Differences within The Times of India over Bombay Times' editorial on - Page 2

Originally posted by: ...miracle...

It's good decision from other people in TOI to stand against this. In future this TOI journalists itself will face problem when they talk about women empowerment.

"Padukone works in a film industry which has traditionally revelled in crude sexual objectification of women, and there is very little outrage about that from within"

LOL these people are such hypocrites when west is even worse when it comes to objectification of the women.

"Clearly, the reciprocal - and sometimes corrosive - relationship between the mass media and film stars all over the world is double-edged, and this unsavoury episode is further proof of that"

However, this article by Bombay Times has not gone down well with others in the organisation. An e-mail which was being circulated internally before it was reportedly sent to Editorial Director Jaideep Bose and Executive Editor Arindam Sengupta, on behalf of some reporters in Delhi takes strong objection to the editorial.

The email reportedly sent on behalf of some in The Times of India's reporting team in Delhi says, "We never felt the need to interject earlier when the photograph was published and thought TOI would handle the matter sensitively. But now a lot of us have felt the TOI rebuttal goes against the very liberal and progressive values the group stands for."

The senders of the mail say they have severe problems with the 'content of the article written by Priya Gupta'. The mail then lists out various 'parts' of the The Times of India's article titled Dear Deepika, our point of view.

In the email, employees asks TOI's Executive Editor Arindam Sengupta if the paper is saying that Deepika asked for it. "After taking a stand so many times for women's rights, this is an appalling position to take," says the mail.

^^

Because of this Priya Gupta has thrown in the blind (through Mihir)about being harassed by Gigantic star to show herself as some victim.

Anyways,let's see where this issue heads.

Originally posted by: SG200

However, this article by Bombay Times has not gone down well with others in the organisation. An e-mail which was being circulated internally before it was reportedly sent to Editorial Director Jaideep Bose and Executive Editor Arindam Sengupta, on behalf of some reporters in Delhi takes strong objection to the editorial.

The email reportedly sent on behalf of some in The Times of India's reporting team in Delhi says, "We never felt the need to interject earlier when the photograph was published and thought TOI would handle the matter sensitively. But now a lot of us have felt the TOI rebuttal goes against the very liberal and progressive values the group stands for."

The senders of the mail say they have severe problems with the 'content of the article written by Priya Gupta'. The mail then lists out various 'parts' of the The Times of India's article titled Dear Deepika, our point of view.

In the email, employees asks TOI's Executive Editor Arindam Sengupta if the paper is saying that Deepika asked for it. "After taking a stand so many times for women's rights, this is an appalling position to take," says the mail.

^^

Because of this Priya Gupta has thrown in the blind (through Mihir)about being harassed by Gigantic star to show herself as some victim.

Anyways,let's see where this issue heads.

IWPC criticises daily for justifying women's objectification

Deepika Padukone cleavage controversy: The Hindu tells its view point to the Times Of India

Another leading daily takes a stand on the whole cleavage issue...

Deepika Padukone has been in the news because of her stance on the cleavage video that Times Of India posted on their web portal. After TOI put out their stand on the whole incident yesterday, another leading daily, The Hindu has put out an open letter from their end on the whole controversy. They have addressed it to TOI and have posted it in their blog section. Here what they had to say:

Dear Times of India,

There are times when one should keep quiet. If most of the online world is lambasting you, even if you think you're right it wouldn't hurt to introspect a little and wonder why people are reacting the way they are. Your response to Deepika Padukone's fuming tweet and post on Facebook against your article on her, or more specifically on her breasts, is both shocking and unexpected. You could have chosen to apologise. Or you could have chosen to keep quiet. But by doing neither and by misunderstanding the issue entirely, you've only dug yourself deeper into a hole.

You've started your article in Bombay Times (Dear Deepika, our point of view,' Sept. 21) saying, "As one of the largest media houses in the world with interests in print, TV, radio and online, we approach each medium differently, as do our audiences. There isn't a one-fits-all formula for either distributing or consuming content across various media."

It's true that across media houses each medium is approached differently but editorial values and ethics remain the same. There are still limits to what can be published online and what cannot. By merely brushing aside the problem by stating that "the online world... is chaotic and cluttered " and sensational headlines are far from uncommon," you're being unapologetic about your mistakes. Yes, perhaps this may not be right but that's how things are, so you must get used to it' is the crux of your message. Indeed the online world is chaotic and uncluttered but that should give you and every other media house more of a reason to be careful about the content being posted. Rather you shamelessly admit that you're choosing to objectify a woman and be sensational.

It makes it worse that you are doing this " and being unrepentant about it " at a time when one of the biggest problems that plagues this country is its treatment of women. Sexist attitudes manifest themselves in different forms " leering, passing offensive remarks, gawking are all at one end of the continuum, crimes against women like rape are on the other end. You cannot cry yourself hoarse about the extreme form while believing it perfectly alright to engage in the more subtle ones. Did I hear you say hypocrisy?

You then ask: "Was Deepika's hypocrisy for publicity?" Below the question (which you really seem to believe is not a question but the reason why the actor chose to lash out at you), you've printed a collage of photographs " photographs that show the actor's breasts, her cleavage and her legs. The point you're apparently trying to make here is that Deepika is consciously flaunting her body for photo shoots and other assignments, so why should she take offence when you're so generously "complimenting" her?

No, TOI, there is a difference between zooming into a woman's cleavage and making a story out of it with a headline that says "OMG! Deepika's Cleavage Show" and posting pictures of her that she has posed for voluntarily. The first is a blatant invasion of privacy; the second is her choice. This is the same reason why Katrina Kaif was furious earlier when pictures of her in a bikini with Ranbir Kapoor in Spain were splashed across newspapers. It wasn't the fact that she was in a bikini that angered her; it was that the pictures were taken and posted without her knowledge and permission. Consent or the lack of it is the issue you're missing here.

Deepika's body is her own " she can choose to do whatever she wants with it. By focussing solely on her body parts and commenting on them, you are doing exactly what women fight against everyday " objectification. Your response to her cleavage is no different from that guy on the street who whistles at a woman when she walks by " fully clothed or not " or the man on the bus who leers at a woman when her dupatta slips. What is the difference, really? They are zooming in with their eyes; you're zooming in with your camera.

You also justify your act saying that men are objectified too. Shah Rukh Khan's "8 pack" abs also evoke an OMG!" response so what difference is there, you ask. That is not a great defence. Are you seriously saying "We objectify Shah Rukh too... we objectify everyone really... so what's the fuss all about?"

Is Deepika doing this for publicity? I don't know, but it can be safe to say that people are asking you the same question.

You don't need a censor board TOI, but yes, perhaps a few editorial discussions before publishing such stories may not be a bad idea. It could save you all this outrage. Please understand that apart from ownership'" the treatment of a person as an object owned by another " being a characteristic of objectification, denial of subjectivity' or the lack of consideration for the person's feelings in question is another. The subject being discussed here was miffed with your post as well as initial response and made it abundantly clear that her subjectivity was denied. All you could have done was considered her response and feelings and apologised. Or really, just kept quiet.