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Posted: 9 years ago

#151

[quote]And, if you claim to be educated about feminism, then you must know about the likes of Andrea Dworkins, who asserted that men as a species should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Also look up a term called "Third Wave Feminism",do you loads of good. Feminism, like every other movement, had its factions and strains.[/quote]

You mean the same way you're making assumptions about what I know or don't know? I shouldn't make assumptions about others though? Only you can? The same same you can attack someone as venomous but saying someone is 'mindless' is too much? Oh and I never used the word "brainwashed" at all. At least be accurate if you want to be rude.

As far as Andrea Dworkin, she was a radical feminist and yes a lot of people hated her, but I haven't heard about her saying that all men should be eliminated. I actually looked it up to be sure before blurting something out and all I can find is her saying *battered* women have a right to kill their abuser. "Kill the oppressor" which was in reference to women who are beaten and hurt by men. That's a different thing entirely.

Anyway, throwing out words like third wave feminism doesn't actually make any point, especially in regard to a woman who spent almost the whole thread trashing women in general and how glad she is a movie was from a the male point of view even in an industry where nearly ALL movies are from a male point of view. The men also joined in to support her and started whining about false dowry cases (a minuscule amount compared to the real ones) and even absurdly about women disliking inlaws and brought in statistics to claim female foeticide is a hoax and so on.

Still even after all those kind of disses, nobody attacked men in general on this topic. Even fake strawman arguments were created like "Not all men are rapists!!!" except nobody said they were anyway. It was just a way to attack feminists by pretending this is what they're saying.

No feminist of any kind, of any faction, would be agreeing with the kind of things she was saying.

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Posted: 9 years ago

#152

Originally posted by: Fiery.Phoenix.

I think TM herself doesn't understand this simple concept. I agree there was no point in attacking the TM. But then again, I didn't see the reason why TM had to go and like comments where someone wants to slap and attack those who didn't enjoy the movie. Dafuq ? What happen point of view then ? I only stated few observations regarding the dynamics of both genders and all she did was pull an anonymous on me. What happen to my POV then ? Not going to justify the personal attacks. But TM herself ain't so open to others' POV. Even she started going berserk the minute a different view was thrown on the table.

Anyways, except few posters, all I see on this thread is two extremes at each others' throats. None is holier than thou as far as I am concerned. And it sucks cuz it's the same old gender war.

@ARK: You may be correct. The MID could be divider. I have heard such idiotic claims from him time and again. Sounds quite familiar.

You have a point but in main post TM clearly said that it's not about anti feminism and it's all about equality.

This turned into very uglly mess coz of non stop personal attack.

It was about a film and people presented all problem women are facing in world. TM never said women are not facing any problem.

If we can enjoy movie like salam namastey where Saif was clear from first day that he was not interested in kids, preity conceive coz she wanted to do that and entire movie was how bechari neari fighting alone for kids. At the end Saif was guilty. Wasn't there a no children deal? If one partner wants kids doesn't mean another partner is in fault. According to me it was anti male film and nothing wrong with anti female film is point of TM.

I don't check likes so I have no idea but this is turning into too ugly. Calling someone with all sort of names is just wrong.

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hedwig_fawkes

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Posted: 9 years ago

#153

Just want to interject here and say that the TM has edited her original post and topic, for everyone supporting her thinking that she was only against feminazis and was being unfairly attacked by feminists. Her original topic was "Finally a movie that favours men" and she called herself a "proud anti-feminist". Why she chose to edit her post after being called out is another matter. Why she then chose to not mention that and instead accept sympathy from her defenders is also a question.

Also, I have been on IF for 10 years and have never even had a warning level increase, so I am not some rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth extremist and I am very capable of having civilized discussions. We may differ on our interpretation of "civilized". We definitely differ on our interpretation of "feminism".

But let's not digress. There are so many posts here defending the TM and bashing people for being oversensitive (ironic but I will let that pass), but I haven't seen anyone actually defend the premise of the topic. The TM says "finally a movie that favours men" and then goes on to praise a buddy comedy film that centers around guys complaining about their girlfriends. Which is basically the basis of every David Dhawan comedy ever. Indian men complaining of being oppressed by their wives is the oldest source of comedy. Even the "progressive" buddy flicks like Dil Chahta Hai and Zindagi... derive humour from awful gf storylines (Saif's in DCH and Abhay's in ZNMD). I can't think of any comedy that hasn't talked about it. On the other hand, can you name a single female buddy comedy where girls bond over how awful their bfs and husbands are and where that is presented as a source of humour? Because I can't think of any. Yet you say "FINALLY A MOVIE ABOUT MEN", and that seems to suggest that there are hundreds of such movies about women that I seem to have missed. Could you recommend some to me?

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Joker19

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Posted: 9 years ago

#154

Originally posted by: PurpleAir
If you think no movies favor guys, go watch biwi no 1 or Raja Ki baarat!

I sm sure there are many but I can't remember right now!

I loved PKP too but saying bw always takes men's side is far fetched!

the reason you cant remember is because there aren't many movies that favor guys.lol

I can give you 100 movies that favor girls, and its getting boring.

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441597

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Posted: 9 years ago

#155

My "venomous" comment was in response to your assumptions flung at Golu. Calling someone "Clueless and trying to curry favour with men" is venomous indeed, at least in my dictionary.

I did admit that the opening post did seem to generalize all feminists as radicals and the title of the thread doesn't make much sense since pretty much 90% of Bolly movies are male-centric like you said, but I don't think that Golu attacked women anywhere per se.

BTW, here's the Andrea Dworkin quote:

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig."

And the reason I mentioned the Third Wave is that these were the people who started demanding affirmative action favouring women over men, like demanding equal pay for men and women tennis players even though men play best of five sets and women play best of three.

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745671

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Posted: 9 years ago

#156

[quote]trying to curry favour with men" is venomous indeed, at least in my dictionary.[/quote]

But it was truthful. She came in as the cool girl who thinks misogynist male-favoring movies are so great and so funny and entertaining. Even if she had left it at that, nobody would have cared because it's her opinion on a movie, not a big deal.

But she framed it as her loving the movie because she hates feminists, thank god a male favoring movie was made, all men are not rapists, and how much she hates feminazis (a term which is deliberately used to discredit feminism in general) and is such a cool different woman compared to those harpies. She did call herself a PROUD anti-feminist and then edited out some things later on.

Then when certain people started saying they "loved her" she actually questioned if they were male and then went on a spiel about how her male friends also love her and this guy in particular reminds her of them. It's very easy to read between the lines. You don't even need to read between the lines to see that this is some embarrassing stuff. (I haven't gone back to look but she might have edited out some of that as well to put herself in a better light.)

I wasn't the only one who got that impression either.

She later started liking posts about attacking/slapping people posted by her new male supporters. And yes liking bizarre men's rights posts that looked like they were copied from a red pill member.

Saying that she was currying favor with men was perhaps mean but accurate in my eyes.

And like someone else said, I have been here for years and never even got a warning. We are not the type of people who are always flying off the handle.

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~*sindhu*~

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Posted: 9 years ago

#157

Originally posted by: ibnbatuta

As stated by the poster, 74% o abortions in India are pre-marital. Can you make out what that means?

Female infanticide don't come under reported statistics because it is illegal. Nobody will report them if done. But u can determine if female infanticide is a major reason behind abortions going by this statistics given below

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/sex-ratio-falls-to-898-girls-per-1000-boys/article7771074.ece

Unless India has finally found the pill to only conceive male child I think its pretty clear whats happening.Also the repeated advertisements warning people to stop doing this shows what is truly happening. Problem is looks like nobody is bothered by the legality either.The problem is growing by the day. I really hope people will start taking this seriously. This is no hoax. Its a dangerous reality

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hedwig_fawkes

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Posted: 9 years ago

#158

Originally posted by: krystal_watz
My "venomous" comment was in response to your assumptions flung at Golu. Calling someone "Clueless and trying to curry favour with men" is venomous indeed, at least in my dictionary.

I did admit that the opening post did seem to generalize all feminists as radicals and the title of the thread doesn't make much sense since pretty much 90% of Bolly movies are male-centric like you said, but I don't think that Golu attacked women anywhere per se.

BTW, here's the Andrea Dworkin quote:

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig."
And the reason I mentioned the Third Wave is that these were the people who started demanding affirmative action favouring women over men, like demanding equal pay for men and women tennis players even though men play best of five sets and women play best of three.

There are extremists in every group but that doesn't discount an entire movement. Specially when they are such minorities.

Also the tennis player example you bring up is interesting. It goes back to what determines pay. Is it the amount of physical effort and time put in? Well then the female players should be paid less as you said. But in that case why do female cricketers, footballers etc get paid much much less than their male counterparts? In that case people say it's because of lack of interest and therefore lack of revenue. But by that logic female tennis players should be paid equal to or even more that male players because they generate higher revenue (according to statistics). So which is it?

In fact you can extend that to BW- do male actors and female actors get paid according to screentime? No. Male actors get paid more because they bring in more revenue. So why are the rules different in the one sport where men and women generate comparable interest?

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: White-Rose
You have a point but in main post TM clearly said that it's not about anti feminism and it's all about equality.

This turned into very uglly mess coz of non stop personal attack.
It was about a film and people presented all problem women are facing in world. TM never said women are not facing any problem.

If we can enjoy movie like salam namastey where Saif was clear from first day that he was not interested in kids, preity conceive coz she wanted to do that and entire movie was how bechari neari fighting alone for kids. At the end Saif was guilty. Wasn't there a no children deal? If one partner wants kids doesn't mean another partner is in fault. According to me it was anti male film and nothing wrong with anti female film is point of TM.

I don't check likes so I have no idea but this is turning into too ugly. Calling someone with all sort of names is just wrong.

But that movie didn't go to generalize all men. The movie revolved around Preity and Saif and bashing or criticism were restricted to those characters. So no it wasn't really an anti-male film. It was a film about two characters and their journey of rights and wrongs.

As for this movie, they didn't restrict bashing to the three female characters, but sorta generalized how women are the evil of relationships and men the victim. I can't think of a movie at the moment of such generalization on men. If you can, I would still say the same that applauding stereotypes and generalizations ain't taking us anywhere close to equality. Tit for Tat game ain't the solution to equality. Instead how people shunned MyChoice, both genders should do the same to any medium encouraging such mockery of a specific gender. But that's way too broad and ideal of an expectation. But one should at least try or at least try not to encourage such stereotypes.

As for what TM wrote initially, we don't know cuz as pointed out she edited the topic. So I wouldn't know why anonymous pounced on her. And it's not like anonymous wasn't attacked back by the TM for her to cry foul.

Originally posted by: pallavi_
TM jst said that movie who favours boys in modern relationships she never said that movie which favours guys in all aspect of life and she z true to an extent only men are shown as flirt,casanova in modern day love stories. and this topic is going far now.this feminist debate is too much i wont gt into it but ya i m a girl and m saying this that in india if a gf wants to tk revenge thn filing a rape case on him is great idea.law is really biased..again m not generalizing so hardcore feminist plz spare me..
i enjoyed movie its light cute n funny..total paisa wasool

But such flirts and Casanova are actually considered "Ooo so cool" and many men even follow their footsteps. So by the same logic, shouldn't we actually consider the girls in this movie "Ooo so cool" and follow them blindly and be the bitches ? 😆

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: anonymous39
[quote]trying to curry favour with men" is venomous indeed, at least in my dictionary.[/quote]
But it was truthful. She came in as the cool girl who thinks misogynist male-favoring movies are so great and so funny and entertaining. Even if she had left it at that, nobody would have cared because it's her opinion on a movie, not a big deal.

But she framed it as her loving the movie because she hates feminists, thank god a male favoring movie was made, all men are not rapists, and how much she hates feminazis (a term which is deliberately used to discredit feminism in general) and is such a cool different woman compared to those harpies. She did call herself a PROUD anti-feminist and then edited out some things later on.

Then when certain people started saying they "loved her" she actually questioned if they were male and then went on a spiel about how her male friends also love her and this guy in particular reminds her of them. It's very easy to read between the lines. You don't even need to read between the lines to see that this is some embarrassing stuff. (I haven't gone back to look but she might have edited out some of that as well to put herself in a better light.)

I wasn't the only one who got that impression either.

She later started liking posts about attacking/slapping people posted by her new male supporters. And yes liking bizarre men's rights posts that looked like they were copied from a red pill member.

Saying that she was currying favor with men was perhaps mean but accurate in my eyes.

And like someone else said, I have been here for years and never even got a warning. We are not the type of people who are always flying off the handle.