Is Haider about incest?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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From what I've read (a review on the box office thread) its about Haider's obsession with his mother?
Does he be in love with his own mother?!!

I'm all for new cinema, but incest is yuck!!!!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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From what i remember, Hamlet had a bit of incest too. So they're just showing what was in the play.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Its how you perceive it. VB only tells you that Haider was fiercely possessive about his mom and that his mom's only weakness was Haider. He indicates a darkness in Haider's and Ghazaala's emotions for each-other , but he says nothing more directly.

Hamlet was obsessed with his mom Gertrude and he made it very obvious. VB has only followed the play's basic plot.
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They are just acting,its not real
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I didn't watch the movie yet. But didn't Masand say Tabu agreed to do this movie only when Vishal made her Shahid's stepmom? So, it's not incest.. it's not oedipal either.
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In the lion king Nalas father was never shown . So we're simba and Nala siblings ??

food for thought 😲
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: NailClipper

I didn't watch the movie yet. But didn't Masand say Tabu agreed to do this movie only when Vishal made her Shahid's stepmom? So, it's not incest.. it's not oedipal either.


Really? Tabu is Shahid's stepmom in Haider? But Gertrude was Hamlet's biological mom no? How could VB do such a gaffe?

More then Hamlet adaptation its a comment on the political situation in Kashmir, from what I've read from the member reviews
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: NailClipper

I didn't watch the movie yet. But didn't Masand say Tabu agreed to do this movie only when Vishal made her Shahid's stepmom? So, it's not incest.. it's not oedipal either.

BUT TABU IS PLAYING SHAHID'S REAL MOM IN THE MOVIE
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Here's the article (check the bold bit)..


How to be a bold Young Mother to a Grown Man

Irrfan Khan, Tabu, Kay Kay Menon, Shahid Kapoor, Shraddha Kapoor...Vishal Bhardwaj assembled a terrific cast for his Hamlet adaptation Haider, but contrary to what one would imagine, not every actor was drawn to the project like bees to honey. The director revealed to me that it was hardest convincing Tabu to take the role of Hamlet's mother: "She refused the film twice, insisting she wouldn't play mother to Shahid Kapoor."

He understands her reluctance, he says. "There is a tendency in this industry to stereotype actors. And naturally she was concerned that if she played mother to a grown man once, she'd be approached only for mother roles here on." But the project needed a solid actor in that role, so the options were limited. "When I went back to her for the third time, I asked her to see the character as Gertrude from Hamlet, not Shahid's mother," Vishal explains. "There's so much to Gertrude, and she's crucial to the story." Tabu relented subsequently, and Vishal insists her performance is what holds the film together.

Not one to shy away from uncomfortable material, Vishal embraced the Oedipal undertones in the relationship between mother and son. In one scene that I was invited to watch, Shahid's Haider enters Tabu's room as she sits before the mirror beautifying herself. She reminds him how as a boy he'd insist on sleeping between her and his father, and would get upset each time his father so much as touched her. "And now my uncle touches you," he replies stingingly, while lovingly applying perfume to her neck. Her wordless reactions alone may be worth the price of a ticket. Pretty bold too for a commercial Hindi film, you'd have to agree.

What Vishal didn't tell me however, but I learnt from asking around, is that Tabu took the part only after the director agreed to make the character Haider's stepmother and not his birth mother, thereby conveying to the audience that she was considerably younger than his father, and not necessarily much older to him. Shrewd.

https://www.openthemagazine.com/article/voices/how-to-be-a-bold-young-mother-to-a-grown-man

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I understand that people living in India have this belief that all Westerners are either immoral or relentlessly teetering on the edge of immorality But COME ON people! Hamlet was written somewhere around 1600. No matter what you think of modern Englishmen, the idea that Shakespeare could have had actual mother son incest in a play performed in seventeenth century London is plausible to you? Seriously? But the issue keeps popping up - always by people who have obviously never skimmed let alone read Hamlet - despite several people (including me) repeatedly stating without equivocation, NO there is no incest in Hamlet.
100s of years after it was written, psychiatrists decided part of Hamlet's "problem" was an Oedipal complex. Please look it up because that seems to be very misunderstood here too. I am no psychologist but in short, Freud believed an Oedipal stage was a normal part of a boys development. Boys (the Freudians believe) normally pass through a stage at around 3-5 years old where they want all their mothers' attention and are jealous of any attention she gives others (especially father). It is not sexual at that time (even Western five year olds don't learn about sex until they are six - sarcasm!) It is only abnormal when it becomes "fixed". If the boy doesn't pass through the stage as he becomes aware of his sexuality, his desire for his mother may become sexual and his jealousy of his father may turn to rage (and murder). And yes modern people theorize Hamlet MAY have had Oedipal issues with Gertrude (but no one thinks she had any sexual desire for Hamlet).

The particular irony -to me- is how frequently in Hindi entertainment the mother and son relationship is excessively close and the mother in law reeks havoc on her daughter in laws life. What do you think psychiatrists will make of that 400 years from now? Mother "in love" with son jealous of DIL taking her place in his life. So is there incest on Hindi serials? No...? Well not in Hamlet either!

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