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Posted: 11 years ago
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Her version seems highly exaggerated, seems like she wanted to jump on the Blame Islam Band wagon to get sympathies...

I agree with Batuklaal , pasting his comment below

She said she worked in night clubs as dancer. Forget about Muslims, no open minded cultured family will ever allow that. To Indians it is close to prostitution. If any member of the family do that they will try their best to stop. Send her to school, motivate her by education, religion etc. Over protective Muslim/Hindu or Indian families will find a man( old, widow, cripple or chaar bache ke baap) and get the girl married . If it is a son, they'll do the same or throw him out of the family. At least her parents didn't do any of such. They took care of her. Tried to protect.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heyybabyydolll


no i dont think she is supporting what her family did. She is saying that you can't really believe the whole hiring of a hitman to kill her part of the story when there are so many things that do not add up. If a lot of the things in her story are outright lies, how can you believe that any of it is even true? Her parents may have been abusive, which is obviously unjustifiable, but she definitely exaggerated everything to the point it seems like lies.


To be very honest i think her story has some "bloopers" in it..I dont think she is lying, but probably exaggerating..and probably also is trying to hide her own "flaws" just not to b questioned at all... but I have seen those kind of incidents happening firsthand in life and have seen families which cross all limits of humanity for their honor... and i dont believe ANYTHING can justify that... as said, if ur not happy with what ur kid does disown them and cut them out of ur life... what ShaZur said sounded like trying to find the fault Sophia for being abused and I find it really sad that A LOT of ppl (not referring to u ShaZur, just in general) have this mentality "aggar isko maarte the toh zaroor issi ne kuch kiya ho ga!"... which is just simply not acceptable.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I do not believe her a single bit. When it comes to honour there is no doubt parent can go to extreme length. You hear it everywhere, here in UK, Pakistan, India etc... If her parents were really that strict the way she described them, they wouldn't have spared her. I have her about parents killing their children because they have refused to marry the person of their choice n in Sofia's case this goes way beyond refusing to do something, stripping, dancing at nightclub, abortion, nude picture etc... After all that if her parents were that strict, I really doubt she would have been alive.
My opinion about her is simple, an out of control brat who has no respect for her parents, her religion, her culture and the lot.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rani48


I dont believe this women at all. No way her parents did anything of that to her. If it was true dont you think that maybe her sister would also come and back her up. its funny her mother was so tough on her and hired a Hit man to kill her but all of the sudden since she divorced her husband Sofias father she is a changed women. .. please if a women who was that mindset that her daughter working, or wearing those types of clothes, or dancing and singing is bad will never divorce her husband because that too is against her believe.

She is trying to get people to notice her and to become famous by making up this type of stories about her parents. Why are her parents not trying to kill her now. She is still using her fathers last name and if he was bad then he would be bad now also so what happen?


To believe or not to believe is everyones own choice, I will not comment on that. Waise bhi I think you have to see/experience such things live urself in life, to b able to see the symptoms of real abuse or just women making up stories (sadly some do).

Regarding the mother taking divorce, sorry this might b unnecessary information, but just thought to say it. In this kind of families a lot of men actually disown/divorce their wives when their daughters "dishonor" them. These kind of men a lot of time expect their wives to "control" their daughters, which is what explains the mother torturing her daughter sometimes more than the father. So it could b very much possible that after Sophie left her father kicked out her mother and divorced her.

Probably sounds impossible for u and maybe is off topic (sorry for tht), but i have once known a VERY TOUGH WOMAN who i have always seen very dominant and capable to handle every difficulty in life. She was madly in love with her husband AND SO WAS HE, but when their 19 year old daughter ran away. He did beat his wife like crazy, threw her on the street and divorced her, a couple of days later we got the news that she committed suicide.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@ Muskaan: Of course such incidents happens in real life. Girls are subjected to violence in name of honor. it happens among desi families in west and even rural areas back home. There is absolutely no doubt there. I can't even think of supporting family members in such situations. No excuse justifies any type of abuse.
However this issue to me seems a bit different. This is not about freedom but shamelessness. I would like to see a desi family here who would be okay with their girls doing such things. If there is anyone then please come forward.
Even forget all that. I say lets assume all this is true. She stll doesnt have the right to behave she is behaving in this show. She should not be accusing Ajaz of anything. She should not use this to gain sympathy. If anything her antics are going against her story as one does not find her geniuine.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: King-Anu

@ Muskaan: Of course such incidents happens in real life. Girls are subjected to violence in name of honor. it happens among desi families in west and even rural areas back home. There is absolutely no doubt there. I can't even think of supporting family members in such situations. No excuse justifies any type of abuse.

However this issue to me seems a bit different. This is not about freedom but shamelessness. I would like to see a desi family here who would be okay with their girls doing such things. If there is anyone then please come forward.
Even forget all that. I say lets assume all this is true. She stll doesnt have the right to behave she is behaving in this show. She should not be accusing Ajaz of anything. She should not use this to gain sympathy. If anything her antics are going against her story as one does not find her geniuine.


King-Anu... yes exactly that was just my point, IF THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS nothing justifies it.

About this issue? I agree it is different ...being independent and shameless are two completely different things, but who is to decide? See I believe that what u do with UR OWN life and body is simply up to ur choice and yes it's difficult for most desi families to accept it, but eventually they should. And that is what we have to learn in "our culture", simply let go any accept ppl the way they r.

Me personally? I do not agree with her lifestyle as such at all, but i dont judge her either and i find it quite sad that a lot of ppl do, maybe once ppl stop passing judgements we will get rid of all the "honor"-killing/abusing cases. To be honest I sometimes think that it might be that parents in such cases (Sophia's) have failed in their upbringing. I dont mean this in any offense to anyone, but i belief u shouldnt put too many restrictions on ur kids that they feel the need to rebel against everything. I for example would never feel comfortable doing such things, but also do my parents know that if i wanted they could never stop me and i believe thats the way it should b.

The right to behave the way she is behaving in this show? I get what u mean, but still she has the RIGHT to behave however she wants, as the only person she actually is effecting is herself (her image). As for Aijaz? Well I have said that a couple of times, i believe the "mard" thing has been a misunderstanding, as she does not speak well enough hindi to explain what she meant...her opinion was not far from what other ppl were thinking n saying "if a girl can do that, stop being a sissy and MAN UP!" ... I believe that the language barrier has created a huge thing out of nothing.. and for me her "hatred" towards Aijaz, as a chauvinistic man who judges women for what they do, shows pretty much that she has been "fighting" against those sort of man all her life and been "tortured" by them.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: batuklaal

I saw her first in Welcome Mehman Nawazi.

She insulted and started a fight with Shilpa because she touched her expansive shoes. She is a carbon copy of Suhas(3idiots). Who instantly told what is the price of her shoe and how dare Shilpa touched those. I never thought a way how a guest can save herself when host behaves that way. But amazingly Shilpa controlled the situation and cool her down saying , "Let's eat."

She poured water on another contestant. Insulted India and Indians. She had a fight with Rahul Mahajan and others when they protested her ill words against India.

She invited the guest and played as "Queen Elizabeth" at her home. Her home is another "Chidia Ghar". It is decorated by flag of England and other objects. She doesn't believe she's Indian but thinks herself as western. She is actually a psychological patient like Suhas.

As far as I have ideas about fanatic muslim families, they don't allow their girls to study . This family send her to University to study good subject such as "Biology." Biology is another subject, usually communal families think their kids should not study that. If her family was that backward how did they allowed that? It's so opposite of average communal Muslims.

She said she worked in night clubs as dancer. Forget about Muslims, no open minded cultured family will ever allow that. To Indians it is close to prostitution. If any member of the family do that they will try their best to stop. Send her to school, motivate her by education, religion etc. Over protective Muslim/Hindu or Indian families will find a man( old, widow, cripple or chaar bache ke baap) and get the girl married . If it is a son, they'll do the same or throw him out of the family. At least her parents didn't do any of such. They took care of her. Tried to protect.

That day I was watching DID. Where Mudasser ( judge and choreographer) shared his experience. How his parents were against dancing, how he used to escape from home. His mother never allowed him to house if he was late for dancing. But whenever he owned a prize and showed that to his mother, she used to say , "That's good. But from next don't go for dancing." Because dancing is completely against Islam. It took time for him, but now you know he has proved himself. This is the common story of every successful man and woman in India. Parents never agree, still we do. We prove ourselves and prove our parents wrong. One day they bless us and say , "We were wrong and you are right." But we don't accuse our parents that they tried to kidnap.

She couldn't proof that her mother hired a hitman.I'm sure yeh uski self created story. Although it happens all the time in India. But a family who allows such a spoiled girl( club dancer) to study in University can't be that bad. If you guys know or have idea of a real communal Muslim family, you'll know study for woman and going out at night is like insulting Quran. They seemed modern to me.

But I'm sympathized for her for what happened in her childhood with the relative. Her family should stand up with her. In this case her family is guilty. Most probably this was the reason of her later life's abnormal behavior. She shared this in WMN too and everyone felt sorry for her. Then her "Why did you touch my shoe" and "I'm not Indian" came in the picture. Like other contestants I've also forgot what she suffered in life. Still struggling to believe her. She is a plastic and phony. Girls like her do anything to prove they are right. Even make a story as "My mother wanted to kidnap me."



I agree with everything you said except "study for woman is like insulting Quran." Ummm...where did you hear that? Cause that is definitely false information. If anything, they are encouraged to gain knowledge. They just have to be properly covered up and have to present themselves respectfully. Nothing else...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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HeyybabyydolllI agree with everything you said except "study for woman is like insulting Quran." Ummm...where did you hear that? Cause that is definitely false information. If anything, they are encouraged to gain knowledge. They just have to be properly covered up and have to present themselves respectfully. Nothing else...
Thanks for pointing it out. I did not read through. lol

Yes there is no such thing as study for woman is like insulting Quran. I dont think millions of Muslim girls and families are insulting Quran by getting education. lol. Poster does not have correct information.

muskaan23
King-Anu... yes exactly that was just my point, IF THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS nothing justifies it.
About this issue? I agree it is different ...being independent and shameless are two completely different things, but who is to decide? See I believe that what u do with UR OWN life and body is simply up to ur choice and yes it's difficult for most desi families to accept it, but eventually they should. And that is what we have to learn in "our culture", simply let go any accept ppl the way they r.

I disagree with that as in our culture family is a unit not individual. One just needs to accept that. Still I will give you this point as its my personal take.

Me personally? I do not agree with her lifestyle as such at all, but i dont judge her either and i find it quite sad that a lot of ppl do, maybe once ppl stop passing judgements we will get rid of all the "honor"-killing/abusing cases. To be honest I sometimes think that it might be that parents in such cases (Sophia's) have failed in their upbringing. I dont mean this in any offense to anyone, but i belief u shouldnt put too many restrictions on ur kids that they feel the need to rebel against everything. I for example would never feel comfortable doing such things, but also do my parents know that if i wanted they could never stop me and i believe thats the way it should b.

For a start she needs to stop judging as well. Calling someone a namard and keep repeating it on basis of not standing in water when one is injured is not a proper judgement.
Well it was not like she was fighting for her freedom there. lol. Even in west parents would object to her behavior. However as I said abuse etc is not answer either.
The right to behave the way she is behaving in this show? I get what u mean, but still she has the RIGHT to behave however she wants, as the only person she actually is effecting is herself (her image). As for Aijaz? Well I have said that a couple of times, i believe the "mard" thing has been a misunderstanding, as she does not speak well enough hindi to explain what she meant...her opinion was not far from what other ppl were thinking n saying "if a girl can do that, stop being a sissy and MAN UP!" ... I believe that the language barrier has created a huge thing out of nothing.. and for me her "hatred" towards Aijaz, as a chauvinistic man who judges women for what they do, shows pretty much that she has been "fighting" against those sort of man all her life and been "tortured" by them.
I meant behavior of accusing some and ignoring others.
Even Ajaz can say I meant I will slap you and not anything sexual. I seem to have missed Ajaz as chauvinistic man. Armaan is the same or worst. I think she called him gentleman.
point is that she should keep out of it. thanks
edit: i am having issues with quote.
Edited by King-Anu - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: King-Anu

Heyybabyydolll

muskaan23

I disagree with that as in our culture family is a unit not individual. One just needs to accept that. Still I will give you this point as its my personal take.

For a start she needs to stop judging as well. Calling someone a namard and keep repeating it on basis of not standing in water when one is injured is not a proper judgement.
Well it was not like she was fighting for her freedom there. lol. Even in west parents would object to her behavior. However as I said abuse etc is not answer either.
I meant behavior of accusing some and ignoring others.
Even Ajaz can say I meant I will slap you and not anything sexual. I seem to have missed Ajaz as chauvinistic man. Armaan is the same or worst. I think she called him gentleman.
point is that she should keep out of it. thanks
edit: i am having issues with quote.


1. Most definitely in our culture family is a unit, but i look at things in quite a different was... u may call it a bit "spiritual", no matter how much i love my family but at the end of the day i am here in this world to live the life God has given ME and he has a individual plan for me. As u say its everyones personal view about things...but wait "points"?? hahah.. is this an argument? I hope not, as that was not my intention at all, yaar...

2. Of course she should not judge either. But i was saying that JUST for my self, that I TRY NOT TO JUDGE PPL and i hope more ppl would try that... I was not saying that she is a "saint" who does all the right things. As in "Namard" .. she didnt use that word.. she said "Mard Banno" and was simply translating from "Be a MAN" ... I think in this video Gauhar said very well, what I am trying to say too, maybe u'd like to watch:
http://colors.in.com/in/biggboss/videos/ajaz-wants-to-apologizeuncensored-day59-49190-13.html#nav

3. Of course she ws not fighting for her freedom, I am saying that her words r influenced by her experiences in life (whatever those r)... and parents of the west? - let me please clarify again: I DO NOT SUPPORT HER LIFESTYLE ...I dont "want" any woman to do that, I wouldnt do that myself and I would never encourage any woman to do things she does, but i refuse to judge her by that...

4. the accusing someone (Aijaz) ...oh i didnt know u meant tht.. again ya she should not judge either...

5. Aijaz meant to slap her? - well i think his comment ws clear and the reaction of Kamya, Pratyusha, Tanisha and Gauhar showed that too and also he agreed that what he said was a very "gandi baat" and apologized.

6. Aijaz being chauvinistic and Armaan not? Come on yaar, I was trying to explain/assume what Sophia "feels" about Aijaz... I AM NOT SAYING THIS ABOUT HIM. And Armaan, ya well thats Sophia's POV about him, not mine.

At the end i feel u got me completely wrong... y opinion was just that abuse against ur children in the name of honor is wrong, nothing more nothing less, beyond that i am not pro Sophia and against Aijaz and also not the other way around.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Teen Sawaal:

Hitman ka kya finally hua?

How did Sofia ji survive him?

How did she get to know that her Mom hired him?
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Anyone who knows the answers...????

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