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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Saregama_fan

Nice work cruiser in starting a topic that got us all thinking about the credibility of things... and really nice work by SanaSarwar who put the confusion to rest... at least for now 😆


SanaSarwar was using the familiar diversionary tactic of introducing a red herring, a logical fallacy used to undermine an argument.

Red Herring: This is a diversionary tactic that avoids the key issues, often by avoiding opposing arguments rather than addressing them. Example:

The level of mercury in seafood may be unsafe, but what will fishers do to support their families?

In this example, the author switches the discussion away from the safety of the food and talks instead about an economic issue, the livelihood of those catching fish. While one issue may affect the other it does not mean we should ignore possible safety issues because of possible economic consequences to a few individuals.

Many other logical fallacies have been used in this and other threads

Ad populum: This is an emotional appeal that speaks to positive (such as patriotism, religion, democracy) or negative (such as terrorism or fascism) concepts rather than the real issue at hand. Example:

don't worry this anti Sangram campaign is on since few days ... but if u r a true Indian be proud of ur hero .. OR if you ask me, sangram stands way ahead of all the tv actors...no offence but i feel sportsperson getting recognition from another country and actually winning the world championship is just way way ahead of any tv actor


Circular Argument: This restates the argument rather than actually proving it. Example: George Bush is a good communicator because he speaks effectively. In this example, the conclusion that Bush is a "good communicator" and the evidence used to prove it "he speaks effectively" are basically the same idea

Circular argument used to defend Sangram on IF..

"anyone from my country was given recognition of World's Best Professional Wrestler ... World Wrestling Professionals pagal to hain nahi ... koiee to waja hogee sangram ko yeh title dainay ke ??/ us ki koyee to achievement hogee.. "


Ad hominem: This is an attack on the character of a person rather than his or her opinions or arguments. Example:

Btw I am curious why TM so interestingly collected information on Sangram. What's the story man? Which contestant agent you are?😉 OR all these topics are popping up from newbies ...i wonder ?!!!...


Ad ignorantiam : The argument from ignorance basically states that a specific belief is true because we don't know that it isn't true. Example

"Just because you cant find any mention of his awards on google ,doesn't mean he hasn't won them."


Argument from authority: The basic structure of such arguments is as follows: Professor X believes A, Professor X speaks from authority, therefore A is true. Often this argument is implied by emphasizing the many years of experience, or the formal degrees held by the individual making a specific claim.

"The govt of india wouldn't have spared him either for using APJ Kalam's picture,if it were fake..he is public figure and his story is well known..if it were a lie some one would have dug it up by now.


Argument from Personal Incredulity: I cannot explain or understand this, therefore it cannot be true. Example:

If any of those achievements told by Salman Khan about Sangram Singh weren't true then media would have crushed him by now. Morover someone would have filed a PIL against him


Edited by BossB - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: BossB


SanaSarwar was using the familiar diversionary tactic of introducing a red herring, a logical fallacy used to undermine an argument.

Red Herring: This is a diversionary tactic that avoids the key issues, often by avoiding opposing arguments rather than addressing them. Example:

The level of mercury in seafood may be unsafe, but what will fishers do to support their families?

In this example, the author switches the discussion away from the safety of the food and talks instead about an economic issue, the livelihood of those catching fish. While one issue may affect the other it does not mean we should ignore possible safety issues because of possible economic consequences to a few individuals.

Many other logical fallacies have been used in this and other threads

Ad populum: This is an emotional appeal that speaks to positive (such as patriotism, religion, democracy) or negative (such as terrorism or fascism) concepts rather than the real issue at hand. Example:

don't worry this anti Sangram campaign is on since few days ... but if u r a true Indian be proud of ur hero .. OR if you ask me, sangram stands way ahead of all the tv actors...no offence but i feel sportsperson getting recognition from another country and actually winning the world championship is just way way ahead of any tv actor


Circular Argument: This restates the argument rather than actually proving it. Example: George Bush is a good communicator because he speaks effectively. In this example, the conclusion that Bush is a "good communicator" and the evidence used to prove it "he speaks effectively" are basically the same idea

Circular argument used to defend Sangram on IF..

"anyone from my country was given recognition of World's Best Professional Wrestler ... World Wrestling Professionals pagal to hain nahi ... koiee to waja hogee sangram ko yeh title dainay ke ??/ us ki koyee to achievement hogee.. "


Ad hominem: This is an attack on the character of a person rather than his or her opinions or arguments. Example:

Btw I am curious why TM so interestingly collected information on Sangram. What's the story man? Which contestant agent you are?😉 OR all these topics are popping up from newbies ...i wonder ?!!!...


Ad ignorantiam : The argument from ignorance basically states that a specific belief is true because we don't know that it isn't true. Example

"Just because you cant find any mention of his awards on google ,doesn't mean he hasn't won them."


Argument from authority: The basic structure of such arguments is as follows: Professor X believes A, Professor X speaks from authority, therefore A is true. Often this argument is implied by emphasizing the many years of experience, or the formal degrees held by the individual making a specific claim.

"The govt of india wouldn't have spared him either for using APJ Kalam's picture,if it were fake..he is public figure and his story is well known..if it were a lie some one would have dug it up by now.


Argument from Personal Incredulity: I cannot explain or understand this, therefore it cannot be true. Example:

If any of those achievements told by Salman Khan about Sangram Singh weren't true then media would have crushed him by now. Morover someone would have filed a PIL against him




Brilliant stuff that!👏

MBA? Or teach Communication, as a subject? 😊

Edited by -Cruiser- - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
award without any achievements is not possible guys ..give it a break n accept that on national tv u can't lie about notational awards ..otherwise u r calling India as fool state ..


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SanaSarwar

award without any achievements is not possible guys ..give it a break n accept that on national tv u can't lie about notational awards ..otherwise u r calling India as fool state ..




Won't give up just as yet on the quest to learn more about Sangram Singh. 😊

Please list--Which AWARD Sangram won and for what?

One of the news clipping you posted says was conferred with a CROWN AWARD! Whats that? Who awards this and for what?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Sangram Singh to be the face of Winter Para Olympics 2014 too .. i think only u know what is right just like Gohar in bigg boss n .. all the world is being made fool ??? don't degrade your national hero ...The 22nd Winter Olympic games, which are scheduled to be held in Sochi (Russia) from 7th February to 23rd February, 2014, will have Sangram as its brand ambassador

Edited by SanaSarwar - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
i think india is a fool nation anybody can have rajiv 's award n can click pictures .. can claim it to receive it on national newspaper, channels n can have channel endorse it too .. how easy ..
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SanaSarwar

Sangram Singh to be the face of Winter Para Olympics 2014 too .. i think only u know what is right just like Gohar in bigg boss n .. all the world is being made fool ??? don't degrade your national hero ...The 22nd Winter Olympic games, which are scheduled to be held in Sochi (Russia) from 7th February to 23rd February, 2014, will have Sangram as its brand ambassador



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Winter_Olympics

http://www.sochi2014.com/en/games/sport/paralympic-games/

http://www.olympic.org/sochi-2014-winter-olympics

http://www.sochi2014.com/en/

Please open the relevant links and try to find if Sangram Singh actually has anything to do with Winter Paralympic games to be held at Sochi or not?😊

I may be like Gauhar, like Armaan, like Kamya or like Johnny Lever! What it has to do with the discussion topic?😛

Have you found out when Sangram won the COMMONWEALTH WRESTLING GOLD MEDAL? The thrust question of this whole thread?😲

If you say he won a CROWN Award at Rewari, one Hero Award at Gurgaon, one Veer Hanuman Award at Rohtak, it doesn't make your case stronger. 🤢

I am actually interested in learning WHEN & WHERE, Sangram Singh won COMMONWEALTH WRESTLING GOLD MEDAL? His website says 2006 South Africa.🤔

May be you have realised its a fake claim and he actually lied. Right?😊


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Posted: 11 years ago
regarding COMMONWEALTH WRESTLING GOLD MEDAL? only sangram can c answer it .. but tell me why would guy who is nothing bogus no achievements get national awards like President n rajiv awards ?/ why degrade your hero ?? why ??? as i said you are making your country looks like nation of fools ..
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Cruiser-



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Winter_Olympics

http://www.sochi2014.com/en/games/sport/paralympic-games/

http://www.olympic.org/sochi-2014-winter-olympics

http://www.sochi2014.com/en/

Please open the relevant links and try to find if Sangram Singh actually has anything to do with Winter Paralympic games to be held at Sochi or not?😊

I may be like Gauhar, like Armaan, like Kamya or like Johnny Lever! What it has to do with the discussion topic?😛

Have you found out when Sangram won the COMMONWEALTH WRESTLING GOLD MEDAL? The thrust question of this whole thread?😲

If you say he won a CROWN Award at Rewari, one Hero Award at Gurgaon, one Veer Hanuman Award at Rohtak, it doesn't make your case stronger. 🤢

I am actually interested in learning WHEN & WHERE, Sangram Singh won COMMONWEALTH WRESTLING GOLD MEDAL? His website says 2006 South Africa.🤔

May be you have realised its a fake claim and he actually lied. Right?😊


criuserji u should try in freestyle wrestling comeptition..i guess hr may have participated in that and there is remote chance that he may have won something for india..did u tried?
Edited by fire_gun - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
its rajeev gandhi ekta award not prestige one rajeev gandhi khel ratna award
Edited by fire_gun - 11 years ago

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