Do you think Hrithik and Kangana had an affair? - Page 4

Originally posted by: TrollikaDevi

I didn't blame him for being defensive. I said he was way too defensive. There's a difference . He caked his interview with holier than thou philosophical poor-me BS when he didn't have to. Her behaviour and her emails specifically were working against her.

Scarring him for life? How exactly would she do that ? By telling people he has a Hello Kitty tattoo on his butt? The scarring for life thing is a threat by the way and he could have gone straight to the police with that but his excuses are " There's no grace in it " " It would go public ". It had already gone public so no love lost. And nobody gives a shit about 'grace' whatever he means ,get real. When someone sends you thousands of emails you block them ,and if they persist in other ways you go to the police about the harassment. There are laws to prevent cyber harassment. Another excuse is a bizarre theory of an impostor. He believed an impostor was doing it so he felt sorry for Kangana and kept dragging it. He also went out of his way to talk to her directors ,mentors ,random doctors about this and wanted to contact her parents, everything except the right thing to do. If he was worried she'd slap a MeToo allegation on him, he had all kinds of damning evidence against her,like the sexually explicit videos /pics she sent him and the thirsty emails. She wouldn't have stood a chance .

His interview was full of contradictions. First he says they had a regular professional relationship where she told him about her trouble with diction and he told her about his struggle with that speech disorder. She also sent him pics of herself doing somersaults at a beach ( odd and brazen) to which he responded with emojis and I quote him "praised her to the skies". A couple of minutes later he says she was extremely shy and they barely had a conversation .

In Jordan she showed up in front of his hotel room drunk which he saw through the peephole . Years later at Karan Johar's party she thanked him for congratulating him on the success of Queen . He said he never did. She walks away sulking. He follows her asking her if she's ok which she ignores. Later at night she sends him abusive messages in Hindi. And ofcourse he assumes an impostor who found her phone after she lost it,did that. There he says he later reached out to her and her sister as a 'friend' .

Blinds are no biggie. Every celebrity deals with them. All the time. She spread blinds that he proposed to her in Paris. All he had to do was go to the media and clear it. But he says he is media shy. And again because it's "disgraceful". He's not media shy,he interacts with the media just fine.

The main problem in his story is when he says he didn't know how to block emails. Lol. If he knew how to direct them to spam and later had a "competent team of forensic experts" to retrieve those thousands of emails he clearly would have known how to block them. Or known someone who did.

Kangana is a delusional socioopath and a pathological liar but Hrithiks insane obssesion with his image and his tendency to go out of his way to play the good boy isn't exactly normal

P S I didn't know she mentioned in her emails they never even kissed. Which is why I assumed they probably had a little fling ( which ,if he was still married ,comes under the umbrella of 'affairs') . Anyway I admire him for not releasing her nudes online. If I was in his place I would have but then she's shameless enough to milk that and start an onlyfans .

Just switch the names. Say, Shivani for Hrithik and Vijay for Kangana and see how horrific what you said sounds.

holier than thou philosophical poor-me BS when he didn't have to: Yeah, and? The man was being stalked, and the law wouldn't do a single thing. When he's in the thick of things, he's hardly going to sit there and wonder whose PR is succeeding. He put his side out there.

Scarring him for life? How exactly would she do that ? Dear God! When I was a teenager, a neighborhood peeping tom climbed on the wall around the home to peep into the upper story bathroom as I took a shower. Trust me, I won't forget the abject terror ever. No, that was nowhere close to an actual physical assault. But nor does society have any business minimizing the emotional effects of a CRIME done to a person.

his excuses are " There's no grace in it " " It would go public ". No, he said that as an excuse for not going public before, and he was right. once things went beyond a point, he, too, went public. And he did go to the police, only to be told men cannot be harassed by women as per Indian law.

MeToo allegation on him, he had all kinds of damning evidence against her: once again, Indian law doesn't consider reverse harassment

regular professional relationship... pics of herself doing somersaults at a beach... "praised her to the skies": have you seen BW celebs respond to each other's posts on social media? That IS a professional relationship to them.

He follows her asking her if she's ok... he later reached out to her and her sister as a 'friend' . And he is to blame because he is decent? Naïve? I mean, how

He's not media shy,he interacts with the media just fine. Most people, including regular people like you and me, would be OK with good press on us. Something like this would be to be avoided. Your issue is he didn't go to the media before?

The main problem in his story is when he says he didn't know how to block emails. I don't know the circle you hang out with, but I know plenty of people who wouldn't know how to block emails even now. And why would anyone think of hiring experts until it became a problem? You're conveniently conflating what happened after it created a social uproar to what happened when it was still private

Hrithiks insane obssesion with his image and his tendency to go out of his way to play the good boy isn't exactly normal: Who makes anyone judge, jury, and executioner on what is normal? And if he wants to be perceived as such, does that mean he deserves to be stalked and harassed, and publicly humiliated? It's the mirror image of saying prostitutes can't be raped.

@TrollikaDevi Pretty much everything that you said to explain why you instinctively didn’t believe Hrithik is a critique of how he said what he said and less what he said. You think he plays the victim, you think he’s obsessed with his image - in short you don’t like him. That’s fine. But not liking someone is not evidence of lying.

I don’t remember if you were here then or what your position was so this may not apply to you but the ironic thing is many of the people that gave Kangana the benefit of the doubt for years are the exact same people that either don’t believe Hrithik did the exact same thing or outright blame him for not recognizing her pathology faster than they did.

When she drunkenly pounded on his hotel door he called her sister, gave Kangana the benefit of the doubt and tried to forget it. When the sisters told him an imposter had been stringing Kangana along he believed her. When she told him she had a mental illness, he believed her and when she sent him explicit messages he marked them as spam (his version of blocking), didn’t betray his promise to not talk about her illness and tried again to ignore her. In retrospect it may very well look to you like he was gullible or stupid, but I have had many extended interactions with -I think- intelligent people that absolutely believed everything Kangana said even when objectively it could not be true.

Why is Hrithik judged so harshly for not recognizing the truth about Kangana by people who also took years to recognize the truth about Kangana? Why is it so hard to believe that even at the time he gave the two interviews he still wasn’t sure how much of what she’d done was mental illness and how much was just because she is a lying spiteful narcissist and therefore, in case she really was ill, spoke with great care and restraint? Why is it shocking he might feel like a victim when despite that he was innocent of her charges and had in fact tried to be kind to her first and then tried to quietly ignore her bad behavior, people believed her every lie and attacked him every time he tried to defend himself (and he did try to clear it with the media, multiple times, and she accused him of trying to boycott her and sl-t shame her and worse and guess which headlines ruled?) Why shouldn’t he be angry that he took his evidence to the police and…nothing happened?

i think there are more chances of her having an affair with Modiji than with Hrithik 😆

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

You clearly don't understand the difference between laymen and celebrities. Some guy peeping into your bathroom is not the same as a crazy actress who has a reputation of being difficult sending a male superstar thousands of emails. I'm not saying it's not stressful for him. I was specifically addressing the threat in question. Which sounded like a threat to slander him and ruin his ',reputation' and not literal scars on his body. But ofcourse with crazy people you never know, they could harm you physically which makes it all the more necessary for you to go to the cops IF you're worried in that sense. Clearly he wasn't since he never mentioned he feared for his life.

Yes their relationship was professional but I was talking about him saying she was shy and there weren't any conversations between them when minutes ago he had said something about having conversations with her.

It doesn't matter whether you hang out with a lot of people who wouldn't know how to block emails ( Do you though??) He had the resources to find out . You don't wait until thousands of emails have piled up before you realise it's a problem. It's a problem after the first 20 ones especially when the content is crazy.

I didn't blame him for reaching out to her I said it was odd that he suddenly felt he was her friend when he had just said they weren't friends.

There are gender neutral laws to prevent cyber harassment. This wasn't a case of sexual harassment (even though there are parts where there's an overlap). The cops do act on it when celebrities are involved. Aishwarya Rai being a woman , got the police to stop Salman from entering her building. So it's not unheard of. As for MeToo, when the allegations come from a woman who has been sending the person she accused naked videos of herself , it just wouldn't go anywhere . No matter how biased things are against males ( if that's what you're saying) . In a society where women who are actual victims of rape are sl#t shamed, Kangana and her thirsty emails would be punted to the curb by the court if she cried MeToo . She has even said that some lady from the Women's Commission was hostile to her about this.

I never downplayed the harassment he faced , I was talking about the contradictions in his interview., but I will not compare it to the stalking ordinary women face on the streets. Get real. Now if you want to take it out of context and make it seem like I was , that's fine by me. No , acknowledging the privilege a male superstar has, compared to ordinary victims of harassment is not the same as saying prostitutes can't be raped.

Originally posted by: TrollikaDevi

You clearly don't understand the difference between laymen and celebrities. Some guy peeping into your bathroom is not the same as a crazy actress who has a reputation of being difficult sending a male superstar thousands of emails. I'm not saying it's not stressful for him. I was specifically addressing the threat in question. Which sounded like a threat to slander him and ruin his ',reputation' and not literal scars on his body. But ofcourse with crazy people you never know, they could harm you physically which makes it all the more necessary for you to go to the cops IF you're worried in that sense. Clearly he wasn't since he never mentioned he feared for his life.

Yes their relationship was professional but I was talking about him saying she was shy and there weren't any conversations between them when minutes ago he had said something about having conversations with her.

It doesn't matter whether you hang out with a lot of people who wouldn't know how to block emails ( Do you though??) He had the resources to find out . You don't wait until thousands of emails have piled up before you realise it's a problem. It's a problem after the first 20 ones especially when the content is crazy.

I didn't blame him for reaching out to her I said it was odd that he suddenly felt he was her friend when he had just said they weren't friends.

There are gender neutral laws to prevent cyber harassment. This wasn't a case of sexual harassment (even though there are parts where there's an overlap). The cops do act on it when celebrities are involved. Aishwarya Rai being a woman , got the police to stop Salman from entering her building. So it's not unheard of. As for MeToo, when the allegations come from a woman who has been sending the person she accused naked videos of herself , it just wouldn't go anywhere . No matter how biased things are against males ( if that's what you're saying) . In a society where women who are actual victims of rape are sl#t shamed, Kangana and her thirsty emails would be punted to the curb by the court if she cried MeToo . She has even said that some lady from the Women's Commission was hostile to her about this.

I never downplayed the harassment he faced , I was talking about the contradictions in his interview., but I will not compare it to the stalking ordinary women face on the streets. Get real. Now if you want to take it out of context and make it seem like I was , that's fine by me. No , acknowledging the privilege a male superstar has, compared to ordinary victims of harassment is not the same as saying prostitutes can't be raped.

You have way lot of time for someone you hate😆

All this won't be needed if kangana just showed proof of her claims. If she can use a dead man for publicity, she can do anything

Originally posted by: Nova19

when she sent him explicit messages he marked them as spam (his version of blocking)

I don't know or care whether they had an affair or not but this part I'm not buying.

When you mark one sender as spam, all other emails from that person will automatically go to spam. You will never see any new emails from that person. Emails in the spam folder also automatically get deleted in 30 days. So if Hrithik had actually marked her email as spam, he would have never seen any new ones and they would all be getting deleted automatically after 30 days. It is nearly impossible to retrieve old deleted emails YEARS later.

Hrithik was reading all those emails and saving them which is why he had so many to give to the media later.

Originally posted by: TrollikaDevi

Hmm interesting post. But condescending as hell. I'm not sure if I'm one of the people you were talking about, but since I'm the one who said he was too defensive I'll respond.

I have actually read Malcom Gladwell's book ,the one that you mention and another one called Outliers. He relies on dubious studies and has made controversial statements on rape which some would call a justification ;anyway he's a good narrator. Talking to Strangers focuses on people's ability to tell if someone is lying when it's actually hard to tell, and on body language. For one, when you get that pedantic about it you should also be ready to face the fact that it's still being debated by experts and is pretty subjective Secondly ,when I said Roshan was way too defensive I was not talking about his body language. I would never judge him based on that . I meant his narrative. Some of us don't need to read books to know a story is contradictory and doesn't add up but hey whatever floats your boat.

I have no trouble accepting I'm wrong as and when I'm confronted with evidence. Like I did in Kangana's case while I used to be on her side years ago . I have no obligation to believe they never slept with each other until it's proven tht they never did . Everything Kangana says is a lie but that doesn't mean Roshan isnt capable of lying once in a while for whatever reason ,he's human after all. It doesn't have to be an Either Or situation.

By the way what does Gladwell say about people who throw shade instead of talking directly? I find them puzzling 😁.

Condescending? Well maybe. It’s hard not to be in this situation.

Dubious studies? No. The controversy was that he dared to talk about the effects of alcohol and college culture on a probably black out drunk rapist (who he called a rapist) and address access to guns increasing suicides in a gun obsessed American culture. The studies on the ability to detect lies are from respected scientists independent of his book. If you want to discredit the studies that specifically say nervousness and defensiveness are “read” as lying but NOT reliable indicators of lying and confidence and warmth are “read” as truthful but NOT reliable indicators of truth then sorry Gladwell had nothing to do with them.

Is your official position that you aren’t obligated to believe Kangana never slept with Imran Khan until it’s proven they didn’t? Why do you have any opinion at all on whether Kangana and Hrithik slept together? Because Kangana told people they did. Because Kangana planted blinds and later gave interviews implying they did. Someone you know to be a liar, someone you know lied about this “relationship” put an idea in your head that you cannot accept isn’t true. Well okay, what possible argument can be made to that?


I didn’t realize I was talking “to you” until you let me know what I wrote spoke to you. So now I’m speaking directly.

Originally posted by: Nova19

@TrollikaDevi Pretty much everything that you said to explain why you instinctively didn’t believe Hrithik is a critique of how he said what he said and less what he said. You think he plays the victim, you think he’s obsessed with his image - in short you don’t like him. That’s fine. But not liking someone is not evidence of lying.

I don’t remember if you were here then or what your position was so this may not apply to you but the ironic thing is many of the people that gave Kangana the benefit of the doubt for years are the exact same people that either don’t believe Hrithik did the exact same thing or outright blame him for not recognizing her pathology faster than they did.

When she drunkenly pounded on his hotel door he called her sister, gave Kangana the benefit of the doubt and tried to forget it. When the sisters told him an imposter had been stringing Kangana along he believed her. When she told him she had a mental illness, he believed her and when she sent him explicit messages he marked them as spam (his version of blocking), didn’t betray his promise to not talk about her illness and tried again to ignore her. In retrospect it may very well look to you like he was gullible or stupid, but I have had many extended interactions with -I think- intelligent people that absolutely believed everything Kangana said even when objectively it could not be true.

Why is Hrithik judged so harshly for not recognizing the truth about Kangana by people who also took years to recognize the truth about Kangana? Why is it so hard to believe that even at the time he gave the two interviews he still wasn’t sure how much of what she’d done was mental illness and how much was just because she is a lying spiteful narcissist and therefore, in case she really was ill, spoke with great care and restraint? Why is it shocking he might feel like a victim when despite that he was innocent of her charges and had in fact tried to be kind to her first and then tried to quietly ignore her bad behavior, people believed her every lie and attacked him every time he tried to defend himself (and he did try to clear it with the media, multiple times, and she accused him of trying to boycott her and sl-t shame her and worse and guess which headlines ruled?) Why shouldn’t he be angry that he took his evidence to the police and…nothing happened?

I did not take years to figure out she was up to no good. I never gave her the benefit of the doubt when she stalked him in a drunken state. The moment I saw holes in what she said I started taking her with a grain of salt and pretty soon I could see her for what she was. When I said 'years ago ' I said years ago I cheered for her when she pretended to take on a male dominated industry. Which as I said above turned out to be a hypocritical farce pretty soon .

I don't see why I shouldn't judge Hrithik for enabling her for stupid reasons he mentions which I had discussed above. Harshly wouldn't be the right description but I do judge him yes.

I don't think he's playing the victim , he IS obviously the victim . I said he exaggerated his ignorance and helpless when it came to doing something about the emails and the rest of manipulation. And I never claimed I knew for sure he was lying. I said he contradicted himself which doesn't work in his favour. Do you think you could focus on that part?

" In short you don't like him". That's dishonest of you. Whether I like him or not is irrelevant here. I've spoken in favour of him plenty while arguing with her bots on Twitter, almost on a daily basis, while maintaining the views I shared here. If I think he's too conscious of his image, that's not a reflection of me liking or disliking him.

Originally posted by: PardesiBabu

You have way lot of time for someone you hate😆

All this won't be needed if kangana just showed proof of her claims. If she can use a dead man for publicity, she can do anything

I don't remember hating on him. Do you have trouble telling the difference between hate and criticism ?

As for Kangana, I'm not sure why you're telling me that because I'm not looking for proof that she's a liar , I know she is...everyone does. Just like everyone knows she'd do anything for publicity.

Originally posted by: TrollikaDevi

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You clearly don't understand the difference between laymen and celebrities. ... But ofcourse with crazy people you never know, they could harm you physically which makes it all the more necessary for you to go to the cops IF you're worried in that sense.

Once again you're conflating 2 diff things. Indian laws do not think men can be stalked by women. You're taking cubercrime and mixing it up with sexual harassment laws and asking why HR couldn't have gone to the cops?

How is this diff in anyway from asking why a woman didn't go to the cops at the first sign of trouble in a workplace? You 1st hope it goes away. Then you don't want to rock the boat and imagine if you keep away it won't be a problem. you delay things until it gets to be too much. This is classic behavior described in any textbook.

Yes their relationship was professional but I was talking about him saying she was shy and there weren't any conversations between them when minutes ago he had said something about having conversations with her.

Obviously, they worked together. Unless he has dementia, he would've had to talk with her. Most people would interpret what he said as no conversations to mean no conversations of a deeper kind. Jeez, man. Even in a court of law, it would be allowed. Unless of course, the person hearing is lookign for a reason ti disbelieve.

He had the resources to find out . Once again, this is as ridiculous as saying, so why did she wear a short skirt? Why didn't she go out with a male companion? No one thinks there will be a problem until there is one. And when it starts becoming clear, you still hope it will go away.

but I will not compare it to the stalking ordinary women face on the streets. Get real. Yes, stalking and harassment are a problem for the person at the receiving end. Their horror is not erased by someone else's horror. Which is exactly what you're doing.

acknowledging the privilege a male superstar has, compared to ordinary victims of harassment is not the same as saying prostitutes can't be raped. It 100% is the same. So he put himself out in the public eye. So he is rich. So he is a man. So let him get harassed. Exactly the same attitude.