Top 5-6 Acting Performances of All Time in Bollywood - Page 7

There is some extreme level of fangirling going on in this thread.

Originally posted by: rickyproctor27

Yes, I get all the points you've mentioned. When you think of Sridevi, Madhuri, SRK, AB Sr, as outsiders who got a chance, that's the Gold of Bollywood we are talking about. Looking back for examples in the recent past, I think it was only SSR that really stood out as an Actor with pedigree but we were not meant to have him for long.

Wow, have to give it to Salman. If my memory serves me right, that is the only Filmfare award he's ever got and even then he was acting pricey. I hope he doesn't do the same for the LTA award which should be his next and last one.

I had no clue Esha Deol abused Amrita Rao physically. Mahesh Bhatt was different compared to Dharmendra and others I think. Of examples, one was there was a pic on magazines of him kissing his daughter Pooja and the article quoted him "If Pooja wasn't my daughter, I would have married her", stuff like that. Zakhm is his life story so maybe that can give you an idea if you're really interested. His affair with Parveen Barbi, what that did to her etc. its too much dark stuff and thus I always felt he's not right. But anyway, I think when we like or dislike something or someone, we find reasons to justify that and there is always so much good and bad conjecture about celebrities, that we can easily find both kinds of stuff to justify how we feel. It's human nature. I guess if I didn't like Alia as an actor, I would have found a lot of stuff to justify that too. You could be right about the auditions story as there is no proof of that happening. Kjo correcting Khushi really just throws the premise to the dumps anyway. I understand now the difference between MNIK and SOTY. I had really hoped MNIK was an evolution/growth because KANK was also a surprisingly mature and different movie. SOTY script was so shoddy. I think he said somewhere that he wrote it in 15-20 days, "Aise hi bana dia" or something like that and Siddharth said "No no. its a good movie. dont say that" :) (think it was KWK with Siddharth and Varun)

Funny you mentioned launching Sanjay Kapoor and Chunky Pandey's daughters and even I thought the same whether they are worth launching but I wrote it off as he doing it for SRK-Gauri. The parents are all best friends right? I read an interesting article last year which said, the online outrage after SSR and the political scrutiny thereafter has in fact caused people in the industry to band together like siege mentality and become even less open to outsiders when it should have had the opposite effect. I don't understand a lot of what KJo and what he does today. I liked and understood a bit when Shweta Bachchan actually called him out for wanting to be around young people to feel young. Do you think if he shoves enough of Ananya Pandey down our eyes with movies, we will start liking her like it happened for some with Alia ?

I am very sorry if it came out that way, but I never meant to say Rani wasn't pretty. She absolutely was. I still watch the Saathiya title track very often just for her.(when I am listening to the song on my cell) I just think she didn't have the super model looks like Aish, Sushmita, Katrina, Deepika etc. I don't know how to explain it any other way. Maybe that's not the first thing people will speak about when speaking about Rani is the best I can do.

I think with Kalank, the bar was set so low with all the reviews that when I watched a year later with that expectation, I didn't dislike it that much. One of Varun's very few good performances (October and Badlapur being others). Its still horrible box office wise and in comparison to other movies of 2019. And yes, she looked pretty and also now in RARKPK I feel. I actually feel this is now the time it can go downhill for her because she has been able to play roles with a childish/innocent flavor to them that endeared her to a lot of people and differentiated her too mostly because of her mannerisms and frame on screen. Now, she will go into the proper mainstream actress category so we will see if she makes it there.

SSR's death was extremely disheartening. I think it also shows the state of the industry now that newcomers cannot be accepted. Perhaps SSR would have become a superstar in an earlier era. Similarly a SRK or Amitabh who was introduced today may have ended up similarly as SSR.

I think it's precisely because that was the only Filmfare Award he ever got which made him so reluctant to accept it because he wanted a Lead Filmfare Award. What are the LTAs?

There were some threads on here posted a few months ago about Esha Deol badly beating up Amrita Rao in front of everyone on the set. As you can imagine, there were no repercussions. Wow, had no idea about Mahesh Bhatt saying stuff like that. Those are Donald Trump lines. Most of the men from that era in the industry were pretty horrible and while I don't know if they ever crossed the same exact lines that he did, I'm sure they were equally terrible in their own ways. But I do think you can only use upbringing and childhood as an excuse for so many things before you have to own up to your own actions and shortcomings. Like Salman Khan apparently had an awful home life based on what Somy Ali said about how his father used to treat his mother, and while that makes me sympathetic, I don't think that clears Salman of all his own actions as I'm sure you'd agree since you've made it clear you're not a fan of him as a person. Similarly, there are so many stories about the home life with Neetu Singh and Rishi Kapoor and what type of environment Ranbir grew up in but if he ended up exactly like his father, there comes a point where he's actively made that choice and just as blameworthy for allowing himself to become that. I never watched Animal but I heard he said that the film resonated with him because it was basically depicting his own relationship with his father. Which only convinces me more that this guy is a red flag.

KJo does say that he was split when it came to KANK. He feels the end product doesn't work because what he started off with was a more realistic story but he had to change it to make it more commercialized once he got his A-List cast and needed to cater each character to the actors' star images. So he always seems very apologetic about KANK and says it's the one film of his he would remake, but sometimes I think he can't recognize what he's done good. And he's equally as apologetic about KKHH and how it's "dated" and for all his claims that he would only remake KANK, he's said numerous times he would like to remake KKHH with Ranveer, Alia, and Janhvi. So I'm just glad he's not touching KANK or KKHH for now. MNIK is a fluke but I'll still give him credit for it because the film's success does go to him which makes SOTY even more shocking. It shows how the quality of his films deteriorated without SRK at the lead. KJo isn't one to stick to what he says either because he used to claim he would never make a movie without SRK but SOTY broke that (and what a film to break that for, not even worth it) and apparently it caused some bad blood between him and SRK.

I know the Panday family are very close to SRK's because when SRK was an outsider and struggling, it was Chunky who took him in and supported him financially. Now SRK takes care of that family. No idea if Sanjay Kapoor's family is super close to SRK's though. I didn't even know he had a daughter until I kept hearing everyone say KJo is launching her next. Someone said that KJo's motto to the nepo gang is that each of these young actresses need to wait for their Jab We Met. How Bebo's career was floundering for years and she was not taken seriously until Jab We Met. So he told Ananya and the girls that they just need to stick around long enough for their own Jab We Met that resonates with the public. The only one of this group I like is Janhvi. She was good in Dhadak and Mili. I've only seen Ananya as a supporting character in Gehraiyaan and she wasn't bad but not great either and left little to no impression that would make me want to see her as a lead. Sara I have never seen in a film. I can sorta understand why the Bollywood inside group decided to band together after SSR's death and thus become even more restrictive to outsiders. They got a lot of taunts and blame with the BoycottBollywood trend (which thankfully never resulted in anything except for Kangana's films ironically enough) so I think this was a natural defense mechanism.

Oh I didn't mean to imply I thought you thought Rani was ugly. I just meant I know that most people seem to think she's pretty but not drop dead gorgeous like say Aishwarya or Madhuri. Personally I always put Rani alongside them in terms of beauty but I know I'm in the exception there. And Rani herself made the joke that people would run away from her because of her looks and husky voice when asked if men had ever tried to harass her. So your take on Rani as being stunning but not supermodel gorgeous is the norm. Admittedly enough when she's without makeup and not dressed up she can look ordinary.

Karan is best at presenting his heroines. Anushka got a lot of praise for her look in ADHM with many saying that was her best onscreen look because it was a KJo film. Similarly, I think after Kalank, Alia looked best in Rocky Aur Rani also because it was a KJo film. That being said, the Yash Chopra heroines always looked most beautiful in his movies so only those special actresses who worked in his films will have that status as unattainable beauties. Alia was protected because KJo made sure all her films were curated for her and that she had no competition who could rival her. Now she's not in the class of Janhvi, Sara, Ananya, but try as KJo might, audiences don't put her in the same class as Rani, Tabu, Deepika, Katrina either. She lacks the acting chops of the former two and she lacks the superstar status, dancing, and looks of the latter two. It reminds me of when Adi Chopra launched Anushka and told her that she wasn't a beauty so she would have to learn to actually act. That is Alia's main concern now that she has to prove she can act since she doesn't have the looks or other qualities that her superiors have. She's in that strange state where she will never be considered a contemporary of Katrina/Deepika so she'll never be a heroine to SRK/Salman/Hrithik, etc. but she's also past the level of Janhvi/Sara/Ananya who can still be paired with Varun because his career didn't take off enough. She's outgrown Varun but she'll never be paired with the superstars as a romantic lead so she's really only got Ranveer or her hubby. Katrina and Deepika can still crossover between SRK to Ranveer so they have more fluidity in their career with what roles to take.

Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

Karan is best at presenting his heroines. Anushka got a lot of praise for her look in ADHM with many saying that was her best onscreen look because it was a KJo film. Similarly, I think after Kalank, Alia looked best in Rocky Aur Rani also because it was a KJo film. That being said, the Yash Chopra heroines always looked most beautiful in his movies so only those special actresses who worked in his films will have that status as unattainable beauties. Alia was protected because KJo made sure all her films were curated for her and that she had no competition who could rival her. Now she's not in the class of Janhvi, Sara, Ananya, but try as KJo might, audiences don't put her in the same class as Rani, Tabu, Deepika, Katrina either. She lacks the acting chops of the former two and she lacks the superstar status, dancing, and looks of the latter two. It reminds me of when Adi Chopra launched Anushka and told her that she wasn't a beauty so she would have to learn to actually act. That is Alia's main concern now that she has to prove she can act since she doesn't have the looks or other qualities that her superiors have. She's in that strange state where she will never be considered a contemporary of Katrina/Deepika so she'll never be a heroine to SRK/Salman/Hrithik, etc. but she's also past the level of Janhvi/Sara/Ananya who can still be paired with Varun because his career didn't take off enough. She's outgrown Varun but she'll never be paired with the superstars as a romantic lead so she's really only got Ranveer or her hubby. Katrina and Deepika can still crossover between SRK to Ranveer so they have more fluidity in their career with what roles to take.

Yeah, I cannot add to anything you said because all of it is absolutely correct. You can empathise and sympathise but it cannot be an excuse for breaking laws or using people. The fact that the cause of the issue is known, it only means you should get the solution. I have always been a fan of Ranbir's acting since Wake Up Sid but never a fan of him as a person. As much as you hide it, the misogyny does show itself somewhere.

Agree Alia faces challenging times ahead. I think SLB was going to make Inshallah with Alia and Salman but ended up making Gangubai first as things didn't work out. To your point, the script was that it was a young girl falling in love with a much older guy. So you're right, roles will have to be written for her/curated as she won't fit in with the big stars in normal stories. Also, didn't realise until you said it, but actually Ranveer/Ranbir/Vicky are the only A-listers she can work with. She has left Arjun, Varun, Sidharth behind, correct. TBH, I didn't enjoy Brahmastra so her real life pairing doesn't appeal much to me on-screen. The other choice being roles like Gangu and Jigra (upcoming) where the whole movie revolves around the main character. I wonder how sustainable that is though.

Originally posted by: rickyproctor27

Yeah, I cannot add to anything you said because all of it is absolutely correct. You can empathise and sympathise but it cannot be an excuse for breaking laws or using people. The fact that the cause of the issue is known, it only means you should get the solution. I have always been a fan of Ranbir's acting since Wake Up Sid but never a fan of him as a person. As much as you hide it, the misogyny does show itself somewhere.

Agree Alia faces challenging times ahead. I think SLB was going to make Inshallah with Alia and Salman but ended up making Gangubai first as things didn't work out. To your point, the script was that it was a young girl falling in love with a much older guy. So you're right, roles will have to be written for her/curated as she won't fit in with the big stars in normal stories. Also, didn't realise until you said it, but actually Ranveer/Ranbir/Vicky are the only A-listers she can work with. She has left Arjun, Varun, Sidharth behind, correct. TBH, I didn't enjoy Brahmastra so her real life pairing doesn't appeal much to me on-screen. The other choice being roles like Gangu and Jigra (upcoming) where the whole movie revolves around the main character. I wonder how sustainable that is though.

What I find concerning about Ranbir is the roles he plays. Someone pointed out that if you've seen him in Rockstar, he's playing a similarly angsty character with no boundaries in ADHM. And then in Animal, all those previous toxic misogynistic tropes have been amped up. I can't imagine how he could top Animal with something even more regressive. When an actor keeps choosing roles like these, which are never painted as problematic or villainous, it makes me wonder about their morals and principles. For example, there are rumors that Ranveer turned this role down. Meanwhile his Rocky Aur Rani role is a wonderful character who learns to grow and become more open-minded and he's a much better person at the beginning than Ranbir's Animal is at any stage of the film.

I actually preferred her in those early films with Varun, Sidharth, and Arjun. I thought they were more age appropriate for her and she had better chemistry with those actors. I do like her pairing with Ranveer but I think that's more because I like Ranveer and even then, I think he's much better suited for actresses like Deepika and Anushka. Her and Vicky didn't work for me and when it comes to real life couples, I've noticed that often they lack chemistry onscreen. Saif/Bebo got a lot of flack in the late 2000s when they kept doing movies together but critics and audiences said they had no chemistry onscreen together. Maybe it's only the married couples that lack chemistry onscreen? I never thought Aish/Abhishek were a good pairing in movies outside of Kuch Naa Kaho (when they weren't even romantically involved). Meanwhile Salman/Aish and Salman/Katrina were both superb and beloved onscreen pairings. As for Alia's solo films, it comes down to whether the audience has enough goodwill for her to support her in solo films without a hero.

Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

What I find concerning about Ranbir is the roles he plays. Someone pointed out that if you've seen him in Rockstar, he's playing a similarly angsty character with no boundaries in ADHM. And then in Animal, all those previous toxic misogynistic tropes have been amped up. I can't imagine how he could top Animal with something even more regressive. When an actor keeps choosing roles like these, which are never painted as problematic or villainous, it makes me wonder about their morals and principles. For example, there are rumors that Ranveer turned this role down. Meanwhile his Rocky Aur Rani role is a wonderful character who learns to grow and become more open-minded and he's a much better person at the beginning than Ranbir's Animal is at any stage of the film.

I actually preferred her in those early films with Varun, Sidharth, and Arjun. I thought they were more age appropriate for her and she had better chemistry with those actors. I do like her pairing with Ranveer but I think that's more because I like Ranveer and even then, I think he's much better suited for actresses like Deepika and Anushka. Her and Vicky didn't work for me and when it comes to real life couples, I've noticed that often they lack chemistry onscreen. Saif/Bebo got a lot of flack in the late 2000s when they kept doing movies together but critics and audiences said they had no chemistry onscreen together. Maybe it's only the married couples that lack chemistry onscreen? I never thought Aish/Abhishek were a good pairing in movies outside of Kuch Naa Kaho (when they weren't even romantically involved). Meanwhile Salman/Aish and Salman/Katrina were both superb and beloved onscreen pairings. As for Alia's solo films, it comes down to whether the audience has enough goodwill for her to support her in solo films without a hero.

Hmmm, interesting the way you put it. I never thought of it that way as morals and principles I find it hard to associate with Kapoor men. His break-ups and infidelities all those years back were't even surprising, expected rather given the rich pathetic history since generations. But he, his father and his mom I felt are good actors onscreen. That's the limit I see them to.

Interesting to envisage Ranveer playing this role. Didn't know he turned it down. I absolutely loved him in Padmavat so he could have done an even better job probably. I love Ranveer and am a big fan of his as an actor. It suffices to say after Bajirao, 83, Padmavat, Gully Boy, he is the most versatile and probably the best of the current generation. His numbers abroad also show he's the most marketable globally. The fact English football leagues and US Sports authorities collaborate with him for PR in India shows that.

Regarding your question in bold, could be true. I remember Joey's advice to Chandler in Friends "If they are seeing each other off-screen, there will be no chemistry on screen and vice versa" haha. The road it sends him down is crazy. Yes, I think she fits best currently with Ranveer but think it's Ranveer's versatility as an actor that he manages to complement not just Alia but most actresses paired with him.

I think they were good in Guru during which I believe they started dating, but maybe wrong about timing. I mentioned Inshallah above, just read today that SLB is in talks with SRK for the movie now. That could be one big reunion after 20+ years.

Originally posted by: rickyproctor27

Hmmm, interesting the way you put it. I never thought of it that way as morals and principles I find it hard to associate with Kapoor men. His break-ups and infidelities all those years back were't even surprising, expected rather given the rich pathetic history since generations. But he, his father and his mom I felt are good actors onscreen. That's the limit I see them to.

Interesting to envisage Ranveer playing this role. Didn't know he turned it down. I absolutely loved him in Padmavat so he could have done an even better job probably. I love Ranveer and am a big fan of his as an actor. It suffices to say after Bajirao, 83, Padmavat, Gully Boy, he is the most versatile and probably the best of the current generation. His numbers abroad also show he's the most marketable globally. The fact English football leagues and US Sports authorities collaborate with him for PR in India shows that.

Regarding your question in bold, could be true. I remember Joey's advice to Chandler in Friends "If they are seeing each other off-screen, there will be no chemistry on screen and vice versa" haha. The road it sends him down is crazy. Yes, I think she fits best currently with Ranveer but think it's Ranveer's versatility as an actor that he manages to complement not just Alia but most actresses paired with him.

I think they were good in Guru during which I believe they started dating, but maybe wrong about timing. I mentioned Inshallah above, just read today that SLB is in talks with SRK for the movie now. That could be one big reunion after 20+ years.

The Kapoor men, particular Rishi and son, have never really been associated with morals or principles. And as you said, his breakup history with him going between one top actress to another, depending on who is more popular at the time, makes him come across as shallow and pathetic. I honestly haven't seen much of the three in acting. Some of Rishi from his 90s romances with Juhi, Rekha, and Sridevi but even then I used to wonder why this fat man is considering a love interest.

Ranveer is also my favorite of the new generation. And I agree that his international numbers show that he is beloved overseas and always does well there. 83 I think was a flop in India but was the highest grossing movie overseas. He has two wax models for Madame Tussauds as well and they tend to only focus on global BW stars.

I forgot about that Friends quote. I think it does apply more often than not. And I agree that Ranveer works alongside most actresses because of his versatility. I'd like to see what he would be like paired with Katrina since these two are so different in image and star personas.

I know they were already a couple when Abhishek was filming KANK because he told KJo he was in love with Aishwarya during that movie. Guru came out a year later so they were definitely a couple then. I'm assuming during Dhoom 2, they were starting to see each other or already a couple since that was the same year as KANK. Yes, SRK is supposed to confirm 3 movies this month. Bhansali will confirm a movie in the next month or two so hoping they overlap.