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@Lola
Of course Lola. I know we think alike always. So what you meant to say was the same which I elaborated from my side. I have read your wonderful fanfic over the childhood of Vibhishan and Kumbhakarna (You emphasized over their different nature in that fanfic in very neutral, practical, objective and positive way rather than their righteousness in normative way.) and that was just awesome as I had told you before and also we share the same views over Vibhishan as Orkut buddies. Only thing why I wrote that I agreed in different sense and not in whole sense with the literal reading of your short and excellent post was because I made the distinction between the growth part and status part. By that I didn't mean that I disagree with your view. I meant I agreed with one possible way of interpreting your post (from the point of view of nature and stage of realization/knowledge of soul and subjective situational choice/decision) and disagreed with another possible way of looking at the same action or character (about the objective equality of greatness of the actions of the two comparable characters) but that didn't imply that you also have that opposite view. So I just posted OUR views in detail.😊
And that Makraksh explanation was also superb pick!!!
But what happens is that when I try to empathize these characters or try to put myself in their place (Kumbhakarna/Meghnaad/Karna/Bhishma), I feel embarrassed with myself or start pitying myself. OMG! What sort of situation I have put myself in that I have to follow such rubbish duty!!!😔 What sort of ignorant nature I carried throughout my life with attachment and bondage!!! How unfortunate situation I have created for myself!! Let me leave Duryodhan and go to other side. To hell with this stupid pratigyaa or mitra rinn. My Krishna is over there (He Vidhaataa! Yeh tune mujhe kis ore laa kar khadaa kar diyaa. He Gangaaputra Bhsihma!! Tum kahan par khade ho?!!).
And then my empathy breaks out because my natural instincts go against their naturally selected actions due to their virtues that they followed throughout their life as a rule rather than with open mind to make them tools for the greatest cause.
The fact is that these great great guys followed some of the highest values or virtues of mankind with steadfastness but the very point that they had no flexibility in sacrificing those virtuous values (like Yudhishthir partially demonstrated with his Ardhasatya in battlefield once) for greater cause; I feel sorrow for them. The fact that these great values were still lower than Ananya bhakti of supreme leaving all social dharmas aside, the times when sooner or later these values of these Karmyogis with niswaarth ahankaar were going to conflict with devotion to God, they were naturally bound to take the wrong side. Misfortune.
Now I will post the dialog of Ravan-Kumbhkarna scene and my interpretation of the same.
Of course Lola. I know we think alike always. So what you meant to say was the same which I elaborated from my side. I have read your wonderful fanfic over the childhood of Vibhishan and Kumbhakarna (You emphasized over their different nature in that fanfic in very neutral, practical, objective and positive way rather than their righteousness in normative way.) and that was just awesome as I had told you before and also we share the same views over Vibhishan as Orkut buddies. Only thing why I wrote that I agreed in different sense and not in whole sense with the literal reading of your short and excellent post was because I made the distinction between the growth part and status part. By that I didn't mean that I disagree with your view. I meant I agreed with one possible way of interpreting your post (from the point of view of nature and stage of realization/knowledge of soul and subjective situational choice/decision) and disagreed with another possible way of looking at the same action or character (about the objective equality of greatness of the actions of the two comparable characters) but that didn't imply that you also have that opposite view. So I just posted OUR views in detail.😊
And that Makraksh explanation was also superb pick!!!
But what happens is that when I try to empathize these characters or try to put myself in their place (Kumbhakarna/Meghnaad/Karna/Bhishma), I feel embarrassed with myself or start pitying myself. OMG! What sort of situation I have put myself in that I have to follow such rubbish duty!!!😔 What sort of ignorant nature I carried throughout my life with attachment and bondage!!! How unfortunate situation I have created for myself!! Let me leave Duryodhan and go to other side. To hell with this stupid pratigyaa or mitra rinn. My Krishna is over there (He Vidhaataa! Yeh tune mujhe kis ore laa kar khadaa kar diyaa. He Gangaaputra Bhsihma!! Tum kahan par khade ho?!!).
And then my empathy breaks out because my natural instincts go against their naturally selected actions due to their virtues that they followed throughout their life as a rule rather than with open mind to make them tools for the greatest cause.
The fact is that these great great guys followed some of the highest values or virtues of mankind with steadfastness but the very point that they had no flexibility in sacrificing those virtuous values (like Yudhishthir partially demonstrated with his Ardhasatya in battlefield once) for greater cause; I feel sorrow for them. The fact that these great values were still lower than Ananya bhakti of supreme leaving all social dharmas aside, the times when sooner or later these values of these Karmyogis with niswaarth ahankaar were going to conflict with devotion to God, they were naturally bound to take the wrong side. Misfortune.
Now I will post the dialog of Ravan-Kumbhkarna scene and my interpretation of the same.
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