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Posted: 11 years ago
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3224818#ixzz2vdbJvgaQ
Some information from the press conference.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I just saw news and the possibility of terrorism has been ruled out regarding this! 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago

The disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has left investigators, aviation experts and the authorities in several countries at a loss to explain what happened. As the search and inquiry continue, Matthew L. Wald, a correspondent for The New York Times, answers a few basic questions:

Q. How could a Boeing 777 simply vanish? Aren't they always tracked by radar or satellites?

A. Radar coverage is not universal, especially over water. In areas without radar, pilots are generally required to radio in their positions at fixed intervals, mostly to assure that air traffic controllers can keep aircraft out of one another's way. Between intervals, something could go wrong.

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Planes like the 777 also have automatic systems that send out data on engine performance and other technical functions. Those signals go to a maintenance base, not to air traffic control. Air France used those signals to help determine what happened when its Flight 447 disappeared over the equatorial Atlantic. Investigators may be doing something similar in Kuala Lumpur.

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A member of the military looked out of a helicopter during a search-and-rescue mission off the Tho Chu Islands of Vietnam on Monday. Credit Athit Perawongmetha/Reuters

Q. Plane crashes most often happen on landing or takeoff, but this flight vanished almost an hour after takeoff when it was cruising. What could cause a plane to crash at that point in a flight?

A. In three crashes at sea in the last few years, the aircraft's speed-sensing systems have malfunctioned. In two of those cases, crews failed to diagnose and cope with the problem. (In the third, there was probably nothing they could have done.) A deliberate act by a pilot, terrorism or an attack in the cockpit could be other causes.

Q. Shouldn't the signals from transponders or "black boxes" have pinpointed the aircraft by now?

A. If the black boxes are in water, "pingers," which emit a tone, are activated. But these are audible only in a limited area. And the plane may not be in the water.

Q. Why would the authorities not have found debris after so many hours of searching?

A. They may not be looking in the right place. The plane flies at 10 miles a minute, and no one knows exactly when it crashed, or whether it departed its assigned track before doing so.

Q. How far from its last known location could the aircraft have strayed?

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Flight MH370 left Kuala Lumpur International Airport just after midnight on Saturday. Malaysian authorities announced Monday that they were expanding the search zones.

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Sources: Malaysia's Department of Civil Aviation (search areas); flightradar24.com (flight path); Malaysia Airlines; GEBCO (water depth)

A. While we know where the last radio contact was, we do not know how long after that the airplane crashed, so it is hard to say. A jetliner cruising at 35,000 feet could glide as far as 80 or 90 miles after losing engine power if the pilots still had control.

Q. Are there any signs that terrorism might have been involved?

A. No group is known to have claimed to have destroyed the plane. Beyond that, not enough is known to speculate.

Q. If the plane had a major malfunction, wouldn't the pilots have called for help and sent distress signals?

A. Pilots have a mantra for setting priorities in an emergency: aviate, navigate, communicate. The first priority is to fly the airplane. Telling air traffic controllers on the ground what is going on comes third, since doing so is unlikely to instantly yield any help with the crisis in the cockpit, whatever it may be. If the pilots are fighting to keep the plane aloft, they may not have time to use the radio.

Q. Could one of the pilots have crashed the plane deliberately?

A. It's been known to happen: The crashes of an EgyptAir flight from Kennedy International Airport in 1999 and a SilkAir flight in Indonesia in 1997 were attributed to intentional acts by cockpit crew members. But nothing is yet known publicly to suggest that that happened on the Malaysia Airlines flight.

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Debris from Air France Flight 447 in the Atlantic Ocean. Credit Brazil's Air Force, via Associated Press

Q. Have other planes disappeared in this way in recent years?

A. There is no record of big planes simply disappearing, though they may take some time to find. A few pieces of debris from Air France Flight 447 were spotted floating in the Atlantic the day after the plane crashed in June 2009, but it took five days to find most of the wreckage. Small aircraft may be missing for much longer if they go down in remote areas. Steve Fossett, the daredevil adventurer who flew around the world solo in a plane and set records in a balloon, took off in his private plane in Nevada on Sept. 3, 2007, and his remains were found in October 2008.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Stolen passport 'no terror link'

Police chief Khalid Abu Bakar: "He [Iranian man] is not likely to be member of terrorist group"

A man travelling on a stolen passport on a missing Malaysian jet was a young Iranian who is not believed to have terrorist links, Malaysian police say.

They say the 19-year-old - named as Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad - was probably migrating to Germany.

Investigations are continuing into a second man using stolen documents.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing went missing on Saturday, after taking off with 239 on board. The search has been widened.

Police hold handout picsPolice released pictures of the young Iranian man

Experts have said the presence of two people with stolen passports on a plane was a breach of security, but is relatively common in a region regarded as a hub for illegal migration.

Malaysia's police chief Inspector Gen Khalid Abu Bakar said the young Iranian was "not likely to be a member of a terrorist group", adding that the authorities were in contact with his mother in Germany, who had been expecting her son to arrive in Frankfurt.

Without a trace

The authorities' statement supports an account given to the BBC by a young Iranian in Kuala Lumpur who says he was a school-friend of one of the men who boarded the airliner using a stolen passport.

He says the friend and another Iranian, also using a stolen passport, stayed with him before taking the Malaysia Airlines flight, and that they had hoped to settle in Europe.

Reports from Thailand suggest that the tickets of the two men, routing them to Amsterdam via Beijing, had been bought through a Thai travel agent and an Iranian middleman.

Officials say they still have no idea what went wrong.

The BBC's Richard Westcott examines how a plane can vanish without trace

None of the debris and oil slicks spotted in the water so far have proven to be linked to the disappearance.

Four areas of investigation for the disappearance of the aircraft were focused on the possibility of human agency, the police chief said: hijacking, sabotage, psychological problems or personal problems with passengers or crew.

The passengers on the flight were of 14 different nationalities. Two-thirds were from China, while others were from elsewhere in Asia, North America and Europe.

Meanwhile search teams have expanded their scope to the Straits of Malacca. Malaysian civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said that the search was ongoing "on both sides" of the peninsula.

Authorities said late on Monday that they were expanding the search area from 50 nautical miles from where the plane had disappeared - over waters between Malaysia and Vietnam - to 100 nautical miles (115 miles; 185km).


I dont think its a terrorist attack..

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Posted: 11 years ago

This is a note for the members indulging in mocking other members, using foul language and being spiteful. Although the topic is not related to BW but is still being allowed because the event is humane and many members are discussing it meaningfully and peacefully. Action will of course be taken against the erring ones but no more rule breaking. In case rule breaking continues the DT will have to close the thread.

There is GA also on the same https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/members-lounge/3943460/rememberingmh370-mh370-went-down-in-southern-indian-ocean
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Posted: 11 years ago
I read this. Really terrifying :(

http://naturalguru.co/six-important-facts-youre-told-lost-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/
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Posted: 11 years ago
Six important facts you're not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

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There are some astonishing things you're not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simplyvanishedover the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.

The mystery of the flight's sudden and complete disappearance has even the world's top air safety authorities baffled. "Air-safety and antiterror authorities on two continents appeared equally stumped about what direction the probe should take," reports theWall Street Journal.

WSJ goes on to report:

"For now, it seems simply inexplicable," said Paul Hayes, director of safety and insurance at Ascend Worldwide, a British advisory and aviation data firm.

While investigators are baffled, the mainstream media isn't telling you the whole story, either. So I've assembled this collection of facts that should raise serious questions in the minds of anyone following this situation.

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself " an object designed to survive powerful explosions " has eithervanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean,debrishas always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because " as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore " "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. IfFlight 370was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

One theory currently circulating on the net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting theaircraftand all its contents to "smithereens" " which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very largewhich would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed " three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information,on what happened to Flight 370.

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.

Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished

The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they've somehow missed all along).

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

Personally, I'm not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn't been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which canwithout leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Rhythmic.Me-

I just saw news and the possibility of terrorism has been ruled out regarding this! 😕

And for the strangest of reasons!
The Malaysian Authorities apparently are not investigating the terrorism angle anymore because the guy who was travelling on stolen passport was being expected by his mother at homeConfused
What sort of logic is that! Just because his mother knew about his travel plans makes him innocent?
What about his travelling on a stolen passport and crossing international borders illegally? In all probability, this was just a case of illegal immigration, yet at this point in time, nothing should be discounted.
If you guys are interested in reading more about this, go to a forum called www.pprune.org. It is run by professional pilots and people from the aviation industry and the theories floating there are just bizzare and scary as hell! But almost all of them are backed by solid facts and at least while reading, seem to make sense.
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Posted: 11 years ago
did they attempt fly with another boeing 777 with a similar flight path as the plane that crashed?
Was there any meteorite activity? Any solar flares activity?
They should possibly check for any radiation as well.
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Posted: 11 years ago
BREAKING: Malaysia military tracked missing jet to Strait of Malacca. (Reuters) #MH370 #MalaysiaAirlines

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