Bahubali 2's success shows up the north's ignorance of south - Page 16

Hindi is a foreign language to many regions just as English is. English is a neutral language. Labor class of South can't understand Hindi either. They will communicate with their government in the local languages. But labor class of certain regions can go to any other region and be accommodated. You love to diss on English, but North isn't doing away with English, are they? Yogi just made English compulsory from Class 1. No one is having a problem with that because it is useful. Hindi is one Indian language amongst many which is put above others with the design of dominating and eventually being *the* language.

Originally posted by: lailaMai

Hindi is a foreign language to many regions just as English is. English is a neutral language. Labor class of South can't understand Hindi either. They will communicate with their government in the local languages. But labor class of certain regions can go to any other region and be accommodated. You love to diss on English, but North isn't doing away with English, are they? Yogi just made English compulsory from Class 1. No one is having a problem with that because it is useful. Hindi is one Indian language amongst many which is put above others with the design of dominating and eventually being *the* language.

check your words , there is a difference between region and country!! hindi is a foreign language to many regions,but not the whole country!! english is a foreign language to our country and not one region.Because English is so widely spoken, it has often been referred to as a "world language". no one should have a problem in learning a world language!! but it isn't our regional language,you need to have one common regional language that dominates ,it doesn't have to be hindi but people chose hindi and you are not the majority of india!!you can take it out from your land if you want to and communicate in english with the 10% of indians out of 125 million when you have too the rest will be french for you and the rest of the 90% indians who come to your land!!

India is a UNION of states. Hindi is foreign to many states who oppose Hindi imposition. If a world language is learnt by everyone, as even UP is doing now, why do you need a common regional language? And I suppose by that you mean national, because Hindi is not a common regional language for South India.

People didn't choose Hindi. Leaders decided to impose Hindi and many states accepted only because English was given as the other option. Look at the superiority complex you are having. Listen, if South Indians want to go to other places, they will learn the language required in that land. When migration is happening TOWARDS South India, it's they migrants who need to learn how to communicate in the land.

You still have no answer to all I've pointed out about Hindi replacing local language, local language taken out, etc etc. Which means you don't care.

Keep on displaying this arrogance and Hindi Chauvinism. There is no point in discussing this with you any further.

India is a UNION of states. Hindi is foreign to many states who oppose Hindi imposition. If a world language is learnt by everyone, as even UP is doing now, why do you need a common regional language? And I suppose by that you mean national, because Hindi is not a common regional language for So

Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

You have missed the entire point of what has been said. What the article talks about is interconnected with Hindi imposition, the idea that Hindi=national and hence lack of knowledge of other areas, industries, etc by media themselves. Hindi film industry is viewed as the 'pan' India or national film industry due to Hindi imposition policies as well as government and media patronage to give that perception and view.

Then someone asked why there is discontent within South right now, and answer was that all are Indians but people are being silly, basically. But still within this, the idea that Hindi = India is promoted and considered as basic fact.

So then came explanation of why people are against Hindi imposition, and people like you want to either not read what people are saying, or if you do read don't care because you are hell bent on Hindi being crucial for Indian 'integration'--ignoring the fact that those policies are designed to put other languages to the lowest status.

All throughout the thread I said, whatever North wants to do with their languages is up to the people there. South and some other regions will protest at Hindi imposition in their own lands.

Local languages not given services in local banks, applications, jobs that don't require Hindi in non-Hindi lands still needing applicants to prove level of Hindi, etc etc. Schools being "recommended" to implement further Hindi education.

All the examples of local languages taken out in various areas, and instances of ONLY Hindi along Highway markers in South India--those are only a few of the many other examples. Without change to the special status to Hindi, this will not stop. Voices are raised now, Gov't will back up only on some things (but still continue imposing) Then in a few years, same thing will be attempted and will gain a bit then back away again, then again in a few years, then again...until they will have succeeded.

You can read through the thread if you haven't if you really want to know what the issue is if you want. If not., then don't.

I think you're missing the point too. First, you made his North vs South. It's not. The shoving 'Hindi' down everyone's throats is a problem in most non Hindi states, not just the south. Punjab for one has vehemently opposed Hindi forever. In fact speaking Hindi in Punjab is looked down upon, you're called a 'Bhaiya' and what not. But the fact is it's still the most widely spoken language in India, for now, until eventually English takes over and unlike some fundamentalists I don't believe Hindi is much of a threat to any other language. Bengali will always rule in WB and Tamil in TN, even if they learn some Hindi in school. If I had kids and lived in India I would want them to learn English, Hindi and my mother tongue, not because the Center says so but because it would help them in life.

To keep it short, I feel the hostility towards Hindi is rooted in fear that it will wipe out your or any other states own language but the threat is non existent because like I said before, the future is English and the world is shrinking. Hindi will be regional just like any other language in the future. But for now, learning Hindi can't hurt.

Originally posted by: lailaMai

Hindustan is nothing to do with any religion. It's exactly the same as India in Latin, which again means Land of Indus River. And people living in "Hindustan" are called Hindus in the Middle eastern tongues, relating to Indian in Latin borne languages.

The word Hindu is derived from the Indo-Aryan and Sanskrit word Sindhu, which means "a large body of water", covering "river, ocean".

No one said religion. What are you talking about? Why are you going on about religion? Hindustan is North Indian and Pakistan. That's what comprises of Hindustan.

South Indian languages are Dravidian.

Now you want to tell me Hindi, a young language is a regional language to South India?

I think you're missing the point too. First, you made his North vs South. It's not. The shoving 'Hindi' down everyone's throats is a problem in most non Hindi states, not just the south. Punjab for one has vehemently opposed Hindi forever. In fact speaking Hindi in Punjab is looked down upon, you're called a 'Bhaiya' and what not. But the fact is it's still the most widely spoken language in India, for now, until eventually English takes over and unlike some fundamentalists I don't believe Hindi is much of a threat to any other language. Bengali will always rule in WB and Tamil in TN, even if they learn some Hindi in school. If I had kids and lived in India I would want them to learn English, Hindi and my mother tongue, not because the Center says so but because it would help them in life.

To keep it short, I feel the hostility towards Hindi is rooted in fear that it will wipe out your or any other states own language but the threat is non existent because like I said before, the future is English and the world is shrinking. Hindi will be regional just like any other language in the future. But for now, learning Hindi can't hurt.

W*F. When did this become south vs north? when talent is discovered it works... if not... well too bad.

Originally posted by: guess.wh0

I think you're missing the point too. First, you made his North vs South. It's not. The shoving 'Hindi' down everyone's throats is a problem in most non Hindi states, not just the south. Punjab for one has vehemently opposed Hindi forever. In fact speaking Hindi in Punjab is looked down upon, you're called a 'Bhaiya' and what not. But the fact is it's still the most widely spoken language in India, for now, until eventually English takes over and unlike some fundamentalists I don't believe Hindi is much of a threat to any other language. Bengali will always rule in WB and Tamil in TN, even if they learn some Hindi in school. If I had kids and lived in India I would want them to learn English, Hindi and my mother tongue, not because the Center says so but because it would help them in life.

To keep it short, I feel the hostility towards Hindi is rooted in fear that it will wipe out your or any other states own language but the threat is non existent because like I said before, the future is English and the world is shrinking. Hindi will be regional just like any other language in the future. But for now, learning Hindi can't hurt.

Punjab hasn't vehemently opposed Hindi in implementation. Hindi actually has largely won out in imposition. You believe spoken language is enough. Where is the support for the written language in official spaces? But if they are okay with it, that's them. But why tell South Indians who oppose that they shouldn't oppose? And it's not just telling, then comes the superiority and high-handedness, in HOW DARE they oppose this? We are doing this for their own good. They have no say over their language implementation, it should be what WE decide/say is best.

You are going on about English being the future, but then have some problem with opposing Hindi imposition. Sweden, Norway, Iceland and many other countries have large populations who know English, still they are not going away from their own languages. But even so, if English is the future to you and nothing else matters, then what is your issue when Hindi is opposed if English is going to take over all of it anyway.

Kids can survive without Hindi, and if they need to or want to, they will learn. No one is stopping anyone from learning Hindi if they want. But imposed learning leads to imposed implementation on non-Hindi states.

Frankly, I find it hilarious that North Indians are called ignorant of the South when ya'll are the ones that keep referring yourself to as South Indians.

Bahubali is a Telugu movie, it's as much of a Marathi film as it is Tamil. Yet all the South Indians want to take credit for it. A Bengali film is a Bengali film, a Marathi Marathi but a massive Blockbuster Bahubali is South Indian just so everyone can stick it to other regions.

Originally posted by: lailaMai

no one shoves hindi down the throats

the cbse structure 11th standard onwards!!

The learning areas will include:
I and II. Two Languages (Core/Elective) out of Hindi, English, Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Kashmiri, Kannada, Marathi, Malyalam, Manipuri, Oriya, Punjabi, Sindhi, Tamil, Telugu, Urdu, Sanskrit, Arabic, Persian, Limboo, Lepcha, Bhutia, Mizo, Tangkhul, Bodo, Nepali, Tibetan, French, German, Portuguese, Russian and Spanish.
Notes:
1. Out of the languages, one shall be English or Hindi, both English and Hindi can also be offered simultaneously.
2. The languages may be offered either at Core/Elective level. The same language, however cannot be offered both at the Core level and Elective level.
3. A candidate has the freedom to offer, in lieu of one of the two languages above, any other elective subject provided under III below.
Note:
English can be offered at any of the three levels given below:
1. English Core
2. English Elective NCERT
3. English Elective CBSE


Additional Subject:
A candidate can also offer an additional elective which may either be a language at elective level (out of those mentioned above) or, any other elective subject.

NOTE:- IT BASICALLY DEPENDS ON THE SCHOOL AS PER THE AVAILABILITY OF TEACHERS BUT IF YOU STRICTLY WANT AMONG THESE OPTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS WRITE TO CBSE AND YOU"LL BE PROVIDED WITH THE SUBJECT.

Why are you conveniently giving 11th standdard onwards?

Ignoring till then and then recent recommendations which we are supposed to just accept and believe will be rejected?

Ignoring what happens afterwards with applications, jobs, etc etc etc.