he was afraid that he would lose the RP title not for himself but for the family. Hence he took Barkha's name so no 2 fits.
But sometime I also feel that no 3 or 5 are used as well for some episodes.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Rajsri nice thoughts and for me 2 and 4 seems to be plausible as somehow I feel Dev does not want to loose the only family Radhika that he has and wants to protect her

I also the Ph and Cvs think this way they can see the show goes off air fast and the popularity of the lead actors will slowly reduce.😡 They feel like demi Gods feeling they can make or break people.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: rajsri

Like a lot of you, I was upset with the Friday episode - not only with why dev lied but with how the episode was presented

I watch the show bcos I adore the leads .. but along the way, in cb2, i also love the characters of rads and dev. In order to make sense of what they showed on friday, i tried to list the reasons why dev lied

1. On thursday, they showed dev looking every inch a leader ... there was very little of lover boy dev - he did look and act like a RP ... he was also thinking of a way of protecting everyone involved ...so was he, by doing this, protecting Rads (bcos the instant reaction of the crowd would not be in favor of her); also protecting barkha (she had lied and cheated to get them married, she is already considered married to him - so he is basically taking responsibility and ownership for that lie by lying himself - when the truth comes out, he will be blamed and not her. He did not tell barkha bcos she would not agree to this) ; also protecting his leech family and protecting RP

or

2. he just lost his grandfather who, before dying, told him to marry barkha and leave rads ... this is a man he trusts and reveres; and no one around him is supportive of his decision; the only person he can turn to is rads and she is also not supportive ... so he panics at the last minute; he also does not have any positive role models in his life - in this case, they should show him realizing the error of his ways over the next few weeks ... and correcting the situation ... or for rads to realize and support him in telling the truth.

or

3. this is the cvs way of saying the leads are mahan 😕

4. someone running the show thinks the leads are secondary to the show and that they can be brought down whenever they want - maybe this would pave the way for low trps and some other show to be moved into this time slot 😡

5. They show radev behaving contrary to what people expect them to - hoping to show spikes in short term TRPs


For me, 2 seems the most logical; 1 is also possible though that makes it appear as if dev is almost god like and he is only a 23 year old kid who has been raised in a highly dysfunctional family; hope it is not 3 or 4; could very well be 5 too ... thoughts ????

Rajsri, very interesting thoughts.
Before going into the logical aspect, let me go down to point 4 and 5. The channel may have succeeded in spiking the short term TRPS by giving a positive precap on thursday and also showing the growth of Dev in this direction. After the episode it is left to be seen if this exercise was effective or not. It goes down to the next point which is 4. Most of us here are Avina fans and will see for them till the very end. The audience can clearly distinguish whether they are Avina fans or Radev fans or still better they know Avina are putting life into the role of Radev. They cannot break Avina with any stupid tracks and use it asareason to close the show. That is a huge risk for the channel and PH and it also helps the audience to decide whether we would want to stay and support the channel or not.
Coming to the logical aspects it looks like the first option has been exercised. Dev has taken care of everybody and has opened himself for the blame game. He has taken care of the promise given by Radhika, has done what his dada wanted him to do, protected Barkha as that is what the society thinks and does not want to expose her lies, wanted to do what chotima and daima have been asking of him so that Rohan and his lies are protected, in the end he will be ridiculed in the name of a person who follows dharm.
Having done the first part, he may now show that he knew what was right and wrong. He had to take a call and true to his character he thought of everyone except himself here which is the highlighting attribute of Dev. He has the choice of correcting his mistakes and become a true leader or accept himself as incapable and go for punishment from the mahants. In both the scenarios he will endear himself to the society. For me either of the solutions is okay as he is 23 and is bound to make mistakes, nothing wrong in accepting the same and correcting it. I definitely would not want to see him as a mahaan. The realisation should be to choose the path of truth that one perceives and feels than to follow that which has been taught or told. He can answer as to why he chose a particular decision.
MY 2 cents.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Rajsri one of my question in my post on wednesday was that how can Dev do justice to both Radhika and Barkha and also maintain his duty to society. I asked that question based on what Dev told during immersing dada's ashes that no injustice should happen at his hands and also because he was slowly realising how much the society was expecting him to lead. Now him telling the truth would have meant him leaving RP, Radhika being ridiculed and him standing by her but Barkha would have been ridiculed for orchestering the marriage on the sly. Based on my experience one cannot do everything at the same time, one has to prioritise and did Dev give priority to society first? My main question regarding society is that has Dev and or Radhika realised that the Mahants and mathadhessh are all corrupt, that without an able leader everything will fall apart, there will be misuse of money and if one has to prioritise then society has to come first. This same mathadhessh did not question dada when the Chaya's story came out. Dada broke all rules of society and also went against religeon to do what he did but none of the Mahants questioned him, infact the mathadesh praised him! So I have doubts about their so called righteous behavior. Radhika's prayers on wednesday also had a dialogue that her marriage is not important and nor is her promise to dada what is important is the society gets a leader...so thats why I am wondering about Radhika too. Similar to Dev accepting everything on himself Radhika is also accepting it on herself...she is the one who applied sindoor to Barkha, so when the time comes for the
question to arise, she will be the one to be blamed for applying the sindoor. So along with Dev, Radhika will also be blamed.
In one way all of them pay for their past deeds regarding playing with societies norms and have to pay back to the same society, Radhika came in as a fake wife of Rohan so that she can prove her innocence to her KK and once Rohan becomes ok, KK accepts her as his wife...she will get that but since she went against society she will not get for the time being her recognition as Dev's wife in society. Dev, because he let an unmarried girl come in as a fake wife due to his obligation and he behaved badly with her too and now is the time for him to pay back for that. Barkha she railroaded her way through the second marriage, played with everyone and got this marriage done and left it on Dev to pick up the pieces...why? Did she ask Dev's permission before she said yes to dada. As far as I can remember her converstaion with Dev happened just a night before the wedding. One cannot play with fire and not get singed. Barkha becomes fiery in the privacy of home but in front of others becomes meek, she had ample oppurtuinity to tell everyone what had happened but she kept quiet...so could have been owned up to what she had done and bravely accept whatever she had to face for her actions but she chose to remain quiet and was expecting Dev to pick up the pieces...so this is her payment for the time being.
Now the main problem here is that for the audience to accept point one or what I have explained earlier they have to show monologues of Dev or Dev explaining to either the family or Mansa that this is the reason why he did it. Also explanation from Radhika as monologues. Without the monologue and no explanation from the creatives, it will be very difficult for the general audience who do not come to IF to think about point 1 (the general audience do not have time to analyse the characters as we do). So without the monologue I will go with point two (seeing from a general audince point of view) that he is grief stricken, looking for an emotional anchor that is Radhika for him and in panic he did a mistake (point2). Point 3 regarding Mahaan, they have done that repeatedly in CB1 (not comparing the shows but giving an explanation) that every action of Radhika was explained as Mahaan when Radhika was never mahaan, she was a confused, obligated young girl who did mistakes because of her confused mind. Here too they might show that all three are mahaan...
Now the fourth point, they are editing out RaDev, Radhika's or Dev's scenes but are very meticulous regarding Barkhas monologues, her explanations, her mother's explanations...so basically not paying attention to the actuall leads...so what does this show? Whom do they think is important...RaDev or Barkha? If audience loose connection with RaDev what will happen to the show? Even on friday they made Radhika look demented, Dev telling a lie and Barkha sitting there with scared looks...so without any explanation for the leads actions, which character will get sympathy here? As for your point 5they are hungry forTRP's so that might happen.
PS- Dev could have told the truth and stood by Radhika, they would have lost the RP and Barkha would have also faced everything...the makers are looking for masala and drama...is there any massala or melodrama that zee likes projecting in this option? (Personally I would have preffered this option)
What put me off on friday was the way the episode was presented and their convoluted way of using people's faith in God and their ridiculing the audience's faith in Kanha to justify their scenes and tracks. I was expecting this from them so wasnot surprised when I saw it.
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Rajsri,

Just based on the interpretation (in absence of any dialogues given to Dev and Radhika as was done on Friday and would probably be done today too), I would go with your point 2). I am taking it as a momentary weakness on Dev's part because he is at a low point without any moral support. His remaining emotional anchor Radhika is herself lost in her own guilt and promise as well as fear of Dev losing his status in the society.

Based on the interpretation of creatives' actions since last one month, 4) is more likely. All of important scenes of Dev and Radhika have either been skipped or edited. The scenes that would demonstrate their love for each other, represent disillusionment on Dev's part about the selfishness of his family or how they both take drastic actions to protect each other are always edited. Barkha on the other hand has always been given scenes that present her in a sympathetic manner where she is shown justifying her actions. Never mind that her actions are opposite to that where she is outspoken in front of the family and meek outside where it matters. Or that she is psychotic enough and unethical enough to kidnap a sick person and deprive him of his rights to seek forgiveness from his dying grandfather. So your point 4) seems to that at least for last one month.


If I take the CB1 and CB2 combined, 3) and 5) may also be the reasons. They never gave any dialogues to Radhika or Dev where they talked about their realization that Radhika coming in as a fake wife was a mistake or Radhika's part. Initially they showed Dev having a monologue where he was shown to realize that Radhika took that action because of him.

Of course he was given one line for that and there was any conversation between him and Radhika about his own culpability. So they do want to show Dev and Radhika as Maahan where they are just humans. Radhika can still be a devotee of Kanha and yet can make mistakes because she is human, young and have very little guidance. Even Mansa gives deference to her decisions and goes with her. Dev too makes mistakes because he has been brought up in this crazy family where he was only given love by Dada whose definition of love was convoluted to put it mildly. His mentor - Dai is one cold person who took care of him physically (not even that always) and kept him starved of any emotional comfort. Radhika is the only one who has provided him that and he is clinging onto her lest he loses her. As he has been shown saying, Radhika has become his identity and he is lost without her.

But according to creatives definition and lines given to various characters, Radhika came as a fake wife for the welfare of the family (what nonsense). 5) is plausible because they tried this kind of gimmick in CB1 too where they tried to show ONS or when they killed Dev. The opposite happened as the ratings plummated but did the channel learn. No...it is obvious by their falling ranking too.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Radhika can still be a devotee of Kanha and yet can make mistakes because she is human, young and have very little guidance. Even Mansa gives deference to her decisions and goes with her. Dev too makes mistakes because he has been brought up in this crazy family where he was only given love by Dada whose definition of love was convoluted to put it mildly. His mentor - Dai is one cold person who took care of him physically (not even that always) and kept him starved of any emotional comfort. Radhika is the only one who has provided him that and he is clinging onto her lest he loses her. As he has been shown saying, Radhika has become his identity and he is lost without her.

Angie this is how I see Radhika and Dev at this point, based on what has been shown...for me being a devotee does not mean that one becomes perfect and does not make any mistakes...for that one needs a wise guide, here Radhika does not have any wise person by her side who can show her what to do. Mansaram cannot because he places Radhika above him. But I am waiting for Mansarams reaction to this fiasco...will he accept it just because Radhika told him or will be become disillusioned with Dev. Also waiting whether there will be a face off between Mansaram and Barkhas mother. Dev has been brought up in a dysfuntional family and it is natural that he is clinging to his only emotional support-Radhika...so until they show monologues or explanations from Dev and Radhika, this is what I am accepting as their charatcerisation at this point.
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Originally posted by: misti73

Angie this is how I see Radhika and Dev at this point, based on what has been shown...for me being a devotee does not mean that one becomes perfect and does not make any mistakes...for that one needs a wise guide, here Radhika does not have any wise person by her side who can show her what to do. Mansaram cannot because he places Radhika above him. But I am waiting for Mansarams reaction to this fiasco...will he accept it just because Radhika told him or will be become disillusioned with Dev. Also waiting whether there will be a face off between Mansaram and Barkhas mother. Dev has been brought up in a dysfuntional family and it is natural that he is clinging to his only emotional support-Radhika...so until they show monologues or explanations from Dev and Radhika, this is what I am accepting as their charatcerisation at this point.

Initially, the episode upset me a lot because of what they were showing until Thursday. Somehow, I started getting a feeling that they have changed their mind about the promo or at least it would be shown in a different way. I am still upset with how they showed it by making Dev and Radhika look weak and opportunitic rather than human or Dev a leader; Barkha was shown as a helpless victim of Dev and Radhika's weaknesses. But viewers won't accept Barkha as that based on what has been shown so far.
But after I got over my fury, I interpreted it this way. I do want to see Mansa's disillusionment with Dev because based on Friday's episode, he was hoping that Dev would do right by Radhika. I do want to see a scene where Mansa wants to take away Radhika from Dev because his family has taken everything from Radhika and has shown her no compassion or regards. I want Dev to apologize to Mansa (this is the second time he wronged Radhika) and convince him that he would take best care of Radhika and make sure that he gets her rights back one day.

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