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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Kamala05

If you are a keen observer you can sense the negative vibes when they are around . I can feel it and I usually stay away from them , what astonished me is my 9 month old nephew cries at the sight of the lady who is rumoured to practice black magic .
I still don't know whether black magic is effective, but I know many people not just aunties even few knowledgeable people like my guide who believes that they can harm us .One thing is sure there is negative energy and positive energy, whether one can channelise it against another person is not proven though .


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Kamala..who is your guide? This is second time you mention. Is it a guru? I've heard of spirit guides but no experience of them personally. Someone I know though says they can distinguish their spirit guide.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: pakeezah





How did they explain three different voices coming from one person?

The baba was doing it?

And what did the child see. Can a child make up things like that?

So the lady wanted attention and made up her mental illness to make her relatives take to a baba? What happens when she gets cured. And how did the cure take place.




They said the voices are from 3 different spirits. My relatives and all those people who had gathered believed in that. I don't.

The other child saw ... some spirit I think, they were talking about someone who will take those spirits in that woman away and that child will get to see it. So, I remember the other kid said she saw a man taking away another spirit.
And like I said, it becomes very difficult to say no after a while because everyone's looking at you and expecting you to see something. We were so young that when adults seem to expect something from you at that age, you feel like something's wrong with you if you can't do it. I know I felt like saying yes but didn't cuz I didn't want to lie. So, it is possible my friend lied. She didn't have to make anything up, just keep saying yes. Because they kept asking can you see him? Can you see a white shadow? etc.

I believe that in the rural areas, women do this for attention and because they have seen others do it. Since they never get much importance otherwise, they get a sort of special treatment if people think they are possessed. They can make people agree to some demands maybe. I have seen that after they are cured, they become normal, no more fits. But after some time, they get possessed again. Usually gets resolved after someone does the exorcism again and they get what they want.

My maid's daughter-in-law gets these fits and the maid takes her to their village where she meets her family and gets well again. Of course some baba is involved too. But usually, she will get her mom to come with her and becomes okay. Gets possessed again when she needs to visit her village after some time.

I'm saying women because usually, especially in rural areas, they don't have much of a standing in the society. But happens with men too. And I feel like they do it more because they have seen others do it. They know how it should look like, what should be their body language and what kind of voices should come out. And they just do it like Vidya's character in Bhool Bhulaiya. It is a mental illness.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: pakeezah


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Kamala..who is your guide? This is second time you mention. Is it a guru? I've heard of spirit guides but no experience of them personally. Someone I know though says they can distinguish their spirit guide.

No , He is PHD supervisor , a well known Sociologist .
Regarding Guru, as I used to meditate often without a proper guidance once my flat mate encouraged me to join in a meditation course and there I met a spiritual Guru , I thought I would be a blind follower because he have answered many questions which was disturbing me that too very logically , moreover the meditation with proper guidance was more effective too . However, when I learned more about him the tendency to follow him blindly cooled down .People can guide us in few matters but considering someone as Guru and following their words blindly never works for me.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: astha36


They said the voices are from 3 different spirits. My relatives and all those people who had gathered believed in that. I don't.

The other child saw ... some spirit I think, they were talking about someone who will take those spirits in that woman away and that child will get to see it. So, I remember the other kid said she saw a man taking away another spirit.
And like I said, it becomes very difficult to say no after a while because everyone's looking at you and expecting you to see something. We were so young that when adults seem to expect something from you at that age, you feel like something's wrong with you if you can't do it. I know I felt like saying yes but didn't cuz I didn't want to lie. So, it is possible my friend lied. She didn't have to make anything up, just keep saying yes. Because they kept asking can you see him? Can you see a white shadow? etc.

I believe that in the rural areas, women do this for attention and because they have seen others do it. Since they never get much importance otherwise, they get a sort of special treatment if people think they are possessed. They can make people agree to some demands maybe. I have seen that after they are cured, they become normal, no more fits. But after some time, they get possessed again. Usually gets resolved after someone does the exorcism again and they get what they want.

My maid's daughter-in-law gets these fits and the maid takes her to their village where she meets her family and gets well again. Of course some baba is involved too. But usually, she will get her mom to come with her and becomes okay. Gets possessed again when she needs to visit her village after some time.

I'm saying women because usually, especially in rural areas, they don't have much of a standing in the society. But happens with men too. And I feel like they do it more because they have seen others do it. They know how it should look like, what should be their body language and what kind of voices should come out. And they just do it like Vidya's character in Bhool Bhulaiya. It is a mental illness.


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The women's motivation is getting attention. And the men's motive is mental illness. Poor men.
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Posted: 7 years ago
I've seen women coming to a temple to get cured. Nothing will make me stay near when they start shaking and screaming. And having fits on the floor. I rather do my worship when the coast is clear.

I did see a young boy once at the temple who had to come back from abroad because he acted strange. He was almost cured by then by coming to temple. When the priest asked him to describe, he said a girl visits him and takes him to a lonely deserted place trees are bare, no grass where he can hear crows crowing and bats flying around in a darkish sky.


It was intriguing because someone totally unrelated to this had before mentioned getting sucked into hole in ground during a nightmare, old hag syndrome, and seeing exact same place, same sound of crows and bats flying.

The second time I heard this I started wondering if maybe there is such a thing. Any place beyond this dimension.


@astha - your experience is intriguing too because there is exact same thing mentioned by a practicing veteran psychiatrist Indian doctor in Wheeling Oregon USA I saw her interview on net. Dr shakuntala Modi. She said when she hypnotized her patient to get to root of depression problem, patient said i am her father, I got trapped in here, so she asked god to take the spirit into the light, and also if there are other spirits there and there were so the angels guided the one spirit to take hand of other spirits and pull them out too! It's same process you described.

Here is her interview

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MucZSbBUbSM

What you mentioned from 4:24 inwards

I understand people's skepticism. It me a few years back. I was same. But not now. I got into mediation and a healing practise and in our center while people were healing someone, one or two got themselves throttled by a force, while patient is sitting there motionless. Everyone had to rush to rescue. Another healer got physically attacked by the till now gentle patient during course of healing. After the episode patient isn't remembering one thing what went on. Due to this, many left meditation out of fear, because they don't know what they are dealing with. But others continued. They overpowered whatever it was attacking, by prayer and the patient also got better.

Reason I am giving info is people suffer so much about this and they don't know what is going.on. if this info will help one person suffering. Whether anxiety, financial crises, relationship problem, cancer, heart disease then a good thing had happened. No one is forcing a belief. It's not possible to make unbeliever believe. But those who feel maybe there is root of problem in black magic or spirit possession..information is valuable. Hence I have shared what I did.

Like this lady doctor herself says who knows what is going on but if someone who is suffering like hell. And spent years and money being treated unsuccessfully, and with the release of a so called spirit they are cured, that's what is important.




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Posted: 7 years ago
Kamala: Maybe your nephew is crying for some other reason?? Maybe it's a coincidence?? I am not doubting your perception, just that often it can be confirmation bias at play too- We see what we want to see/what we believe in.

I do believe that there is definitely negative & positive energy. There are people we meet who drain us/we don't feel good meeting them, and then people who uplift us but my experience has been one of rationality/psychological, not paranormal or anything in that realm, hence my deep curiosity about such subjects.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@pakeezah: In the last para, I tried to say that even though I kept mentioning women in my post, it applies to men too. The mental illness part is for both of them. They try to get attention but it is a mental illness. It may not be an intentional fraud. They may actually think they are possessed but they just do it because it is so commonplace from where they come from.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: pakeezah




@astha - your experience is intriguing too because there is exact same thing mentioned by a practicing veteran psychiatrist Indian doctor in Wheeling Oregon USA I saw her interview on net. Dr shakuntala Modi. She said when she hypnotized her patient to get to root of depression problem, patient said i am her father, I got trapped in here, so she asked god to take the spirit into the light, and also if there are other spirits there and there were so the angels guided the one spirit to take hand of other spirits and pull them out too! It's same process you described.





This is unbelievable.
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Posted: 7 years ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MucZSbBUbSM
Very fascinating! Two worlds apart, same procedure. At least no one can say this dr and the pandit in India collaborated to create a hoax.
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Posted: 7 years ago
It's not a good idea to accuse random women we don't know of practising Black Magic. I said that during Kangna time too.

India is a deeply superstitious land and we ostracize, kill women leading witch hunts even now in all levels of society.

Let us not play into the patriarchal nonsense which was propagated initially to deprive of women of their money and property or silence strong women.

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