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Posted: 7 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: srkat




Sorry, but to say that Salman's superstardom days are over is completely incorrect, especially when his film last December took a 30+ crore opening and went on to do 340 crore lifetime. You don't get those numbers without superstardom. He consistently gives 30+ crore openers, and his PRDP still has the record opening. He consistently gives Blockbusters and has a mass crazy fan following, as will be seen again this Friday when Race 3 releases. The under performers and failures you mention are still much bigger grossers than what the majority of Bollywood actors are capable of delivering!





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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: srkat


Tubelight was not a art/niche film, but there is no denying that it lacked the mass-appealing ingredients that appeal to Salman fans. There was no macho Salman in this film: no action scenes, no super hit item songs, no glamorous heroine...he was shown weak and crying throughout the film, which his fans didn't like.

Bajrangi Bhaijaan had a lot more that would appeal to Salman's fans. It was similar to his 90s Rajshri blockbusters where he was playing the naive, innocent man, while at the same time, keeping his macho image (such as the fight sequence before interval and where he promises to take Munni back to Pakistan). There was also the super hit Selfie song.

Sorry, but to say that Salman's superstardom days are over is completely incorrect, especially when his film last December took a 30+ crore opening and went on to do 340 crore lifetime. You don't get those numbers without superstardom. He consistently gives 30+ crore openers, and his PRDP still has the record opening. He consistently gives Blockbusters and has a mass crazy fan following, as will be seen again this Friday when Race 3 releases. The under performers and failures you mention are still much bigger grossers than what the majority of Bollywood actors are capable of delivering!

Regarding IMDB, Dhoom 3 has 5.4/10, but went on to do 260 crore nett, becoming the biggest grosser ever when it released. Judwaa 2, released a few months ago, has 4/10 IMDB, but was a Super Hit and did 130+ crore nett. Hell, Golmaal Again has 5/10 IMDB, yet crossed the 200 crore mark and became the biggest Diwali grosser ever. My point is, the majority of the audience in India exists outside of IMDB: the mass audience, who watch films for entertainment, which Race 3 will give them in abundance. The masses are the ones to make these films big grossers, not the smaller class audience!



Still, Bajrangi Bhaijaan wasn't a typical Salman film when it was released, was it? Because before BB, Salman was only doing Hardcore action masala films. Fight sequences were barely there in BB. As for songs, I agree that Tubelight didn't have any chartbuster songs, but are Race 3 songs any classics?

Films don't run only because of fans. There is a large number of neutral audience, who watch movies for content or entertainment, than die-hard fans who watch it only for their favourite star.

Again, TZH didn't make 340 Crores only because of Salman's stardom. It got Christmas holiday, franchise factor, great WOM and one month free run to sustain that WOM.

By superstardom days, I meant the period between Dabangg to ETT, when his craps were also making money. After that his star power is same like Aamir and even SRK who is considered a Flop actor on this forum. Aamir gives bigger grossers, but the credit is given to content, but if Salman gives such big grossers, it is all because of Salman according to people? SRK too can give such huge grossing films imo, if he stars in the right film. If Salman's stardom is everything, and content and holidays don't matter, then Jai Ho and Tubelight should also got Blockbuster status, one being released on Eid, and another a masala film?

Didn't HNY also got a similar opening like PRDP? So here it's Diwali holiday that worked more than Salman's stardom.

The underperformers I mentioned all got a Solo release, two were released on big Holidays, and two were mass appealing films.

Movies rated above 5 on IMDB are still better, but 4/10 is really low. According to me, Judwaa 2 was an underperformer. The movie starred the new bankable star Varun Dhawan, released on Gandhi Jayanti, had mass appeal, franchise factor and was cashing on nostalgia. Still it's collections were same as the content and WOM film "Toilet", which had a lower opening than Judwaa 2.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Luna46


Still, Bajrangi Bhaijaan wasn't a typical Salman film when it was released, was it? Because before BB, Salman was only doing Hardcore action masala films. Fight sequences were barely there in BB. As for songs, I agree that Tubelight didn't have any chartbuster songs, but are Race 3 songs any classics?

Films don't run only because of fans. There is a large number of neutral audience, who watch movies for content or entertainment, than die-hard fans who watch it only for their favourite star.

Again, TZH didn't make 340 Crores only because of Salman's stardom. It got Christmas holiday, franchise factor, great WOM and one month free run to sustain that WOM.

By superstardom days, I meant the period between Dabangg to ETT, when his craps were also making money. After that his star power is same like Aamir and even SRK who is considered a Flop actor on this forum. Aamir gives bigger grossers, but the credit is given to content, but if Salman gives such big grossers, it is all because of Salman according to people? SRK too can give such huge grossing films imo, if he stars in the right film. If Salman's stardom is everything, and content and holidays don't matter, then Jai Ho and Tubelight should also got Blockbuster status, one being released on Eid, and another a masala film?

Didn't HNY also got a similar opening like PRDP? So here it's Diwali holiday that worked more than Salman's stardom.

The underperformers I mentioned all got a Solo release, two were released on big Holidays, and two were mass appealing films.

Movies rated above 5 on IMDB are still better, but 4/10 is really low. According to me, Judwaa 2 was an underperformer. The movie starred the new bankable star Varun Dhawan, released on Gandhi Jayanti, had mass appeal, franchise factor and was cashing on nostalgia. Still it's collections were same as the content and WOM film "Toilet", which had a lower opening than Judwaa 2.



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Race 3 looks all flawed. Opening weekend should be very big and downfall. I think max 200 Crs for this one.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Luna46


Still, Bajrangi Bhaijaan wasn't a typical Salman film when it was released, was it? Because before BB, Salman was only doing Hardcore action masala films. Fight sequences were barely there in BB. As for songs, I agree that Tubelight didn't have any chartbuster songs, but are Race 3 songs any classics?

Films don't run only because of fans. There is a large number of neutral audience, who watch movies for content or entertainment, than die-hard fans who watch it only for their favourite star.

Again, TZH didn't make 340 Crores only because of Salman's stardom. It got Christmas holiday, franchise factor, great WOM and one month free run to sustain that WOM.

By superstardom days, I meant the period between Dabangg to ETT, when his craps were also making money. After that his star power is same like Aamir and even SRK who is considered a Flop actor on this forum. Aamir gives bigger grossers, but the credit is given to content, but if Salman gives such big grossers, it is all because of Salman according to people? SRK too can give such huge grossing films imo, if he stars in the right film. If Salman's stardom is everything, and content and holidays don't matter, then Jai Ho and Tubelight should also got Blockbuster status, one being released on Eid, and another a masala film?

Didn't HNY also got a similar opening like PRDP? So here it's Diwali holiday that worked more than Salman's stardom.

The underperformers I mentioned all got a Solo release, two were released on big Holidays, and two were mass appealing films.

Movies rated above 5 on IMDB are still better, but 4/10 is really low. According to me, Judwaa 2 was an underperformer. The movie starred the new bankable star Varun Dhawan, released on Gandhi Jayanti, had mass appeal, franchise factor and was cashing on nostalgia. Still it's collections were same as the content and WOM film "Toilet", which had a lower opening than Judwaa 2.


Race 3 songs (Heeriye and Allah Duhaai Hai) are definitely more popular than Tubelight's songs, which only had Radio as somewhat of a hit song.

Die-hard fans and neutral fans make the difference. Die-hard Salman fans can take his films to the 200 crore mark, and the addition of the neutral fans can take his film to the 300 crore mark.No one is saying that TZH did 340 crores only because of Salman's star power. The WOM was very positive. BUT, if you put Dino Morea in Salman Khan's role, how much would the film have collected in total lifetime collections? 5 crores, perhaps by luck? THAT is the difference in Salman's star power, and what separates him from the rest. Yes, the CONTENT/WOM got the film to reach the 340 mark, but that big PUSH can only come from Salman's stardom!

The point you are missing here is that OPENING defines STARPOWER. You say that Salman's superstardom days are over, but when he is constantly giving 20/30 crore openers, what does that suggest? He gives the biggest opening days in the industry, and Race 3 taking the biggest opening day of the year just cemented that yet again. His PRDP still has the record opening of 39 crores. Again, like my last example, if Dino Morea was in TZH, the opening may have been what? 1 crore? The film wouldn't have gotten ANYWHERE near the 300 crore mark then. It's Salman's SUPERSTARDOM that the film opened at 34 crores, and THEN because of the positive WOM, the film was able to push through to 340 crores, and of course, you can add in those other facts then like Christmas, free weeks, etc

Audience tastes change. Would a film like Bodyguard become a Blockbuster in today's time? Maybe. Maybe not. But Salman Khan's phenomenal opening day numbers have remained constant, whether its 2011 or 2018!

PRDP did come day after Diwali day, but again, fans are paying to see the film based on who's in it, not based on what festival it is.

I wouldn't call Judwaa 2 an under performer. A Super Hit film grossing 130+ crore, starring a relatively younger/new star, without one of the 3 big festivals (EDX) is a great result!

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Posted: 7 years ago
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dude weeked was 100 plus cr
monday is kinda 14 -15 cr

whats ur adjusted life time now

180+???
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Bhai's written off stardom gets him 100 cr. opening weekend 🤣 Written-off stardom crosses lifetime of superstars in 2 days. 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: I_M_SultaN

dude weeked was 100 plus cr

monday is kinda 14 -15 cr

whats ur adjusted life time now

180+???


Somewhere around the 180 mark is the figure I have in mind for the lifetime collections at the moment. The WOM has been more negative than I was expecting...
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Posted: 7 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: srkat

Lifetime Collections: 270 crore nett

Overall Verdict: Blockbuster


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