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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: briahna

Now, when ash got married, she had good movies on hand already. Just before marriage she had guru, a solid hit, and after marriage she had jodha akhbar with much happening hritik.

So, 2 back to back hits. THAT made her still one of the most sought after actresses, right there. For matured roles, ash came with the package.

Ash comes with this maturity, grace, classic beauty, and has excellent dance skills, which are bang on for these matured, romantic, musical, period, drama sagas. Some movies don't require much acting, tho they do require these certain qualities (dance) and classic beauty.

Plus, she was smart to grab movies which mainly focused on her and good for her, she didn't become a despo for hits only, and hide behind khans pallu to pull those hits. You are given that 10yr period to deliver your goods, you need to pay attention to the scripts, get out of your comfort zone and explore, and this will help you to get certain roles, say good roles in future.

If you see her movies in her thirties, you will know what I am talking about, guru, yes it was abhishek movie, but ash was given good footage, and the songs and her dances were brilliant, jodha akhbar, what a great outing was that, sarkaar raj (today kareena is doing prakash jha plolitical drama, ash already done that) even in Robot, her dances were a feast for eyes. She did mostly matured role with certain elegance. Even today she will most likely be considered for a period drama or a musical over these kareenas, ranis, and kats. Only actress who would be considered beside ash will be deepika, and who knows Illeana (have to wait and watch for her). Deepika, also like ash, is good dancer, has that classic FACE, and is graceful. Add bit of acting she is in.


While ur more Or less bang on about Kareena, i dont particularly agree with everything abt Ash. You give her too much credit as an actress. Shes had her fair share of disasters and her acting is cringe worthy. Granted shes improved over time, but still not much to be called a great actress. Her beauty has helped her come a long way. THAT is her x-factor and what has sustained her coupled with the BACHCHANS name tag. Dont forget, her career was in the dumpster before she hooked up with Abhishek Bachchan who was the upcoming hot shot.

She does experiment and take chances whereas Kareena goes with the flow (shes a follower, not a trend setter...insecure?), but she hasnt had much success at those experiments either. Her last hit was guru? a supporting character? Vidyas role was more significant and challanging. Her role in Sarkar Raaj wasnt that big either, the focus was amitabh, and i reckon Kareena will probably have a role similar to it (length) in her prakash jha movie.

My point is that, What diff does it make if Kareena has a career graph that has more downs than ups vs. Ash who also has more downs vs. ups also but experiments? Both are/were liked by the public, and while one has happily set up her home the other one is getting started and doesnt look like shes leaving anytime either. SHE, kareena, is the main choice for major roles that require acting NOW, not Ash. And to be honest, the industry has changed so much that it doesnt even make sense to compare them. Going by todays standards, you just have to be pretty, you'll learn to act...hopefulky before you hit the 10 year mark. 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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If I have to compare acting then Bebo is way better then Ash any day in that department.

Ash was the smart one out of the two, who knew how to keep her distance from the public and not letting her mouth run away. Aslo marrying in the right family. Ash has been lucky in that sense. Her beauty is her USP.

Bebo can act good but has zero script sense and comes across as an air head. Does not really pay attention to her roles. That's her major problem.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigal90

Let me put it this way.


Kareena will NOT be an Aamir Khan or Vidya Balan. Her films will NOT be consistent nor will she gives many hits.
Why? Coz she has no script sense. And to give hits, you have to choose GOOD films.
BUT, her films will get good openings, as they have been getting.

Honestly, I'm shocked as to WHY the audience, including myself, gives her chances again and again. Her films have disappointed me so often, but here I am, excited for yet another glimpse of Kareena Kapoor on the big screen.

In this sense, she can be compared to Salman in their script sense. Terrible, both of em.
Salman went through a phase of giving the worst flops, but one Dabangg later, all that changed.

Kareena also has this inconsistency. She does terrible films, good films, bad films, average films, great films. There's no pattern.
But Kareena is a star, and a big one at that. Always juggling between #1 and #2 with Katrina for the past 5 years.

I'm confident she's not going anywhere UNTIL she herself decides to take a break.

Kareena cannot be compared to Salman in terms of script sense. Salman knows what works for him while Kareena hasnt found her USP. Only actress who can be compared to Salman in terms of script sense is Katrina.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Enycedoll


While ur more Or less bang on about Kareena, i dont particularly agree with everything abt Ash. You give her too much credit as an actress. Shes had her fair share of disasters and her acting is cringe worthy. Granted shes improved over time, but still not much to be called a great actress. Her beauty has helped her come a long way. THAT is her x-factor and what has sustained her coupled with the BACHCHANS name tag. Dont forget, her career was in the dumpster before she hooked up with Abhishek Bachchan who was the upcoming hot shot.

She does experiment and take chances whereas Kareena goes with the flow (shes a follower, not a trend setter...insecure?), but she hasnt had much success at those experiments either. Her last hit was guru? a supporting character? Vidyas role was more significant and challanging. Her role in Sarkar Raaj wasnt that big either, the focus was amitabh, and i reckon Kareena will probably have a role similar to it (length) in her prakash jha movie.

My point is that, What diff does it make if Kareena has a career graph that has more downs than ups vs. Ash who also has more downs vs. ups also but experiments? Both are/were liked by the public, and while one has happily set up her home the other one is getting started and doesnt look like shes leaving anytime either. SHE, kareena, is the main choice for major roles that require acting NOW, not Ash. And to be honest, the industry has changed so much that it doesnt even make sense to compare them. Going by todays standards, you just have to be pretty, you'll learn to act...hopefulky before you hit the 10 year mark. 😆

IMO today its Deepika and Anushka who are the first choices for roles that need acting. The films which have decent roles for actresses are opposite actors who have been in the industry for less than 10 years. Kareena is already regarded as senior to them. Only films she has managed so far are opposite Imran Khan thanks to KJo. But for how long?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ksh-

Kareena cannot be compared to Salman in terms of script sense. Salman knows what works for him while Kareena hasnt found her USP. Only actress who can be compared to Salman in terms of script sense is Katrina.

I agree

Salman may come across as careless when it comes to scripts but he is not, he purposely picks it because it works for him, for katrina ditto!

she rejected barfi because she knew it had intense acting to do! smart choice again

with kareena, as ksh said, i think she really hasn't yet found what connects her with the audience the best! she picks what has worked before and that seems to be her focus more recently than the script itself!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Disagree. Because like Kareena, Salman also had the flop phase. He just recently found his USP, but what about before? Veer? Main Aur Mrs Khanna? London Dreams?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well Salman atleast found his USP since the last 2-3 years. That was after 20 years in the industry. But lets not forget men have it easier than women. So a man who found his USP at 43-44 can still rule till 50-55. If we need to give Kareena another 8 years in the industry to find her USP then she will be 40 by the time she realizes it. What are her chances of survival as a top bracket heroine till 40? Or being able to utilize her USP after 40?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Who said she's gonna take that long?
Who can predict that future?

Exactly my point, that Salman has also been inconsistent with scripts. But he had his fans ready when he finally got it right.
So far, Kareena's films have opened with decent to great openings. Tells me, people go in.
Heroine solidifies my belief. She single handedly, on her own power for whatever opening that film got. From promotions to the film itself. Yes it crashed later, but the film opened strong for a female centric film.
Edited by desigal90 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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^^^^^hmm...i dont know KSH. I mean, kareena was the first choice for even Ram Leela before she went off and got married. But my comment was strictly In ref to Ash vs. Kareena. Given that Ash (rather than losing weight is looking like an Aunty and with her advance age, im sure shes gonna wanna have a kid or two before passing 40+) isnt working, kareena is the next best option. But, who cares? I dont even watch movies anymore 😆 I like the gossip.

And comparing Kareena to Salman...well...lets just not go there. I wont blame the i dustry for double standards but rather the public. Theyre Ok with an old man but not a woman who's nearing 40...but then given the content produced by bollywood, itd be hard to find a role suitable for a 35+ woman. Anyway, i digress...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: desigal90

Who said she's gonna take that long?
Who can predict that future?

Exactly my point, that Salman has also been inconsistent with scripts. But he had his fans ready when he finally got it right.
So far, Kareena's films have opened with decent to great openings. Tells me, people go in.
Heroine solidifies my belief. She single handedly, on her own power for whatever opening that film got. From promotions to the film itself. Yes it crashed later, but the film opened strong for a female centric film.


No no no...never gonna happen. She can never have the salman srk or amir fan base. These guys established themselves over 20+ years ago and are SOLID. A few blips in their careers here and there isnt going to finish their career. Bitter pill to swallow, yes, but its the trith

And heroine was a Madhur and Kareena project...
Edited by Enycedoll - 12 years ago

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