WHY SO DEFENSIVE FOR KAURWAKI?

Originally posted by: astha36

Hi.. I suppose you're talking about my post here. Thanks for replying there. I'm not really an ashwaki or even kaurwaki fan for that matter. I was just curious as to why kwk is criticised so highly.

My opinion on her character is that I didn't like the post leap kwk much. The actor seemed really ill-suited to me. Also her constant whining about ashok and their scenes were a bit too melodramatic for me. I am more interested in the political aspect of the story. Having said that I will add that since the track of swayamvadhu has started ashwaki scenes have become tolerable for me. But I am not interested in the romantic angle whether it be with kwk or devi. But afaik kwk was the only queen whose name was written in the edicts. Now I suppose ifthe edicts which were ordered by ashok himself have her name and only her name she must be important. Most important? I don't know. But important yes. I think the criticism against the character especially by those who don't mind romance and would rather have ashvi scenes is a bit of an overreaction.

Also I think the makers are just trying to show that Ashok loved only one woman although he married many. So to show true love they introduced her in the teenage years and want to give her some time and space in his life to make it look real. That's what I think.

Historically there are many flaws and fictional stories added in the show. So do you want true history only in his love life or married life? I understand it's irritating to see a wrong turn in the story but just like everything else is accepted I think it's just been too long and kwk should be accepted like other characters are.

Originally posted by: aditi37

Honestly, I prefer to ignore whenever such post occur even when you posted your post which was totally correct in my view , I preferred to ignore but after reading your comment I have to say infact I would say forced but have to say THANKS😊and true she must be some important as she was the only one who mentioned in edicts as she must be some important as makers wouldn't take such risk to show the same in Indian television as she must be some important otherwise they would have shown devi in her place.

History sabotaged or not if they can tolerate other weird stuff ,why not this![/QUOTE]

Hello firstly u was not talking about the real life so no need to bring the queen edict my question was about kvk s imp to the present plot

Secondly i agree wuth fact that kvk being one of imp wives of ashok needs to be introduced in the show but so does the other two devi and ashadhimitra one was gis first wife hus first love nd mother of his two well known children nd the other being his cheif consort for 30 years till he died

But their introduction in the show shoukd be with the proper characterization nd with proper plot nd in kvk s xase both of them were lacking cant u see that the cvs hv literally ruined the character nd converted her into an obsessed lover who has no other work to do apart from crying about her beloved thus totally unlije the real Queen kvk who was an indepactress nd courageous woman who fought bravely against the cruel emporor of magadh to safegaurd her motherland it was her courage her determination that mesmieized ashok Cas kvk nd tge real kvk share nothing in common apart from the name ofcourse nd top of that they hv brought an actress who us doing a below average job with her weird expression nd on the other side we kajal as devi again with poir characte nd less screen time burlt still she managed to shine because of her acrlting powress it like bm with deepika and pc no matter if pc was playing a supporting character she still managed to shine

You see i hv no prob with romance since it iams about ashok his personal life is also very imp but then romantic angle shud also go with the flow nd shud nt be shoved down our throats which is happening in case of ashwaki i mean what is glorify something which will ultinately lead to nowhere nd kvk will hv to return to kaling

They introduce her in childhood ok good we got a glimpse of het but then what was the need of bringing at this point of time when she is not needed and potraye her a despo self centred person i dont why they didnt waited for kaling war to bring her back they could hv easily shown that ashwaki meet after a long time in the battlefield as rivals their feeling resurfacing but neither of the able to exptess because of their duties towards their respective motherland going on to show how they manage to fulfull their responsibilities nd the manage to reach out to each other as lover now that quiet romantic isn't it? 😉 But no the makers didnt used their brains nd ruined the character

Coming back to my post so the sole reason of ot is to know a pov diff from what majority people on this forum hv i wad not targetting anyone in particular but just tryo g to fing what kvk lovers think about her character and about the course of it after ashvi marriage

I dont get tgat y people chooce to ignore it since i dont think i hv said anything wrong or used any dergotary language did i? Just asked a simple ques but what i feel is the real reson for ignoring the post is beciz u guys dont hv any answer for my ques wjich you certainly dobt because in ur entire reply you talked about queen edict, kvk s imp in empror ashoks life ,other historically incorrect show but i didnt find a single line where you justified her presence to the present i repeat to the present plot but no worries you can still answer tell her imp to the ongoing plot nd what do you think will happen ro ger after ashci marriage?

Coming to the accepting tgen it is an individual choice id they want accept a particular character or not nd y shud i accept a temporary character whic probably end in a month or so after ashvi marriage becoz i dont find what will she do by staying in pp or in the show for that matter after her sole reason being thete that is her marriage to ashok will be over so u see it is just the matrer of time before she says her goodbyes until and unless the makers are panning to make her a vamp who will create prob the newly weds which i feel nobody wants becoz it will nothing but a sheer insult to the late empror nd his beloved queen

Lastly i want that when they bring her back agian during kaling war they do ot with a proper characterization nd a better actress potraging it

Againy ques nd i m wating for the answer this time plz stick to ongoing plot

Originally posted by: aditi37

Honestly, I prefer to ignore whenever such post occur even when you posted your post which was totally correct in my view , I preferred to ignore but after reading your comment I have to say infact I would say forced but have to say THANKS😊and true she must be some important as she was the only one who mentioned in edicts as she must be some important as makers wouldn't take such risk to show the same in Indian television as she must be some important otherwise they would have shown devi in her place.

History sabotaged or not if they can tolerate other weird stuff ,why not this!

Originally posted by: astha36

@Adhya

I brought up the queen edict because in your post you have mentioned how the other wives are important and have more interesting relationships with Ashok. I have already written that I am not an ashwaki fan. Like I also said, I didn't like the whining. So I think the character could have been much better. BUT I think Ashok's character could have been shown in a better way too. I think that about other characters at different points of time.

All the melodrama with both ashok and kwk pining for each other is obviously, again like I said, to create one love story and not many. If I really think about it, kwk and ashok are shown to have similar characteristics. Both are passionate, stubborn, brave. So probably, they want to show that people who are so strong-headed love very passionately too. That's why they have not forgotten about their love for the ten years they didn't even see each other. Talking only about kwk, she ventured out of her kingdom to find ashok when she got hint of where he might be. There is no one to guide her but she perseveres and after so many days finally meets him. Then the hide n seek game starts but that's another thing. I think I like the idea of him loving only one woman although marrying and respecting others more than him loving all of them. Probably because I prefer monogamy. So, I am fine with this track except I think it gets dragged very much sometimes.

I think the need to bring her now was just because Ashok has not forgotten her, and neither has she so why will she wait till Kalinga war. Your suggestion of this angle is also good. If they had shown that, it would have been fine too. I think all that pining is because she really made a goal out of finding ashok and being with him. I don't think that's obsessive because then what is love? In those days anyway they didn't have a career to think about. Ashok has his "akhand bharat ka sapna" which he mentions in every second sentence and she has this. Both are equally irritating to me. I will also not call her selfish because I think in love stories, lovers go to extreme ends to be with each other (romeo-juliet etc).

Kajol does seem to be doing a better job I think but only marginally. I am not really impressed with any of them. I like that Devi is shown to be more mature and understands and handle situations well. Kwk is more impulsive. Just because devi's marriage with Ashok will happen first doesn't mean that Kwk need not have entered the show. I think it's just to maintain the continuity of their love and would Ashok have married anyone before Kwk if he really loved her so much? So, I guess to justify that they have shown this track. There needs to be a reason why if they both loved each other, then they stayed apart for a long time and Ashok got married elsewhere multiple times. This does make sense.

Just like they have introduced Devi, they will introduce Asandhimitra too, when that is required. Since, their marriage would most likely be for reasons other than love, she had no place in the story right now. After Ashvi marriage, Kwk should take a break from the show I think while Ashok's life goes in a different direction.

By the way, why do people not have a problem with Ahankara and in fact, ship Ashkara when clearly she was a fictional character. I mean where's the history in that?If she could be introduced as Asandhi then that's just as bizarre. But I suppose it is a matter of taking sides. People liked the actress and her acting, so they liked Ahankara. Since they liked her, they didn't like Kwk, especially because Ashok fell in love with her and had refused Ahankara. Now, there is Devi and Ashok still loves Kwk so she is shown as more important and people who like Devi have a problem with that. Really, I only wanted to know why root for Devi and not kwk? Otherwise, I am indifferent towards any of the girls.

PS. I agree with you on that Bajirao Mastani reference.

Originally posted by: nikii11

And Historically too Devi ND Asandhimitra were more important.KVK was mentioned in his edicts not cause of Ashok's wish its cause of Kaurvaki's wish..she wanted her developmental works to be recorded.So she wished ashok to mention her.And thts why he mentioned her developmental works..And about devi , OFcourse he married her in childhood at the age of 18.and Ashok built sanchi stupa for her she has not wished for it .Ashok himself as built it.Asandhimitrs he built ashokan stupa in her birthplace she has not wished he himself as built. and she stayed in patliputra for 30 yrs as chief queen.Devi stayed separate as per her wish. Where is kvk in all this..?? 😕 There are accounts too that kvk stayed separately.

Originally posted by: astha36

Oh..and how do you know that kwk wished that? Also,why would that stop him from writing about his other Queens? Kwk may have been the only one to demand that her name be written but if he had other and more important Queens, why would he not record their names too?