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Hey guys, Lola and I were talking and I realized I didn't know Nachiketa's story...so I looked it up 😊 And now I'm posting it here!
Here is the link to the page where I found it from
It's a really good website, it has a lot of good Hindu moralistic stories, both in English and Telugu.
Here you go! 😃 Feel free to discuss it.

Nachiketa's Pitruvaakya paripaalana

Once upon a time there lived a braahmana named Vajashrava (Uddaalaka), who wished to accumulate punyam by performing a great yagnyam. The yagnyam was duly performed, but when the time for the daanams came, Vajashrava kept all the healthy cows for himself and gave away only those that were old and infirm. His son, Nachiketa, who was observing this, became very sad. He wanted his father to get the full phalitham for the yagnyam. He knew from shaastras that one must always give away things that are good, which will help others and the ones most liked by the donor. He went to his father and with great humility said thus: "O Father! Why are you donating only old cows that cannot give milk and cannot help the daana-grahitas? As you know, such an act is a great paapam. Your intent was to accumulate punyam. These gifts will have the opposite effect. Please donate your best of the cows".

Vajashrava became angry. He said, "Son, You are not yet of an age when you can understand the ways of the world. If I donate all our good cattle, how will we live?" Nachiketa was silent for a while, for he had been brought up to give respect to his parents and elders. At last he said to his father, "O Father! The shaastras say that one's child is the greatest wealth for him, hence give away me to somebody in order to fulfill the daanams in the yagnyam". Vajashrava, who was busy with the yagnyam did not pay any attention to his son and on being repeatedly questioned by Nachiketa, out of sheer exasperation, Vajashrava shouted: "I hereby gift you to Yama".

Nachiketa immediately started for Yamaloka, in order to make his father's words true. He crossed the Vaitarani nadi, which even great aatmas who did a lot of punya also, find it difficult to cross! He reaches the dwaaras of Yamaloka and on knowing that Yamadharmaraaja was not in Yamaloka then, waited patiently for his arrival. The small boy waited near the dwaaram for three days without any food and water. Yamadharmaraaja returned on the fourth day and saw little Nachiketa at his doorstep. He felt pained for keeping an Atithi, that too a braahmana and that too a baalaka waiting without welcoming him, without food and water. Obviously Yamadharmaraaja knew that it was a great paapam not to welcome an atithi at the doorstep. Along with His wife, Yami, He rushed to serve Nachiketa. One went to fetch water and the other brought an aasanam for him. Yamadharmaraaja still did not feel completely satisfied in serving him. So he told Nachiketa, "Dear child, I have offended you by keeping you waiting for three days. To wash my paapam I request you to ask for three varaas".

Nachiketa was very happy to recieve varaas from non other than the Yamadharmaraaja. Nachiketa said "My first wish is, when I return home may my father's anger go away, may he conquer anger and always have prashaantata". Yamadharmaraaja was very happy with nachiketa for his self-less wish. Nachiketa said "my second wish is to grant me the vignyaanam and my third and last wish is to grant me Aatmagnyaanam". Yama granted the first two boons immediately and tried to convince Nachiketa to give up his third wish. Only a deserved person must be taught Aatmagnyaanam and hence Yamadharmaraaja tested Nachiketa by offering him gold, pearls, coins, horses elephants and even the happiness of Swarga instead. "No, I do not wish for anything else," replied Nachiketa firmly. Finally, Yama granted him the third boon too, and Nachiketa was enlightened with the Aatmagnyaanam".

**Here are some morals listed on the website that we saw in the story**
Morals in the Story:
    Pitruvaakya paalanam is the foremost duty of every child. This is well displayed by Nachiketa. Even though he had to face difficulties because of it, in the end he learnt the Aatmagnyaanam, which is difficult for even great sages to obtain. The shaastra gnyaanam of Nachiketa helped him talk wisely both with his father and Yamadharmaraaja. Dhiraas never give up (see Bhagiratha's story), they never move away from the goal. This quality is displayed by Nachiketa both while travelling to Yamaloka and being firm during Yamadharmaraaja's test before giving Aatmagnyaanam. The importance of Atithi seva is well illustrated by Yamadharmaraaja.
  1. Always we must give away things we like, which are good and not the ones we hate and are useless (see Rantideva's story too).
-Anisha
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And Lola and I (okay, Lola 😆) came up with a DOTW! Here it is!
DOTW
Parent-child duties in context of these mytho stories, and how their lessons can be applied today. Obviously there's the Ram-Dashratha katha, but at the same time we have Ravan-Meghnaad as well as Prahlad-Hiranyakashyapu. What do you do when the parent's going the wrong way and imparting wrong values??
Edited by LOLAnisha - 15 years ago
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edited my earlier post on page 51! 😊
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Originally posted by: LOLAnisha

DOTW
Parent-child duties in context of these mytho stories, and how their lessons can be applied today. Obviously there's the Ram-Dashratha katha, but at the same time we have Ravan-Meghnaad as well as Prahlad-Hiranyakashyapu. What do you do when the parent's going the wrong way and imparting wrong values??

Wow, superb topic, Anisha!👏 Really in-depth.
I think the only thing I can say about the topic is that it is the duty of a family member to correct the wrongs of the wrongdoer. Whether that well-wisher is one's parent, wife, or child, the person doing the wrong has a duty to listen, and the well-wisher has the duty to advise him on the correct path. Ram himself said Meghnad had to die, because he was supporting Ravan in his bad cause. To support a sin is the same as committing the sin, because you are not letting the person know that he is treading the path of wrong. Meghnad not only supported Ravan, he encouraged him in every action until the very end when he realized the truth, but by then it was too late and his advice went through empty ears. A son is supposed to be his father's friend and well-wisher, and a friend and well-wisher always criticizes the other when he is doing Adharma, and Meghnad failed as a son when it came to that aspect. Loyalty is a very vague term. One must know when to be loyal, and when to break away from one's family to save themselves from sin and ruin. Meghnad at least should have refused to help his father in his evil deeds, even if it meant death, because death at the hands of his father at least would have given him moksha, while going against God and supporting his father only brought him infame.
Prahlad is a different story, because he did warn his father. Even though he was years younger than Meghnad....a mere child, he warned his father a countless number of times that hate towards Sri Hari would only bring him ruin, but Hiranyakashipu would not listen. Prahlada never supported his father in his actions, so no blame can be given to him like in Meghnad's case. Prahlada always went against his father and prayed to Sri Hari for grace and protection, and because of that, in the end, Hiranyakashipu was killed while Prahlada was spared and protected.
Before anything else in life, one must support Dharma, because Dharma is God and God is Dharma. If Dharma means to support one's family, then one must support it unconditionally, while if Dharma means to go against one's family, they must do so like in Vibhishna's case, because that alone takes them to God.
Hope I made sense and wasn't ranting unnecessarily.😳
-Janu
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Posted: 15 years ago
Really really nice topic Nishipie 😉 And the Nachiketa story's the perfect point of departure... especially this version you found that points out the main lessons so clearly, thanks a million for sharing 🤗 Though I and just about everyone else in here is gonna agree word for word with Janu, I hope everyone still participates cuz I'm sure we can each highlight something unique.... got it, everyone 😉

So we've sorta had a topic similar to this in the past, the whole husbands and wives one from 2 CCs ago, where we tried to find relationship lessons in the mythos that we can apply today. But while that one emphasized equality and mutual respect, I think the issue at hand this time is love versus obedience and how they're not always one and the same. To begin with the Nachiketa story, most narrators who tell it will focus more on "wow, this kid was such a good boy, obeyed his dad even if it meant going to hell"... especially when they're telling the story to kids... wonder why 😆 But they gloss over the part in the very beginning, where he actually goes against his father's decision to give away in charity that which was useless to the recipient. And this version you found states it so beautifully, that it was out of love that he expressed disagreement with his dad - he sincerely and lovingly wanted for his dad's ritual not to go to waste.

That sets up for us the discussion that Janu put together so beautifully on loyalty, which Deeps and I recently had with regard to Vibhishan and Karn and which in the previous CC, Shivang bhaiya and I covered with reference to Shri Ram's pre-vanvaas dialogue to Lakshman about worshipping your parents like God even when they may be on the wrong path and society may reject them... in fact that exchange we had fits this DotW perfectly, so if anyone wants to check it out, here it was:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/33365398
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/33367927
Basically we came to the conclusion that Meghnaad and Kumbhkarn were not outright wrong, but they were certainly behind in terms of spiritual progress when compared to Vibhishan and Prahlad. They held obedience in the highest regard because they had mistaken it to be the same as love. What Shri Ram was advocating in that line was not, IMO, blind obedience, but love. Love your parents like they're God. Because that's the most you can love someone. And when you love someone that much, you should be way too concerned about their wellbeing to blindly obey them when they themselves are headed in the wrong direction. That point was made by Janu already, and that too really brilliantly so I'll leave that as is.

We had previously phrased it as a conflict between worldly dharmas like that of a son, brother, etc. versus the ultimate one of a devotee and a human being. But now, I think I'm gonna switch it up and say that that kind of blind obedience even goes against those worldly dharmas. In the scene right before Shri Ram has that exchange with Lakshman, the one in which he learns of and accepts his vanvaas from Kaikeyi, he enters the room and sees his dad in a pitiful condition and keeps trying to find out what's wrong. In the process of doing that, he says that I'm not just your son - I'm your friend - so please treat me as such and tell me what's the matter. If only all these other sons and brothers saw that their duties called for them to be friends, not robots who do what they're told without using their brains!! Sometimes love and disobedience go together better than love and obedience; Nachiketa demonstrated loving disobedience when he challenged his dad's decision to give away in charity that which was useless to the recipients. Vibhishan and Prahlad demonstrated loving disobedience by continuing to live in and encourage righteousness at the risk of alienation from their families and even death. Awesome lines by Mandodari in Ramayan that demonstrate loving disobedience (or at least disagreement) have been discussed by us at Orkut time and again, like right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2puFPnJavYU. Then there's Meghnaad who's so obedient, but is it really loving when it ends in destruction of the one he supposedly loves?

So then, I guess what I'm trying to say is that the mythos don't mean for us to become robotically obedient (can I say wafadaar kuttas in here 😆) when they tell us to love and revere our parents as God. We should do that when their behavior resembles God's in its righteousness like Ram did with Dashrath, and when it doesn't seem to match God's we should (lovingly) bring it to their attention and turn them back into the Godlike figures so we can revere them once again. It's like when you're praying to a moorti - a representative of God - and it accidentally falls over; you straighten it out and continue with your prayers.

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