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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Padfoot_Prongs

dietary habit thing is common though which changes region per region. Having ajwain during too much pain, not eating mirchi (green and red) near periods are few things which are commonly known. My dadi mom used to tell many things to control pain. Old people do know these things alot. We just dont pay much attention

ginger too helps. As ginger breaks clots (its has anti coagulant properties) streamlines the flow and there isn't much cramping.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#12
Also, ear piercings were supposed to help with the pain. But only when done by those experienced people who wandered the streets and done with a needle or copper wire.
That's why ear piercing if not done sooner was mandatory when a girl started her period.
Gun piercings destroy the energy meridian.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: ---Betty---

"It is from these women that we LEARNT how menstruation should be revered, how the first period should be celebrated, how the quality of menstrual blood can be a great indicator of our overall health, how we can prevent menstrual pain through simple dietary methods, how to manage the bleeding naturallyand how our menstrual cycles are meant to sync with the earth's natural cycles."


Wow - Why don't they spread that knowledge to the outside world... Most educated women are not aware of that



"No paper which surveyed Indian women found evidence of using sand, husk or ash as menstrual absorbent."

That's good... How does Ashes and Sand help anyway?



@red : The problem is that we have stopped listening to our grand mothers and their nuskha's. WE try to ape the western culture so easily and are always doubtful about anything indian n traditional.

Even in eating habits, we use olive oil, but stop eating desi ghee, thinking its full of cholestrol, but actually desi ghee made from cow's milk contains HDL, which when consumed in proper quantity can actually make heart healthy.

@blue : Yea, never heard of these things being used, dont seem those wud help much too.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Padfoot_Prongs

dietary habit thing is common though which changes region per region. Having ajwain during too much pain, not eating mirchi (green and red) near periods are few things which are commonly known. My dadi mom used to tell many things to control pain. Old people do know these things alot. We just dont pay much attention



so true, Nani and Dadi's nuskha's used to be the best...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjs



@red : The problem is that we have stopped listening to our grand mothers and their nuskha's. WE try to ape the western culture so easily and are always doubtful about anything indian n traditional.

Even in eating habits, we use olive oil, but stop eating desi ghee, thinking its full of cholestrol, but actually desi ghee made from cow's milk contains HDL, which when consumed in proper quantity can actually make heart healthy.

@blue : Yea, never heard of these things being used, dont seem those wud help much too.

i asked my 90 year old grandmom. She comes from a rural background. Ash sand were never used as menstrual absorbants according to her. They used cloth pads, washed them in hot water n dried them under sun which i guess is the principle of reusable cloth pads that are newly emerging in the market.
I still remember eating sweets made of desi ghee when i got my first period upto a couple of adolescent years passed. Til laddoo, urad dal laddoo with desi ghee.. Til-jaggery laddoo has iron ..
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I think that woman is being very extreme in her judgment. There isn't one way that is good and the others bad. If she wants to ge back to the "basis" be my guest but their a reason some customs have been left behind as it didn't fit the more active lifestyle people have nowadays. Women used to stay in the vinicity of their home when it's not the case anymore so some things that used to work might be outdated.
A. Muruganantham primarly invented this machine because of his wife. I also remember reading that he didn't sell his invention to multinational corporations who were interested by his idea but that he provided them to women who make pads with it and thus have an income from the production and sell.
I don't think his aim was to find glory by such means when he ended up a divorcee and the laugh of town. He himself comes from quite a poor background so having him become someone shameful who took advantage of others misery is too much.


The opening phrasing of the article shocked me because the women didn't say her daughter didn't need sanitary pads but that she (the mother) was offended because the sanitary pads were cheaps ones and not the premium ones one could find in the market.

A. Muruganantham has never claimed that his product was perfect (then again, I may not have stumbled into such a piece of news) but that he found the way to make affordable LOW COST sanitary pads. Low costs products are most often than not of lesser quality as the primary material and the effectiveness of the final product are not up to par with what is already available on the market. Low costs products are a means to have a part of the population have access to a product they wouldn't have access to otherwise.

The writer said she has travelled 8 years and met over 20K women across 8 states and goes to point out the locations of some of the places visited. She seems to overlook the fact that India is a such a huge country that 20K women can hardly make up an echantillon of what's happening in some places. Is she conveniently forgetting women of low income from cities as well? Do they have "tribal/ancestral" knowledge to deal with their menstruations or were those knowledged lost? Some women from rural area too might not have those knowledge and if A. Muruganantham's foray has been successful, it might be because his product answered to a need.

She seriously pisses me off because she conveniently forgets those girls and women who are in dire conditions because of the stigma and taboo surrounding periods.
Yeah, no one like when it's country is being pointed out for negative stuffs, but it has to happen for things to change.
It's easy for her to validate the statut quo when she's from a well to do family.
Her fight is good too but in I don't think it's the only to achieve the demystification of menstruations.

Miss Sinu Joseph might have good attentions but bringing down other people's work and their personnal moral and ethics is low. She comes off as a know it all who'll only validate someone's work and ideas if it follows her train of thougths
I wonder what she's using during her menstruations...


She can't even be taken seriously when it comes to number because REALLY!?! 18% of indian women is still far more than 52% of english women...
Edited by Maraka_Musso89 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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https://ecofemme.org/eco-femmes-response-to-sinu-josephs-blog-why-india-doesnt-need-the-sanitary-napkin-revolution/


eco femme's response to sinu joseph's blog "why india doesn't need the sanitary napkin revolution.


ECO FEMME'S RESPONSE TO SINU JOSEPH'S BLOG "WHY INDIA DOESN'T NEED THE SANITARY NAPKIN REVOLUTION.
Eco Femme's response to Sinu Joseph's blog
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In July 2015, Sinu Joseph a menstrual hygiene educator based in Bangalore posted a provocative blog on Swarajya online magazine titled "Why India doesn't need the sanitary napkin revolution:

http://swarajyamag.com/culture/why-india-doesnt-need-the-sanitary-napkin-revolution/

While this article did raise a number of important issues that speak to certain problems in the way menstruation is being addressed in India, it tends to be reductionistic and oversimplistic in its analysis and at times, generalisations are made that are not even true. This response is an attempt to widen the discourse and offers some other perspectives, also rooted in years of extensive field work in menstrual education and research in rural India.

We think context is the key word here. Menstrual Hygiene Management is obviously a really complex space to work in because to enter these waters means to touch on a rich matrix that includes culture, health, environmental and economic considerations as we like to say, you cannot pull on one string without impacting the whole fabric. There are certainly some truths in what Sinu has mentioned, especially in the tendency to dramatize and judge menstrual practices as being poor or unsanitary because they don't conform to a sanitized western ideal; this is an important point that people working in this space need to be mindful of. As is the last point she makes about allowing women to decide for themselves.

What is concerning in this article, however, are the sweeping generalizations and lack of distinction making as well as the tone of superiority and scathing judgments which make the whole article come across as reactive and do not serve the space which Sinu, us, or others are trying to work in.

As a basic orienting principle, we believe that what is most important is to truly listen to those we seek to serve and suspend judgment in order to understand whether a practice is working for a woman and whether or not it has adverse health consequences. This is not a value judgment but rather a process of carefully navigating through a deep listening and insight into the experience a woman is having as a result of the practice she is following.

Sinu writes: "Menstrual practices are often spoken of as the result of a patriarchal society in India which is deliberately attempting to suppress women. However, our interactions with women of the Golla Community in Karnataka, revealed that women chose these practices in spite of men telling them that they have a choice.

To this we would say, if that's true and women do choose happily to follow their practices without coercion, then let's leave them alone. But what to do when this is not the case when a woman feels negatively affected, physically or psychologically by a practice she inherited but does not feel at home with? We have seen this repeatedly even among a group of closely connected rural women: their experience of the same practice differs. For example, while some women may welcome a break that ritual exclusion affords, another woman feels degraded by that same practice. We must not fall into the other extreme trap of glorifying all traditional practices without distinction.

On the subject of products, a similar debate can follow. We fully agree and believe that cloth is a sustainable and healthy menstrual care solution and wouldn't dream of advocating for women to replace this option in order to buy a cloth pad. Before starting production and entering the marketplace in rural India with cloth pads, we conducted extensive research partnering with organisations across Tamil Nadu to really try and understand what the basic practices were and if there was any need or interest for a cloth pad the last thing we were interested in was manufacturing a need as we were quite frankly delighted that the practice of using cloth was still alive in India. What we discovered though, through countless interviews, focus groups and rigorous product testing with over 700 rural women and adolescent girls, is that women and girls frequently reported real limitations with the recycled cloth they use especially concerns about leaking and the fact that the cloth does not stay securely in place. This is one reason why many (not all) women are motivated to switch to disposable pads: because design has overcome these limitations. The disposable pads do the job better and make their lives actually easier. I therefore think it is extremely naive to suggest that the need for effective menstrual products is purely manufactured. Again this is a very nuanced point; basically there is some truth in the way need is manufactured but that is not the whole story. Women with very little money would not part with it only because an advert or NGO told them to they see real functional advantages of using a disposable pad and this needs to be looked at squarely and not dismissed as only a case of women being duped by foreign Multi-National Corporations trying to make a profit.

Connected to this is another point that we feel cannot be left unaddressed; that is the fact that India IS facing a huge mountain of non biodegradable sanitary waste and while statistically the numbers may seem small for now, this is increasing rapidly. We conduct most of our menstrual health awareness sessions in schools in rural Tamil Nadu. Last week we conducted a session with girls in a government school where 100% of girls use disposable pads. The majority of these use branded products that are essentially made of plastic. There is however no viable way to get rid of these products. We have seen again and again that when given a choice and when presented with accurate information about the chemicals and plastics inside a branded sanitary napkin, girls are intuitively concerned about their health and the environmental impact associated with disposal. And here the argument to personal choice and freedom is also interesting because just where do you draw the line when someone's personal practice leaves a damaging consequence for others to deal with long after the individual has stopped doing that thing? We think therefore that this is a point that starts to go beyond personal and individual preference and needs a contextual look can India without proper waste disposal mechanisms keep embracing disposable pads as the only other option alongside old cloth? We don't think so. When Sinu proposes to "leave it to women to decide what (product) they wish to use. our response is, sounds liberal but is choice without full knowledge of consequences really a fair choice?

Finally we wonder, why in the world would an organization promote reusable products in one country, citing environmental reasons, and disposable in another? (And which organization for that matter...?) A main claim of this article is that foreign organizations' promote the need for sanitary napkins in India but promote reusable products in their own countries; this is simply not true! If we're talking about P&G (Whisper) and Johnson&Johnson (Stayfree), they do not make, sell or advocate reusable products in any country and have no ties to smaller western-based reusable product companies (like Luna Pads, Diva Cup, Moon Cup, Glad Rags, Ruby Cup) which sell onlyreusable products to anyone around the world.

Our wish here is not to malign Sinu and her work honestly we have been impressed with her work and being a rare voice for allowing women and girls to speak for themselves and to represent their own needs at a time when so many organizations are attempting to enter and "solve India's menstrual health "problems from afar she is somehow speaking to a real issue. This particular article however is unfortunately very biased and certain points require countering to bring balance and a wider perspective to this really complex topic.

By Kathy Walkling and Jessamijn Miedema, Founders, Eco Femme.

Edited by Maraka_Musso89 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I would rather use the cheap pad and change it every hour...than washing the blood soaked cloths and dry them to be used again...has the writer of this article thought about it before doling out tons of shit?? Does she know that women are almost treated like untouchable for 5 days still in some parts of India...I guess she doesn't...i am guessing none of us passing judgments here have had the experience of washing those dirty cloths to be used again...just the thought of it is making me sick...imagine some women actually did/do it...
I would say ...don't compare those cheap pads with the expensive ones that we used...the branded pads...compare them with those dirty cloth pads which are washed again and again to be used again...

May be Mr Murangnathan didn't have enough resources...maybe he did what he could with whatever he had...he atleast tried his best...and what about the taboo part of periods...he fought against that to...that had nothing to do with the cheap pads but changing the mindsets of people...it was because of this man that atleast we are having this discussion all over the nation and maybe it will educate some who need the knowledge,
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: blue-ice.

I would rather use the cheap pad and change it every hour...than washing the blood soaked cloths and dry them to be used again...has the writer of this article thought about it before doling out tons of shit?? Does she know that women are almost treated like untouchable for 5 days still in some parts of India...I guess she doesn't...i am guessing none of us passing judgments here have had the experience of washing those dirty cloths to be used again...just the thought of it is making me sick...imagine some women actually did/do it...

I would say ...don't compare those cheap pads with the expensive ones that we used...the branded pads...compare them with those dirty cloth pads which are washed again and again to be used again...

May be Mr Murangnathan didn't have enough resources...maybe he did what he could with whatever he had...he atleast tried his best...and what about the taboo part of periods...he fought against that to...that had nothing to do with the cheap pads but changing the mindsets of people...it was because of this man that atleast we are having this discussion all over the nation and maybe it will educate some who need the knowledge,


THIS!!! I dont understand. People HAVE to find faults with EVERYTHING. 🥱
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Posted: 7 years ago
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The only good written in this thread is the reference to the ghee ladoos.❤️

There is a saying na, acchai ka jamana nahi raha, poor Arunachalam being judged because he wanted to do some good.
If he was really a charlatan, he would have been a millionaire today.

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