KJo killed off Anushka in Ae Dil Hai Mushkil for not loving Ranbir - Page 13

Originally posted by: Jazzkapur

see at 00:29 https://youtu.be/x9M06V5ia8o?si=awwgcqe4FQ-kXoCg i can't find the 2nd scene i mentioned, that was after her cancer. In that scene, he does kiss her without her consent, then he says sorry but after 1 second, he says 'actually I'm not sorry'

Thank you for posting. I tried looking for the second scene as well and couldn't find it online (although there's plenty of videos of his emotional abuse towards her when she's got cancer and he's still forcing her to love him, plus one scene where he physically shoves her which I think is the scene Karan may have been forced to address in the interview). Probably nobody wanted to post that scene for a reason.

Originally posted by: loginidran

it happened.

You were a fly on the wall?

Originally posted by: Clochette

Ha ha ha... no one here "destroys" PC or her carreer (she is able to do it herself).

And - imo - SRK's blaming people being quick to label relationships (to give it a "name" or put it in a box) is more gentleman-like then telling: whoever hints at my friendship with PC to be an affair has a knack for sensationalism and fiction.

With PC, it is a proven pattern that she puts things out in the press that are completely fabricated and untrue but she does this to boost her stature. People love to attack Deepika and her PR on her all the time, even going as far as claiming that thousands of women threatening to commit jauhar or a man committing self-immolation in protest were all part of Deepika's PR to get her name in the press, but this same crowd seems blind to the fact that Priyanka had been pulling stunts like this for years and was very infamous for it. She did the exact same thing in Hollywood, having media reports sent out that her name is linked to every A-List celeb she could find.

Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

When she died in the movie I thought it was stupid because it came out of nowhere and seemed like he just didn't know how to end the film without putting them together.

It was shocking to hear the real reason she was killed off is because she needed to be punished for not loving him back.

He said this film was inspired by his own heartbreak and someone he loved who never reciprocated. The person in question should be terrified after reading this interview. KJo has also said that he thinks unreciprocated love is the most perfect love because it's entirely your own. I guess that makes even more sense when you consider his view that the other should die.

He needs therapy.

I used to not take movies seriously before, but a few years back I had this experience at work that changed everything. That experience has led me to HATE movies (in all countries around the world) that show persistence in love, because it makes some think that it is okay to do that in reality when it's really NOT okay. You make the choice to love someone, and if you love them, then you should respect their choice too. Kudos to all the men and women who respect others choices. I don't think Ranbir's character loved Anushka's character at all, because if he did, then he would have respected her choice. A lot of movies glorify a character wallowing in their feelings a little too much to make it seem like that is love when it is not. It is so messed up.

Originally posted by: Petrichor80

I used to not take movies seriously before, but a few years back I had this experience at work that changed everything. That experience has led me to HATE movies (in all countries around the world) that show persistence in love, because it makes some think that it is okay to do that in reality when it's really NOT okay. You make the choice to love someone, and if you love them, then you should respect their choice too. Kudos to all the men and women who respect others choices. I don't think Ranbir's character loved Anushka's character at all, because if he did, then he would have respected her choice. A lot of movies glorify a character wallowing in their feelings a little too much to make it seem like that is love when it is not. It is so messed up.

I think some of this hits harder when they've been through it ourselves. When I first saw this movie way back in 2016, I don't think I really had a capacity to understand because I was not emotionally mature enough then to recognize what I was seeing. So this movie just glossed over my head and I didn't recognize how problematic Ranbir's character was. The fact that I only saw this movie once and never revisited it didn't help so I have very little memory of the actual scenes and events. It wasn't until I re-read interviews from Karan and saw people posting about Ranbir's sexual assault of Anushka's character that I went back to YouTube to find those scenes and while I couldn't find the actual sexual assault scene, the scenes I did find were not much better. He's so emotionally abusive in every scene and then there's the physical assault as well which shocked me now, even though Kjo glossed over that and seemed to be a bit annoyed that anyone had noticed it. I don't feel like putting myself through this movie again because it had little rewatch value, but if I ever did watch it again, I'm sure I'd be a lot more aware and critical of how toxic Ranbir's character is.

Originally posted by: RaniPreityAish

I can't remember either but I vaguely remember they have some sort of altercation at the end.

It's pretty telling that Karan only addresses this in the interview as physical aggressiveness which he apologizes for as he didn't realize there was anything wrong in that, but then qualifies that by saying he does not regret Ayan's relentlessness and inability to give up. To top it off, he justifies all of his behavior by saying he was a lover and did it all in the name of love. I'm sure many men who throw acid on women who reject them also consider themselves lovers.

Man when Rom-Com was still the dominant genre then Imran and Kareena had a fun film about unrequited love. It ended the way it should have.

Karan just reminds me of SoBo/Greater Kailash aunties who are conspicuously performing their poshness all the time but are super mean-spirited in every sense.

He needs massive therapy

Originally posted by: Jazzkapur

see at 00:29 https://youtu.be/x9M06V5ia8o?si=awwgcqe4FQ-kXoCg i can't find the 2nd scene i mentioned, that was after her cancer. In that scene, he does kiss her without her consent, then he says sorry but after 1 second, he says 'actually I'm not sorry'

The scene was so creepy and triggering, I don't remember it being this disgusting. Men pass off their obsession and need for control over women as love. It is vile.

I thought and still think that Aish had the best arc. She didn't let him use her. She had a healthy approach.

There was nothing to logically justify Alizeh's divorce either. She was so headstrong and rightly so that she didn't love Ayan. Then it makes no sense why Ayan would be the one to sow seeds of distrust in her marriage. It was just a very misogynist film.

Also whether they changed the arc because of what hungama happened with Fawad would never be discussed in current times. So there is that.

Originally posted by: Blueeeee

The scene was so creepy and triggering, I don't remember it being this disgusting. Men pass off their obsession and need for control over women as love. It is vile.

I thought and still think that Aish had the best arc. She didn't let him use her. She had a healthy approach.

There was nothing to logically justify Alizeh's divorce either. She was so headstrong and rightly so that she didn't love Ayan. Then it makes no sense why Ayan would be the one to sow seeds of distrust in her marriage. It was just a very misogynist film.

Also whether they changed the arc because of what hungama happened with Fawad would never be discussed in current times. So there is that.

In the recent thread about best KJo film, I thought it was interesting that most people noted that it was his 2010s movies, SOTY and especially ADHM, which were the ones they least revisited or liked least of all. They have not caught on like his 90s/2000s movies and even Rocky Aur Rani has been more popular now and more a part of public discourse.

It seems like almost everyone watched ADHM once, never watched it again, so we're all forgetting how vile some of these scenes were. Maybe in some ways, the lack of repeat value is unconsciously embedded in us because we were so disturbed the first time around that we had to block these memories of the movie.

I agree, Aish had the best character. If I remember correctly, she breaks up with Ayan after the dinner scene where she can see that Ayan is just using her to make Alizeh jealous. That, having fallen for him now, she knows he will never love her the way he loves Alizeh so she breaks things off which was the mature thing to do.

Was Ayan responsible for breaking up Alizeh's marriage? I don't remember why her marriage broke up but I don't remember him doing anything to instigate it. Didn't she disappear from his life for years and only when he goes looking for her that he finds out from DJ Ali that they're not together anymore.

I've heard mixed things about Fawad's role as Ali. Some say he had a bigger part which was cut out because of all the political tensions and that the script made less sense because he was so central to Alizeh's role. Others, including KJo, say it was always a guest appearance and only 9-15 minutes of screentime. There's one deleted scene with Fawad and Anushka but also deleted scenes with the other principal actors so it doesn't seem like Fawad's part was cut down as much as it was never a big part in the first place. Just an obstacle for the main protagonists.

If I remember correctly, there was a forum discussion about it when KJo first said this.

For me, ADHM was a tale about unrequited love. Sometimes, no matter how much you love someone, they don't love you back the same. And that's ok. You can accept them in your life as a friend and cherish that relationship. Or you can stew in the bitterness of unrequited love.

But KJO's statements about why Alizeh got cancer make it the most fcuked up movie ever.