Originally posted by: pallavi25
In Rajesh Khanna's era, BW wasnt occupied by star sons and daughters and nephews...most of the stars in those days were industry outsiders who made it on the basis of their talent, looks and good movies made by great directors
Neither was Bollywood when SRK came on board. It was only starting. This whole star-children obsession started in the early 00s.
Regardless, that's not the point - SRK made it and there are few outsiders who can claim that. The likes of SRK and Akshay stand out. From the current lot, I can't think of anyone except Ranveer.
Wrong info abt Sallu being topped by Rajesh only...FYI, SRK's success rate is still 2nd only to Rajesh Khanna, Sallu is still far behind
We're not talking about success rate at all. It's about complete dominance at the BO. From 2009 until now, it's either Salman or Aamir with the top hits/grossers. Overall, if you look at it, 89, 91, 94, 99, 05, 10, 11, 12, 14, and 15 - all Salman movies
SRK has 93 (probs), 95, 96, 98, 02, 04, and 07. Aamir has 88, 90, 96, 08, 09, 13, and 14.
I've alreeady acknowledged that SRK is the most consistent star of the modern era, so don't see a need for a fuss.
[quote]REALLY? 😲 Says who? All the major critics went gaga over it, its the Indian audience which failed to appreciate it as it had no songs, dances or heroines. FAN IS A HIT overseas already. SRK has chosen content over masala in Fan but unfortunately the masala audience in India didnt appreciate it[/quote]
Fan was far from a content-based film and I really find it sad that people consider it, "different," just because it didn't have songs in it.
It could have been different had the tone of the 1st half continued in the 2nd half. The 2nd half was total Aryaan Khanna worship mode. Gaurav - the best part of the movie - was relegated to a side show. Gaurav is SRK's best performance since CDI. He was a natural. But the makers decided to turn the movie from a brooding thriller to a heist-type of a movie in the 2nd half with those useless chase scenes and typical Bollywood preach material.
It's nowhere near the likes of KHKN, Darr, Baazigar, CDI, Swades, etc. - some of SRK's best films.
The problem is that people don't realize what's masala and what's not. Fan wasn't a masala film. It wasn't a typical SRK film either, but that doesn't make it content-based. It was packaged as one. It didn't turn out to be the case.
If anything, look at Talaash. That was a content-based film.
SRK has done so many poor movies since MNIK, it's reached a stage where Fan is considered a good movie.
[quote]HNY was superhit, Dilwale semi-hit, Ra.One and JTHJ were also hits. So what disappointments are u talking abt? And why did u leave out the blockbuster Chennai Express in between?[/quote]
Don't know why you're getting so defensive. I didn't call HNY/Dilwale/RaOne/JTHJ flops. They were disappointments. They didn't match expectations. SRK is up against Salman and Aamir. The latter two have been churning out Blockbusters with most of their films, which is why SRK - despite delivering Hits - is considered beneath the two because his films for a long time haven't been meeting expectations.
In image management, it's not the ground reality that matters. It's the perception.
As for CE, it's a bona fide Blockbuster, so don't think I need to mention it. It's also a movie many SRK fans dislike.
The problem is SRK's fans themselves are disappointed by the choices he makes. That's not the case with Aamir, and these days with Salman.
[quote]Whats the use of his realizing it? When he makes a different movie like Raees, its release is postponed for the sake of masala movie Sultan? Why shd he opt for content when Indian BO only likes masala? CE was a blockbuster so he shd also go for masala to please Indian BO[/quote]
That's not the case always. These superhero flicks in Hollywood are their masala films, but they're not refrained upon as in Bollywood. CA: Civil War was a great movie that used a lot of serious elements. It's getting rave reviews.
Masala movies aren't always bad. If we're into BO, there have been good movies that have been successful. And, not all masala movies are successful either.
I disagree that Sultan is a masala movie. It's a commercial movie, yes - but masala movies = Dabbang, Bodyguard, Kick, CE, HNY, Ghajini, etc. Sultan's about a sport and sport movies, in India, aren't as accepted as regular action/comedy movies.
Raaes makers played it smart by shifting the date. We haven't seen the trailers yet, but it really does look content-based unlike the myth of Fan. If the movie has strong content, it's going to garner a lot of acclaim.
For me, box office isn't nearly as important. I disliked Fan and I don't care if it flopped. If Raaes is good, I won't care if it flops because SRK needs a great movie under his name. It's been nearly 10 years. MNIK was decent, but we have to travel to CDI to find a great SRK movie. And, mind you - I love Rab Ne, Veer Zaara, K3G type movies from SRK.
Anyway you completely missed the point of the topic, this has nothing to do with his stardom but its abt the lack of industry support for SRK and the fawning over Sallu...why is everyone saying Eid belongs to Salman so SRK had to shift?
In that case, Diwali belongs to SRK, so why arent people saying Ajay shd shift his movie Shivay for SRK?
Thats because SRK is an outsider, Sallu, Ajay, HR all these actors are insiders and they have more support in the industry than SRK ever will.
When SRK faces some backlash, all his so called friends sit back and enjoy the fun.
That's bullshit.
This is the same industry that gave him the Badshah tag. He's one of the most successful actors of all time. He's done it all. The outsider factor may hinder young actors today, but not a legendary star like SRK.
The reason SRK shifted doesn't have anything to do with being an outsider. SRK's last clash against BM resulted in ending SRK's Hit streak. His last movie was a flop.
During such a critical time, you don't clash against the biggest superstar in the country - especially not with a movie that's not a regular commercial movie.
Apart from the Khans, the clashes don't matter. It's only the clash between three Khans that creates hungama.
Raaes moving is the best thing to happen to Raaes. It's clashing with HR's movie now, but HR isn't Salman/Aamir and SRK is SRK.
If Raaes turns out to be good, it'll be a Hit AND it will be appreciated. It's a shame wisdom and tact is considered a failure in this case. The makers were wise enough to move Raaes. But we're dwelling with all sorts of conspiracy theories.. Tsk, tsk.
It's an insult to SRK to accuse him of getting treated like an outsider, when he's been the cornerstone of this industry for over 20 years now.
Edited by Kareenafanatic - 9 years ago
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