Recreation of History: Right or Wrong?(My views Updated)

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Posted: 9 years ago
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How do we fictionalize historical narratives and figures? How far can we go and where do we stop are very integral issues with which we have to deal when it comes to recreating an ancient time period and bringing to life people who lived during those ages?

Many a time, the accounts we have of that period are incomplete or prejudiced. There are many gaps in history. How do we fill them up? Are we justified in doing so? There are several versions of the same history. Then what do we regard as authentic and true?

There are several cases in history where history changes depending on which side wins. We never get to hear the other side of the story. There are cases where information is suppressed or completely erased. So aren't we doing an injustice to the people of those ages if we just go by the existing records which in themselves may not be giving us an accurate picture?

I thought about starting this topic after all the discussions that were going on in this forum about history and its inaccurate portrayal in CAS. What's your take on these questions and issues? How far do you think they are pertinent to our show?

PS: My views on these questions have been answered in my second post.

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Honestly I truly understand it is not possible for daily soap opera to show true history or easily follow chronology of events ..how I wished it was 1 hr weekly show it would be easier ..granted that is another thing .But how is it possible to recreate character of a person who the viewers have already viewed in some other way ? Everyone knows how ashok was and how different it is portrayed on show. When the show started not only me but most of us were content with his character writing .He was cunning,had some attitude ,not someone who will just stand and tolerate jibes thrown at him...and just after few months he was tulisi virani. Also I am okai with some sort of diversion like bindu didn't knew Dharma was alive ..but sometimes they show gross distortion for e.g. Chankya's death and worse they actually ruin ashoka's character ..(common he can't be that innocent,sensitive etc etc).Also most of CGM sl is given to ashok..that sort of copying is so basic and it should be avoided.I am okai with copying as long as it is done intelligently and suits SL...but they actually copy from Titanic ,bahubali or GOT...In My opinion for character sketch of samrat ashok if anyone comes close to him among recent king is Henry the 8th ..That I am saying coz I watched the show Tudors which was done well ...it too had lot of distortion but If this CVS want to take easy path that is the show they can refer to infact many of Henry's wives can be compared to Ashok's.That's what I feel .As about how actually in reality ashok was his edicts ,ashokvandana tells a lot ..I am hoping they will bring change him when the takshilla tracks end .
If showing real ashok makes them think they will lose viewer ..how about atleast make him bit ambitious,a little aggressive and less of preacher
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: asyasehan

Oh well...history is past. Not yesterday kinda past but 2millenia ago kinda past. I love history ..if it is about collecting info about Ashoka ..I am in. But those gaps that are left..and those multiple stories..well I go by the story that is the most logical. But i am not okay with biased stories..but we don't know whom to believe right...I think we should believe what seems true and from which we could learn something. For me..history is of only one use..learning and understanding your past so that you could understand your present.regarding the inaccurate portrayal of CAS...what can we expect? You tell me..if Ashok is shown as a boy who lived in poverty..and karu is a princess..can we expect them to 'fill the gaps' for us. These shows are historical fiction..they have an outline of the story of emperor Ashoka and the gaps, they fill it with fictional stories..whether they are believable, accurate or not. Yes, in this forum we can discuss the history a bit for our benefit. Recreation of history is neither right nor wrong..from my side


yes the gaps will have to be filled with fiction. agreed! It's OK if it remains limited to filling the gaps only.

Make the chief queen Charumitra a witch, rajmata Helena a terrorist, Bindusar a dumbheaded below 20 IQ person or Ashoka a superhero who is a combination of Batman, Harry Potter, BaahuBali etc. is NOT called filling the gaps.

Some amount fiction is fine and acceptable. But this show is 100% fiction and 0% history. It's a shame really.

@BOLD I disagree with this.
to give a very specific example.
Chanakya's death is very well documented in various scriptures.

But what did they show?
Siyamak a 10 yr old child killed the great chanakya. Helena, Charu, Sushim are all murderers now.
It's really outrageous and mockery of Indian history.
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I love reading ur post...U have brought certain positivity in the forum...
History cannot be changed...we get the info from the remains...not necessary that with everything available we will be able to predict the event...we may get wrong...& the missing creates gaps...we try to fill it with creative mind...& that is what show makers do...no harm in that but atleast try to show what majority says if not accurate...people who have knowledge about history or do research after watching knew the truth but who are watching blindly without knowing anything gets wrong impression...even though people who just watch the show for the sake of entertainment believe what is shown...
There are many such facts which I came to know after joining the forum...though I didn't believe what was completely shown bcoz shows are scripted...but some which I believed to be true turned out to be wrong...there were misconceptions that got sorted...like it happened to me can happen with anyone & not necessary everyone finds out what they see & thought is wrong.
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I was not able to give individual replies or like the posts in which many of you raised several excellent points due to a severely malfunctioning internet connection. I hope my friends will understand why I suddenly vanished away after starting the discussion post. I'm giving my views on the same below. I hope they add to whatever you friends have already discussed.

'History' is generally defined as a study of the past while 'fiction' is regarded as a type of literature that describes imaginary people, events and stories connected to them. Our major problems arise when we try to bring both these terms under a common umbrella as we do while discussing 'historical fiction'.

When we are attempting to fictionalize the people, conditions, or events which actually existed, it is almost like walking the tight rope over a mine field. We do have several records and accounts of what happened in the past. At the same time there are several things which are either unsaid, incomplete, false, exaggerated, or numerous contradicting versions of the same person or event depending upon the perspective of the historian who has written it or the nature of the historical record, when we deal with historical time periods and personages far removed from the modern time periods.

Let us simply call them gaps in history. So when any writer tries to fictionalize that period, they imaginatively try to fill these gaps and give us the full story in a logical, sequential and chronological fashion. But this approach in itself has several loopholes because when you give a writer the freedom to invent details which are missing, they tend to invent and write more than actually needed.

It is one aspect of the human tendency that we fail to see things as they are. We try to color them with the lenses we would love to see. So for example if it was a romantic at heart who was fictionalizing an ancient personage and his life, he/she would be more interested in depicting the romantic angle of that person excluding all possible other angles that actually exist in history. Sometimes it even goes to the extreme of inventing newer and newer details which are far from reality. The writer's story assumes precedence over the actual history. He/she is writing his-story under the guise of history.

Just take the example of ballads and folk songs. Many a time while they give us a good picture of the past, they also end up misleading us by incorporating the views and opinions of the author into something that is supposed to be 'history', or a truthful account of the past. Similarly, the winning side, the majority opinion or accounts often overpower the losing side, minority opinion or accounts by the sheer power of their numbers. And over a period of time, we lose track of them and end up believing that this is the real' history while this perhaps happens to be just one side of the coin.

CAS falls into many of the pitfalls I described above while bringing to life the story of Chakravartin Samrat Ashok. There are many things we know about him from the historical books and records of that time, the accounts of travelers and envoys from other countries, and most important of all, Ashok's very own rock edicts.

The right approach in recreating his life would have been to do a very extensive research of available information and build upon it. But it does not seem to have been a very interesting approach in the eyes of the makers of the show. They would have felt that it was more like producing a documentary than a historical fiction show. So they took the easy way out writing their own history in the show.

But I feel that when there is enough drama in actual history itself, where is the need to either falsify it or tamper with it while making or producing a historical fiction show? Chakravartin Samrat Ashok's life and times are in themselves very interesting and intriguing. So they do not need all these superfluous elements, additions, omissions and misleading elements to make it an even more interesting watch. At times, these plot devices end up overruling the actual plot. These happen to be my views on CAS and recreation of history.

One of the best works I remember even today in this genre is the telugu historical fiction novel, Kadimi Chettu by the great Telugu writer, Vishwanatha Satyanarayana on the life and times of Mauyura Sarma the founder of the Kadamba dynasty. Not many of you must have even heard of it. It is a very great classic in Telugu. I don't know if translations of it are available or not.

It was my father who read it to me when I was very small. I was literally rapt in attention at the portrayal of those times, the story and the intriguing characterization of both the protagonist and antagonist, for that matter even the minor ones. The description of the war scenes and the strategies of war, the game of one upmanship, the political intrigues of those times, etc had me spell bound. There was nothing out of place or irrelevant to the story.

The adrenaline pumping climax of how the hero defeats his enemy Bhalatha Varma who is many times more powerful than him in brute strength by tiring him out and playing the waiting game in the final one-to-one struggle with his stamina and agility literally had me clapping. When I started seeing CAS, this was the kind of stuff I wanted to see in the show though I was not averse to having a bit of romance thrown here and there provided it does not hinder or drag the overall story, a bit of human and personal touch sort of thing in the story of a great emperor. But looking at the present story, I fail to make out where it is going both as a history and as a romance.

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