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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Shabbo.Ji



Don't be. Cause i'm not a fake feminist to accuse someone of sexual harassment just because he's a man without any evidence.. or blindly believe a woman just because she's a woman.



Not every man is a harasser, or neither every woman is a victim.

But you blindly believe the man? Do you not see that it goes both ways?
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Posted: 6 years ago
The problem with sexual assault is that there is no proof ... And that is why the predators get away so easily

Have there been cases of false accusations, of course yes ... But they are in far far minority to the cases that get buried. ..


... . I wish people stop assuming that it is ever easy for a victim to accuse anyone... No one gets up and thinks let me make my life difficult by coming out with an accusation...


If you say that just because of an accusation we cannot believe hirani is guilty, then in the same breath you cannot say that the girl is a liar or gold digger... If you are going to wait for proof then wait from both sides...then hold judgment on the girl too


Also reading from the article it is clear that they did not print the story as soon as they heard it.. Neither did the girl wake up and posted it on social media one fine day... . The girl complained to other people... They heard her and offered her support... Its been going on for some time


Had it been about money, do you really think that hirani wouldn't have offered her money by now?



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Posted: 6 years ago
It's good that the movement is still going on.
The whole film industry is infested with inappropriate sexual behaviors.
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Posted: 6 years ago
Regardless of what happens with this case ... one great thing will come out of this is that "Even biggies of BW aren't untouchable"... this will only go make everyone wary from crossing the line... it'll only go to make BW even a more safer place for those with less power and position.. "men and women"! ... So I am at least glad one BIG name has come under the radar!
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: IAmLuvBolly

Sexual harassment and assault cases rarely have tangible proof. You just have to look at circumstantial evidence and patterns of behavior in each case.

Usually when one victim comes out other victims will get the courage to come forward as well. So at this point I wouldn't be surprised if within the next few months more women come and speak against Hirani.

Huffington Post wouldn't have published this without doing their due diligence. One of the big things for me in this article was that the paper talked to three friends of the victim and they confirmed that she had shared this with them at different times.

Hirani laughing at casting couch conversations doesn't prove guilt in of itself. But if he has a pattern of undermining women's issues then it goes to his character and mindset regarding women. I don't know about India but here in the U.S. these things can definitely tilt the jury one way or the other.

Thank you... you get it.

...and to those taking from my long post (with discussion on VVC and Anupama openly supporting the girl, many serious writers writing about this and so on) just the part about Sanju being a mysoginistic movie... wow... I hope it never happens to YOu.

because it happened to ME ( I am sure I have mentioned this before).
I worked at a national HUGE company everyone knew and admired this BOSS I had for he was funny, jovial made a lot of money for the company (he's part owner).
On NEW YEAR EVE HE ASSAULTED ME. He invited me into his office whilst we were all celebrating, under the auspices he had to discuss something about the new release. HE simply locked the door thern and tried to grope/kiss (have sex?) with me. Yeah he was inebriated but SO WHAT?
I trioed to get him off me, he became more insistent, then I ran round his office and SCREAMED. I was lucky a cleaning lady heard and called securioty and they BANGED on the door.
HE then unlocked the door- only then!- and I left yet was too traumatized to tell anyone. Told my friends the next day- no one believed me - because he LOOKS INOFFENSIVE and is SUCH A NICE GUY and so well known, makes SO MUCH MONEY. Freaking hell!
Took me a few years to get over this and didn';t have much chance- even after I told the other owner.. he just said he'd have a word.. but everyone knew he was targetting me for some time. My job became unbearable and I changed jobs rather than stay.. although I didn't for some time as I needed the money./
SO YES. you CAN be abused and still stay for a time. Even if you HATE it. And men like these DO GET AWAY with it.
The darn thing even tried to go after me again later, told me again in drunken state that not many women escape him.
He was taken care of later, don't worry. But I have left that job that I loved because of him and his cronies that KNEW and did NOTHIGN to help women like me.
I hope he rots in HELL.
With Hirani- we shall see.. But it is HARD to prove these thin gs, so most of us stay quiet. Or leave the job.
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Posted: 6 years ago
Let's wait and see
Can be all made up, false accusations are very common
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Just adding.. everyone got to know at my work about this assault on me, EVERYONE!. ''yet he still enjoyed his position and everything until he 'retired'. To this day he'd mention me as ';the one that got away' Yuck!.
I have also heard rumours and gossip about other females being subjected to my ex boss's advances.. yet none wanted to loose the cushy and well paid job.. so he's never faced the law. As he was a 50+ year old at the time.. many came with excuses that he was brought up in different times.. that he was inebriated (like that excuses such stuff).. although his stalking of me and his sexist/obnoxious remarks on me were overheard by many colleagues. Still no one did anything. The security guys (that saw my state of semi-undress when I've managed to run out of that office) looked worriedly at me for a long time- I guess they sympathised but didn't want to lose their jobs. The cleaning lady made a ruckus about if and was fired over ..seemingly.. being late...The chef at our restaurant, when I got ill afterwards, sent the driver with meals daily and told me afterwards that my ex boss is a douche but anyone talking about the incident gets fired for varied reasons.. so no one will stick up for me and to be carefull.
I was told by many that my ex boss is a 'bs..rd' that gets away with thinsg for years due to money power and his connections.
THIS was the environment I was working on. On the surface everything was fione.. he was a jovial intellectual making money for his company and being hailed as a genius financier. I was a successful individual on the rise. I stood by and listebned to his remarks for a few years befiore having had enough humiliation and leaving. I FELT HUMILIATED. I am sure he never felt anything but annoyance I wasn't... complying to his desires.
He also KNEW I was engaged. Knew he might get into trouble.(the reason I went into that office, thinking he wouldn't dare act on his previous remarks)

Abuse is hard to prove and deal with. Aftermath can also make you feel at fault. It's a nightmare for someone that hasn't been subjected ever to such dirty things.. to someone admiring their Boss for their success and demeanour- in a professional capacity/ he never put anything lewd in his emails to me. But I have overheard hiom many times saying sexist stuff in passing. How do I prove THAT?
It is one of the reasons I always tend to believe women that do come forward.. most time it's so hard to take the decision to go public.. your career and personal life get SO affected!
HIRANI MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE ONE SUCH BEING.
But I am heavily suspicious of certain factors that are similar to my case.

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Posted: 6 years ago
Power plays a big role and the fact is people close to them play an eqally important role by turning a blind eye or by supporting them in indirect ways.
posting the famous case of DGP Rathore and how he destroyed lives

In the age of hashtag feminism, we honoured a cop who molested a child, ruined her family

SHEKHAR GUPTA 29 January, 2018
Aradhna Gupta, who witnessed the assault on her best friend Ruchika Girhotra in 1990, holds a portrait of her |STR/AFP/Getty Images
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If the 14-year-old were molested in the #MeToo era, her convicted tormentor would be in jail for a long time. But he was a VIP invitee at the R-Day function in Panchkula.

I told you this story a long time ago, and will be failing in my duty as a journalist to not bring it back to you, especially the younger generations more sensitised on the issue of gender harassment. So read on, and reflect on the dire consequences of a mere child taking on the most powerful cop in her state by complaining that he "felt her up at the tennis court. How it devastated her, her brother, and their parents.

The tragic story of Ruchika Girhotra goes back to 12 August 1990. She, then just 14, went to play at the Haryana Lawn Tennis Association (HLTA) courts at Panchkula, near Chandigarh. She complained to her parents that S.P.S. Rathore, an Inspector-General of Police and founding president of the HLTA, felt her up. After some deliberation, her parents, and those of her friend who used to go play with her, made a formal complaint to the then Haryana home secretary J.K. Duggal. He asked the then Director-General of Police (DGP) R.R. Singh to investigate. Singh concluded after inquiries that an FIR should be filed against Rathore.

The very next day, on 4 September 1990, the state financial commissioner accepted the DGP's report and asked for a case to be registered under Sections 342 and 354 of the IPC. For one-and-a-half years, nothing happened. Nothing. Until 13 June 1992, when the state law department woke up again and recommended that an FIR be registered against Rathore. Now some action began but still no FIR.

Ruchika was thrown out of the HLTA a day after the incident "for indiscipline, and from her school within a month for "non-payment of fees. And when her brother Ashu turned 14, boy, wasn't he going to be made to pay for his sister's "sins. Between 6 April 1992 and 4 September 1993, the Haryana Police, instead of moving against Rathore for molesting Ruchika, registered six FIRs against her 14-year-old brother for auto thefts. All cases went to court. In each, he was fully acquitted. But the harassment, the humiliation, the expense of litigation claimed their victim.

Three months after the sixth FIR was filed against her brother, Ruchika, then 17, committed suicide.

In early 1994, the Haryana chief secretary again recommended action against Rathore. Again nothing happened. Ruchika's family went to pieces, even into hiding. In July 1997, Ruchika's friends' parents gathered the courage to file a petition in the Punjab and Haryana High Court asking for an FIR and CBI probe. On the court's orders, an FIR was finally lodged in December 1999, nine years after the incident. On 16 November 2000, the CBI filed a chargesheet accusing Rathore of molesting Ruchika.

If the story doesn't sicken you to the point of nausea already, if it doesn't make you bristle with anger, indignation and fright in case you happen to be the parent of a teenaged girl read on. Ruchika's father who had been in hiding for fear of police harassment, kept on asking how come Rathore was charged only with molestation, not for making his little daughter commit suicide got no hearing. The brother's life, after the humiliation, the torture and the litigation at such a young age, became a mess. Remember, under today's more civilised laws and awareness, he'd be treated very differently as a juvenile. But not in the 1990s.

And Rathore? He was the DGP of Haryana (when I wrote my first piece) and continued to be in that job despite the chargesheet. Here, Advaniji, I had written, is a first in your long and distinguished political career someone charged in a court with molesting a 14-year-old child commanding the police force next door to Delhi. Surely, Sardar Patel wouldn't have approved of this.

Had Ruchika survived the trauma, she would have been a woman in the prime of her life at 42. She would, by now, have voted in six elections, may have even raised a family of her own. But she chose to complain when she felt humiliated, and paid for it.

What lesson does her fate hold out for other young women in our schools and colleges, work-places, playgrounds? Shut up and suffer silently if some old uncleji feels you up? Particularly if he happens to be powerful, even more so if he is a cop? And mind you, this did not happen in some impenetrable political jungle of western Bihar. This happened in an upper middle class suburb, the kind of place people like us inhabit.

The then Haryana chief minister Om Prakash Chautala's reasoning for not removing or suspending Rathore was typically ludicrous. The CBI, he said, is famous for framing people with fictional chargesheets he should know now, serving a 10-year sentence, convicted in a corruption case filed by the CBI. He wasn't then willing to answer any of the questions we raised: in which civilised society would you expect as your DGP a man accused of molesting a 14-year-old who eventually committed suicide, whose brother's life was devastated with trumped up cases, whose father went into hiding? Which parent, and which child, would feel safe in that state anymore? What view would that state's police sub-inspectors and station house officers take of all the reforms the courts and the human rights bodies have brought about in the police's treatment of women? As such, Haryana is not a state known to possess the most polite policemen in the country. Now, when they see their government toss aside the National Human Rights Commission's strong suggestions to remove the DGP based on a series of reports then in The Indian Express or the Central Vigilance Commission's advice to do so, they would draw obvious inferences.

Who was to tell Chautala any of this? The BJP, which then supported his government in the state, demanded Rathore's removal, but he couldn't care less. Following his chargesheet in 2000, Rathore proceeded on long leave and two years later, he retired. For him, it was life as usual. It still is.

This wasn't merely one more case of police highhandedness and political protectionism. It raised some very special and interesting questions. First of all, why wasn't there, in the media and Parliament, the kind of outrage that would have erupted had Rathore been a politician instead of a senior IPS officer? The Supreme Court and Narasimha Rao had in the same period, made an entire legion of ministers resign because they had been chargesheeted in the hawala case, which was like a minor traffic offence compared to child molestation. Why should the same principle not apply to senior civil servants and policemen, we asked. Innocent until proven guilty, but step aside from authority or a position of power where you could influence the case, and damage the credibility of institutions.

The second question was an even nastier one, but more relevant in the context of Chandigarh. This case dragged on for a decade-and-a-half. Why did it not evoke one-hundredth of the kind of protest that the Rupan Deol Bajaj-K.P.S. Gill case did?

It is nobody's case that one kind of sexual harassment is different, or lesser or greater, in its severity than any other. But Rupan was a senior IAS officer and more capable of defending herself against a DGP than a 14-year-old child on the tennis courts at Panchkula. We didn't see any women's organisations, civil libertarians, legal luminaries that hit the streets on the Rupan case come out for Ruchika. Much of the initial impetus in the Rupan case had come from members of the civil service in Chandigarh, so outraged at so blatant a case of sexual harassment. They were all silent for four years while the file on Rathore's prosecution was put in deep freeze, while Ruchika's kid brother was being tortured and buried under false cases. Some may have been going out to play tennis with Rathore. If they had shown even a fraction of the outrage they had in the Rupan case, Ruchika would likely have been alive today.

We had then said that for Vajpayee and Advani (prime minister and home minister then), honourable, middle-class people with sound family values and great personal integrity, the facts were clear enough. They needed to only look at a mere chronology of events. If, after that, they did not find enough reason to force Chautala to move his DGP aside, or at least dissociate from him if he refused to listen, it could only mean that, as politicians, they were no different from the others. They could, I had written, go and see, along with their families, Mahesh Manjrekar's Kurukshetra, which is all about a chief minister fighting to save his rapist son, killing his victim in the hospital, destroying her family. Bollywood is not particularly known for political understatement, but when you go home and review the facts of the Panchkula story, you would wonder how fast real life is catching up with cinema. And you would feel ashamed.

Epilogue: The case went through many phases of dilution after Ruchika's suicide. Her brother never recovered from repeated police "treatment in the fake cases. But because some in the media persisted and shamed the "system enough so it wouldn't let Rathore go scot-free, he was finally convicted in 2009 under the lightest IPC sections (then) of molestation and handed a six-month jail sentence with a minor fine.

It was this man whose picture you saw on the Republic Day stage at Panchkula as a VIP guest. I know Chief Minister Manohar Lal Khattar to be a most decent human being. I cannot see why this won't outrage a man as upright and proper as Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh. The least they can do is call to account whoever not merely normalised a molestation convict like this, but put him on the VIP pedestal on the day we celebrate the founding of the Republic, the adoption of its great Constitution, and the system of laws and decencies rooted in it. And make sure this doesn't happen again.

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: Son_of_Sultan

Let's wait and see

Can be all made up, false accusations are very common




No they are not ..

Yes false accusations happen but they are not common
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: MoonOrchid

Thank you... you get it.

...and to those taking from my long post (with discussion on VVC and Anupama openly supporting the girl, many serious writers writing about this and so on) just the part about Sanju being a mysoginistic movie... wow... I hope it never happens to YOu.

because it happened to ME ( I am sure I have mentioned this before).
I worked at a national HUGE company everyone knew and admired this BOSS I had for he was funny, jovial made a lot of money for the company (he's part owner).
On NEW YEAR EVE HE ASSAULTED ME. He invited me into his office whilst we were all celebrating, under the auspices he had to discuss something about the new release. HE simply locked the door thern and tried to grope/kiss (have sex?) with me. Yeah he was inebriated but SO WHAT?
I trioed to get him off me, he became more insistent, then I ran round his office and SCREAMED. I was lucky a cleaning lady heard and called securioty and they BANGED on the door.
HE then unlocked the door- only then!- and I left yet was too traumatized to tell anyone. Told my friends the next day- no one believed me - because he LOOKS INOFFENSIVE and is SUCH A NICE GUY and so well known, makes SO MUCH MONEY. Freaking hell!
Took me a few years to get over this and didn';t have much chance- even after I told the other owner.. he just said he'd have a word.. but everyone knew he was targetting me for some time. My job became unbearable and I changed jobs rather than stay.. although I didn't for some time as I needed the money./
SO YES. you CAN be abused and still stay for a time. Even if you HATE it. And men like these DO GET AWAY with it.
The darn thing even tried to go after me again later, told me again in drunken state that not many women escape him.
He was taken care of later, don't worry. But I have left that job that I loved because of him and his cronies that KNEW and did NOTHIGN to help women like me.
I hope he rots in HELL.
With Hirani- we shall see.. But it is HARD to prove these thin gs, so most of us stay quiet. Or leave the job.


I'm so sorry to hear your story . ...Unfortunately I've heard from many of my friends many such similar things . . . What people don't realise is the lasting impact it has on the woman ... There is a friend of mine who simply refuses to work in an office anymore .. She works in her family business even though it is not her area of interest ... Strength to you and hope that asshole finds hiscomeuppance someday... . .. .

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