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Posted: 11 years ago
Malaysian jet couldn't have flown over India undetected: Military
Rajat Pandit,TNN | Mar 16, 2014, 02.27AM IST


NEW DELHI: The Indian military establishment has rejected the possibility that the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which mysteriously disappeared eight days en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, could have flown over India on way to Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan in Central Asia.

This came after Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak on Saturday said the missing plane's last communication with a satellite suggested it could have been "deliberately diverted", after its transponders were switched off, into "two possible corridors or arcs". The northern one was identified as stretching from northern Thailand to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, while the southern one from Indonesia to southern Indian Ocean.

"If the jetliner had tried to cross the Indian mainland, our primary radars (which bounce radio signals off targets) would have picked it up despite its transponders being switched off (secondary radars beam signals that request information from a plane's transponders)," said a top IAF officer.

If an "unidentified" plane had been picked up flouting prescribed procedures or with switched-off transponders or not "squawking" IFF (identification, friend or foe) codes, a series of "air defence measures" would have kicked in - including the scrambling of fighters - to "detect, identify, intercept and destroy" the intruder.

Senior IAF and Navy officers admitted there were "a few gaps" in India's civil and military radar networks but stressed it would be "virtually impossible" for a jetliner to fly undetected across the Indian mainland. "The five Airports Authority of India radars at Delhi, Kolkata, Ahmedabad, Chennai and Mumbai are integrated with IAF's air defence network. The possibility is far-fetched," said an officer.

"Why also forget the robust air defence networks of countries like Pakistan, fully-geared towards India, or the US-led forces in Afghanistan or Iran for that matter, all of which would have been on this so-called flight arc," he added.

Former IAF vice-chief Air Marshal P K Barbora, in turn, added, "Both India and Pakistan are very wary of any blip that comes up on their radars...it's very unlikely that a plane could have flown across the vast stretch of land without being detected by one or some other country. An aircraft flying low to avoid radars would not be able to go such a long distance."

Indian officials are of the opinion that MH370, hijacked or otherwise, probably went down in the Bay of Bengal or southern Indian Ocean after being diverted and flying close to the Malacca Strait. And that is precisely where India is concentrating its search as part of the ongoing multi-nation hunt for the missing jetliner.

"The Navy, IAF and Coast Guard are scanning an area spanning over 2,50,000 sq km in the Andaman Sea and Bay of Bengal with six warships and extensive aerial surveillance by aircraft like P-8I long-range maritime patrol planes, medium-range Dornier-228s and a C-130J Super Hercules with electro-optic and infra-red sensors. But so far, no sighting or detection has been reported," said an officer.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Malaysian plane mystery: Direction, fuel load & range now lead some to suspect hijackers planned a 9/11-type attack on an Indian city.
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A big could be here.. Unlikely, but here it is anyway.

If the above suspicion is true, then probably India or some other country realized it was a threat and immediately shot it down.

Actually the loss due to another 9/11-type attack could have been unprecedented. So killing 'just' 200 people is the easiest way out, as opposed to letting it fly and eventually killing off the 200 people onboard ALONG with others on the ground. But if they make this public, they will definitely face censure. So they're probably trying to cover it up. Maybe that debris identified in the China Sea is the REAL wreckage..

Another important thing to remember is, it could only have been identified by a primary radar, which can only identify the presence of the object in so and so longitude and latitude. It could be considered a jet, a passenger, a drone, or even a UFO. And they had little reason to believe it to be a passenger airliner, given that no aircraft was supposed to fly in that path at that time. So they would have had it easier to shoot it down, before verifying its credentials.

Sounds very unlikely.. But possible, considering all the contradictions and retractions by the Govt and other inconsistencies.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I'd have a theory. But I don't know jack shit.
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U.S. officials lean toward 'those in the cockpit' behind missing flight

By Barbara Starr, Chelsea J. Carter and Jim Clancy, CNN
updated 11:04 PM EDT, Sat March 15, 2014


Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (CNN) -- U.S. intelligence officials are leaning toward the theory that "those in the cockpit" -- the pilots of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- were responsible for the mysterious disappearance of the commercial jetliner, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the latest thinking told CNN on Saturday.

The revelation followed news that Malaysian authorities searched the home of the lead pilot, a move that came the same day that Prime Minister Najib Razak told reporters the plane veered off course due to apparent deliberate action taken by somebody on board.

The Malaysian government had been looking for a reason to search the home of the pilot and the co-pilot for several days. But it was only in the last 24 to 36 hours, when radar and satellite data came to light, that authorities believed they had sufficient reason to go through the residences, according to the U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"The Malaysians don't do this lightly," the official said. It's not clear whether the Malaysian government believes one or both the men could be responsible for what happened when the Boeing 777-200 ER disappeared March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

What we know about the cockpit crew

The official emphasized no final conclusions have been drawn and all the internal intelligence discussions are based on preliminary assessments of what is known to date.

Other scenarios could still emerge. The notion of a hijacking has not been ruled out, the official said.

A source close to the investigation told CNN that Malaysian police had searched the home of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53. Shah lives in an upscale gated community in Shah Alam, outside Malaysia's capital of Kuala Lumpur.

Two vans were loaded with small bags, similar to shopping bags, at the home of the co-pilot, 27-year-old Farq Ab Hamid, according to a CNN crew who observed activities at the residence. It was unclear whether the bags were taken from the home, and police made no comment about their activities there.

Najib made clear in a press conference that in light of the latest developments, authorities have refocused their investigation to the crew and passengers on board.

Undoubtedly, they will scour through the flight manifest and look further to see whether any of the passengers on board had flight training or connections to terror groups.

A senior U.S. law enforcement official told CNN that investigators are carefully reviewing the information so far collected on the pilots to determine whether there is something to indicate a plan or a motive.

That would seem supported by preliminary U.S. intelligence reports, which the U.S. official said show the jetliner was in some form of controlled flight at a relatively stable altitude and path when it changed course and flew toward the Indian Ocean. It is presumed by U.S. officials to have crashed, perhaps after running out of fuel.

'Someone acting deliberately'

The first clue that perhaps one or both of the pilots were involved stem from when the plane made a sharp, deliberate turn from where it last communicated with Kuala Lumpur air traffic controllers, and before it would have to communicate with Vietnamese controllers, according to the U.S. official with knowledge of the latest intelligence thinking.

"This is the perfect place to start to disappear," the official said.

Military radar showed the jetliner flew in a westerly direction back over the Malaysian peninsula, Najib said. It is then believed to have either turned northwest toward the Bay of Bengal or southwest elsewhere in the Indian Ocean, he said.

"Evidence is consistent with someone acting deliberately from inside the plane," the Prime Minister said, officially confirming the plane's disappearance was not caused by an accident. "...Despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, we are investigating all major possibilities on what caused MH370 to deviate."

The focus of the search is now in the southern Indian Ocean. "The southern scenario seems more plausible," the official said.

Meanwhile, according to Najib, new satellite information leads authorities to be fairly certain that someone disabled the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS, just before the aircraft reached the east coast of peninsular Malaysia.

"Shortly afterward, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control," Najib said, "the aircraft's transponder was switched off."

ACARS is the system that routinely transmits information like turbulence and fuel load back to the airline. A transponder is a system controlled from the cockpit that transmits data about the plane via radio signals to air traffic controllers. It combines with ground radar to provide air traffic controllers with details about the plane, including its identification, speed, position and altitude.

The last voice communication from the cockpit a week ago were these words: "All right, good night."

They were uttered at the Vietnam air traffic control border at about the same time the transponder was shut off, Najib said. That suggests the incident on the plane began sooner than initially thought.

But some have questioned the Prime Minister's account, given the dearth of information available.

Malaysia investigation criticized

In the days since the flight disappeared, the Malaysian government has been under intense scrutiny for its handling of the investigation. The government has been criticized by some U.S. officials for not sharing information or accepting more offers of help.

Shortly after Najib delivered his remarks, China demanded Malaysia provide more information on the investigation. Of the 239 people aboard Flight 370, 154 were Chinese.

"Today is the 8th day of the missing MH370, and the plane is still yet to be found," said a statement from the foreign ministry. "Time is life."

The criticism was more pointed in an editorial published by China's state-run news agency Xinhua.

"And due to the absence -- or at least lack -- of timely authoritative information, massive efforts have been squandered, and numerous rumors have been spawned, repeatedly racking the nerves of the awaiting families," the editorial said.

Malaysian authorities have been highly sensitive to any suggestion they can't handle the investigation, said the U.S. law enforcement official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity. It took several days last week to calm their anger over inaccurate reports that the FBI had dispatched a team to investigate, the official said.

Malaysia Airlines defended its actions, saying there has never been a case where information gleaned from satellite signals alone could potentially be used to find the location of a missing airliner.

"Given the nature of the situation and its extreme sensitivity, it was critical that the raw satellite signals were verified and analyzed by the relevant authorities so that their significance could be properly understood," the airline said in a statement. "This naturally took some time, during which we were unable to publicly confirm their existence."

Transcript: Malaysian Prime Minister's statement on Flight 370

Kazakhstan to Indian Ocean

As the focus of the investigation shifted, so, too, has the focus of the search.

Information from international and Malaysian officials indicate that the jet may have flown for more than seven hours after the last contact with the pilots.

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Flight 370 search expands to Indian Ocean
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Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12:41 a.m. on March 8. The last satellite communication from the plane occurred at 8:11 a.m., Najib said, well past the scheduled arrival time in Beijing.

That last communication, Najib said, was in one of two possible traffic corridors shown on a map released to the press. A northern arc stretches from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, and a southern arc spans from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.

"Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite," Najib said.

Because the northern parts of the traffic corridor include some tightly guarded airspace over India, Pakistan, and even some U.S. installations in Afghanistan, U.S. authorities believe it more likely the aircraft crashed into waters outside of the reach of radar south of India, a U.S. official told CNN. If it had flown farther north, it's likely it would have been detected by radar.

Nonetheless for the last 36 hours, the U.S. military and intelligence community has been reviewing all satellite imagery and electronic data it collects from the region for any sign of an explosion or crash, according to another U.S. official directly familiar with that effort.

Najib said authorities were ending search operations in the South China Sea and reassessing the deployment of assets.

"This new satellite information has a significant impact on the nature and scope of the search operation," he said.

Investigators, he said, have confirmed by looking at the raw satellite data that the plane in question was the Malaysia Airlines jet.

The same conclusion was reached by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the Malaysian authorities, all of whom were working separately with the same data, he said.

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Was Flight 370 hijacked for 9/11-type attack in India?

NYT News Service | Mar 16, 2014, 09.43 AM IST
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Was Malaysia Airlines' Flight 370 hijacked with the chillingly murderous intent of crashing it into a high-value building in an Indian city in a re-run of al-Qaida's 9/11 attack on the US? And if the plane didn't crash, where is it now? A week after the plane was thought to have crashed, its disappearance has turned from increasingly mysterious to deadly sinister.

Malaysia turned the search into a criminal investigation on Saturday, after its prime minister declared that the plane had been deliberately diverted from its planned route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The plane then flew as much as seven hours to an unknown destination.

Later in the day, Strobe Talbott, who was deputy secretary of state in the Bill Clinton administration and remains an informed and influential voice in the US capital, tweeted: "Malaysia plane mystery: Direction, fuel load & range now lead some to suspect hijackers planned a 9/11-type attack on an Indian city."

At a news conference, Malaysia's PM Najib Razak said his government would seek the help of other governments across a large region of Asia in trying to find the plane. Malaysian authorities later released a map showing that the last satellite signal received from the plane had been sent from a point somewhere along one of two arcs spanning large distances across Asia.

This map shows two red lines representing the possible locations from which Flight 370 sent its last hourly transmission to a satellite at 8.11am on March 8 " more than seven hours after it took off from KL and when the plane would most likely have been running low on fuel.

Najib said a satellite orbiting 35,800km over the middle of the Indian Ocean received a transmission that, based on the angle of transmission from the plane, came from a location somewhere along one of two arcs. One arc runs from the southern border of Kazakhstan in Central Asia to northern Thailand. The other runs from near Jakarta, Indonesia, to the Indian Ocean.

"These movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane," Najib said. He noted that one communications system had been disabled as the plane flew over the northeast coast of Malaysia. A second system, a transponder aboard the aircraft, abruptly stopped broadcasting its location, altitude, speed and other information a few minutes later, at 1.21am, while the plane was one-third of the way across the Gulf of Thailand from Malaysia to Vietnam.

The information came a day after American officials and others familiar with the investigation told The New York Times that Flight 370 had experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot.



Military radar data subsequently showed that the aircraft turned and flew west across northern Malaysia before arching out over the wide northern end of the Strait of Malacca, headed at cruising altitude for the Indian Ocean. The disappearance of the jet has worried China, partly because nearly two-thirds of the 239 people aboard were Chinese citizens. On Saturday, the Chinese ministry of foreign affairs demanded to know more, and said that China was sending technical experts to Malaysia.

The flight had been scheduled to land at 6.30am in Beijing, so the time of the last satellite signal as given by Najib " 8.11am" could have been as the plane was nearing the end of its fuel supply." The investigation team is making further calculations, which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after the last point of contact," Najib said. "Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with a satellite."

The northern arc described by Najib passes through or close to some of the world's most volatile countries, home to insurgent groups, but also over highly militarized areas with robust air-defence networks, some run by the American military. The arc passes close to northern Iran, through Afghanistan and northern Pakistan, and through northern India and the Himalayan mountains and Myanmar. An aircraft flying on that arc would have to pass through air-defence networks in India and Pakistan, whose mutual border is heavily militarized, as well as through Afghanistan, where the US and other Nato countries have operated air bases for more than a decade. These include Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan and a large Indian air base, Hindon Air Force Station.

The Indian Ocean, the third-largest in the world, has an average depth of more than 12,000 feet.

Mikael Robertsson, a founder of Flightradar24, a global aviation tracking service, said the way the plane's communications were shut down pointed to the involvement of someone with considerable aviation expertise and knowledge of the air route, possibly a crew member, willing or unwilling.

The Boeing's transponder was switched off just as the plane passed from Malaysian to Vietnamese air traffic control space, thus making it more likely that the plane's absence from communications would not arouse attention, Robertsson said by telephone from Sweden.

"Always when you fly, you are in contact with air traffic control in some country," he said. "Instead of contacting the Vietnam air traffic control, the transponder signal was turned off, so I think the timing of turning off the signal just after you have left Malaysian air traffic control indicates someone did this on purpose, and he found the perfect moment when he wasn't in control by Malaysia or Vietnam. He was, like, in no-man's country."

Xu Ke, a former commercial pilot and now lecturer at the Zhejiang Academy of Police in eastern China who studies aviation security, said the details suggested that at least one member of the crew, most likely one of the pilots, was involved in seizing control of the aircraft, either willingly or under coercion. "The timing of turning off the transponder suggests that this involved someone with knowledge of how to avoid air traffic control without attracting attention," Xu said in a telephone interview. "You needed to know this plane, and you also needed to know this route."



Especially since the September 11 attacks, Xu said, security on cockpit doors has been reinforced so that it would be difficult for anyone to force their way in without giving the pilots ample time to send a warning signal. "We have to be careful about our words and conclusions, and examine all the possibilities, but the likelihood that a pilot was involved appears very likely," said Xu. "The Boeing 777 is a relatively new and big plane, so it wouldn't be anyone who could do this, not even someone who has flown smaller passenger planes, even smaller Boeings."

According to a person who has been briefed on the progress of the investigation, the two "corridors" described by Mr. Najib were derived from calculations made by engineers from the satellite communications company Inmarsat, which were provided to investigators. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because details of the search operation remain confidential.

But based on what is already known about the flight's trajectory, investigators are strongly favouring the southern corridor as the likely flight path, the person said. "The US Navy would not be heading toward Kazakhstan," the person said.

(With inputs from TNN)
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US reported that the plane was planned to be attack in India!
That's really scary... The thought of same is traumatizing! Touch Wood nothing of such happened :(
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I actually think the plane was hijacked with demand to release a terriost present in Malaysia! I think thats why Malaysia goverment isnt saying anything because they are confused what to do, or how to respond!
I also think if Malaysia goverment declines to do so then the hijackers might have had blast the twin tower! :(

This is just assumption ...
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Heard that the search operations are stopped...seriously, WTH is going on? 😕
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Hours Before Flight 370 Took Off, Pilot Attended Opposition Leaders Trial!


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