The 9th avatar of Lord Vishnu??? - Page 3

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Incidentally, Buddha being missed in DkDM as one of Vishnu's avatars when Shiva was doing his Nata dance was briefly touched on here

only 9 avtaars story had been shown

One poster made a pretty good point that what Sidhartha did - abandoning his family in pursuit of moksha - was against Karmaic laws, which is incidentally what Krishna advised Arjun against doing in the Gita.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

In the ACK Parashuram, they mentioned that unfortunately, he started killing not only evil kshatriyas, but good ones as well. It showed one scene of a king bowing to him and telling him that he was innocent and only interested in the good of his subjects, so why punish him. Parashurama used his guilt by association reasoning to tell him that one of his caste had slaughtered his father, and then proceeded to decapitate him. Panic ensued in that kingdom, and others where Parashurama repeated that process, and Bhumi Devi approached Kashyap appealing to him to stop the massacre.

That was the origin of the ban on Parashurama to rest anywhere on Bhulok.

I know that ACKs are by no means the last word. But most ACKs embellished the good deeds of their heros and masked their bad ones. But in this case, they showed Parashurama overdoing it, and hence the intervention from Kashyap. Parashurama followed that by giving away all his wealth and everything, and when Drona approached him, all he had was his weapons, which he then gave/taught Drona (which begs the question - how did he have anything left for Karna?)

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

If Buddha was Vishnu's avatar, this is what I would expect him to do to the sinners who were misusing yagnas. Moreover, Kali Yug is the era of most sin. If you noticed, every one of Vishnu's avatars got more aggressive and more powerful as the yugas neared Kali Yug. Krishna taught people that one must fight for dharma, and he annihilated every sinner that walked the Earth in his time. So why would he come back to Earth in Kali Yuga as Buddha, and preach total peace when even more sin was rampant? I would expect someone like Kalki to come in Buddha's place.

Every progressive Vishnu avatar more aggressive?? How? And more powerful? Are you considering only Parshuram, Ram and Krishna? How Kurma was more powerful than Matsya and Vaaman more powerful than Narsinha? And in Kaliyug is the era of most sins but the absolute sinners are not that powerful like Ravan or Kans. Now the sin is spreaded and divided among ordinary people. Now there are not many absolute evils and absolute goods. There are both good and evils in individuals primarily. So, peace between people and peace between nations is perhaps the most relevant and necessary teachings of Kaliyug. But if it means that if a neighbour country invades you and you let their soldiers win our country without doing anything, then really that can't be digestible teaching if interpreted that way. I think Buddha's message was not for the mass. His message was for the true sanyasis and vairagis and not saansaarik people. His message was meant for very very small relevant mass. Revenge is the theme of Parshuram avatar (for dharmsansthapan and punishing evil). Individual Morality is the theme of Ramavatar. Sanaatan dharma is the theme of Krishnaavatar. Peace and non violence were the theme of Buddha. So if Buddha is the odd one out, other 3 are also not completely common due to different eras (I still see the fundamental nature and philosophies Ram and Krishna to be the same almost but era situations still differ and hence the practical approaches).

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

And in Kaliyug is the era of most sins but the absolute sinners are not that powerful like Ravan or Kans. Now the sin is spreaded and divided among ordinary people.

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

This is true, but I'd also like to make a point that terrorists can be comparable to Ravan and Kans. In fact, I'd hold Ravan in a higher light than the terrorists because while he did do sins, he was also learned in Vedas and did lots of penance. Kans on the other hand has nothing good to say about himself so he's very much comparable to the terrorists of today.

To deal with such terrorists, someone like Rama or Krishna is necessary for our society, but I guess that's where Kalki avatar comes in since during Buddha's times, there probably weren't any terrorists, right?

Originally posted by: varaali

As I understand, there are two points under discussion:

1. Whether the Buddha mentioned in SB and Gautama Buddha are one and the same.
2. If so, how did the principles which Gautama preached differ so radically from the tenets of Hinduism.

As I mentioned in my previous post, it is mentioned in SB, that Buddha, the 21st avatar of Lord Vishnu would manifest Himself in the first half of Kali Yuga as the son of Anjana Devi and would be born in the region of Gaya.

Now the Gautama Buddha that we are familiar with was born to Maya devi in Nepal, but his enlightenment took place in Bodh Gaya. That can be said to be his second birth. So one fact in SB is corroborated.

Now to the second point- If Buddha's overly pacifist teachings went against the grain of Hinduism, how can he be accepted as a legitimate avatar of Vishnu?

The answer to this also lies in SB itself which says that in the Buddha avatar which Vishnu will take he will talk and lecture (a lot ) - not on religion- but on social and moral principles. So, the SB itself says that in His avatar as Buddha, he will not preach religious doctrines. To that extent, we need not wonder why Buddha did not encourage religious rituals.

Moreover, one more key point emerges in SB here. It says that Buddha will take avatar when scientific knowledge advances to such levels as launching invisible rockets in outer space with a view of whole scale destruction. Then Buddha will try to 'divert' (mati vimoham) their minds by preaching non violence. Obviously, such level of technology did not exist during Gautama Buddha's time- but it could also have been Vyasa's poetic hyperbole.