Dance of Time and Illusion ( Episode Analysis)Part 30updated DTNTPg131 - Page 34

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Posted: 8 years ago
17/4/2017

One thing was proven today. Experience take advantage of the oppourtunity. That's what Maya said to Saanjh when she pulls her down from the steps. That is what Maya did with Ayan. Yes he was guilty. I still dont take his guilt of physical assault and intimidation with flithy dialogues. These things Maya didnt do. Maya was not mouthing those dialogues nor does Maya rip her clothes. Ayan ripped her clothes, yes for keys. Yes he thought he can get away ripping her dress to get keys. Yes she kicked and he fell, but again he did bite and when Samay took him he was till shouting I will not leave her. So Ayan though had no intention of raping Maya was willing to assault her to get keys. And Maya played the gamble of accusing him of rape.

Today Samay told something to Saanjh. Leave Maya. Think about Ayan. Yes that is the truth. The same thing I had put in my post also. What is the difference between dusky and Maya. Yes Maya is a criminal, manipulator whatsever, but if Dusky has to win, she has to be ethical she has to be selfless and has to stand for justice. It is not defeating Maya. It is getting justice for Ayan. When she asked Samay not to come, she was also falling in the manipulation funda. I had told if Samay was put on the stand and Saanjh's arguments were based on his testimony then obviously she would have won. Samay was not against her. But she made him against her.

Again Samay told her life is not competition where it is always about winning and losing and if she can come out of the circle of winning and losing she will find Samay at the same place. Samay or time wants to be with Dusky but will Dusky listen to that voice of truth.

Her mother also told Saanjh the same thing. Yes Maya is obsessed, but she is also obsessed with Arjun to the extend she has no time for her family, no time for what they feel. Yes her parents want a good future for Saanjh, which they see with Samay. But then Saanjh cannot. Whichever lady has the guts to let go of Arjun will win the war is my take.

What Arjun told to Jhanvi is right. It is all his mistake that Ayan has ended up in the mess. How did he think he can fool Maya and then go to his family. How did he think Maya wont find out. She has so many CCTV cameras and other things. He made a spectacle of his wife in front of his brother and his wife made his brother a spectacle in front of the world.

Well I didnt had much issue with what Maya did with Saanjh. That is true to her nature. After getting so much insulted in the witness box it would have been a surprise if Maya had kept quiet. Maya told one thing. To give punishment to Saanjh is someone's else's job. But that is true for Maya also. That's what Samay told Saanjh. To leave Maya and concentrate on Ayan. Because if she goes behind Maya, things will be diastrous. Can Saanjh leave self proclaimed Goddess status and look at the issue objectively. Can she let go of Arjun and fight the battle of justice.

Maya is going to have the child this time. I knew it. Arjun will have relation with her, to make her feel wanted. Once again dusky aur duffer ka bander. If CVs are taking this line, where Maya has knowingly accused Ayan for rape then her death is the only thing that can come out, with Arjun and Saanjh coming together for the child. Yes Maya will have the child for sure so that Maya can never go from Arjun's life. But then the dance of illusion and time is not yet finished. So not sure what more things are in store. Only when we see where Samay or time stands we will be able to see the truth for what it is.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Shruthi ur todays post i agree with all the points ...
Just one thing where I'm struck is the warning that Maya gave to sanjh ... Is samay the one to punish her ? Because she said it's someone else ... And now if sanjh will interfere more with maya her punishment is not too far ...
Another thing is samay told sanjh that when she'll come out off all this mess he'll be there waiting for her ... But he had already confessed his love for maya and wants her to be back with him ... So how is he going to wait for sanjh ...
Does that dialogue refer to samay the man or time the symbol ...
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Posted: 8 years ago
@poornima there are couple of things that has left me confused. Samay the metaphor and Samay the man is one responsible for confusion. And his job is just that, that also I know 😆😆😆. What he is upto is under a cloud.
Samay tells if she can leave the cycle of competition and come out he will wait for her. But what if she is not leaving the cycle of competition. Saanjh says forgetting is not easy. If Saanjh doesnt leave cycle of competition then Samay the man and Samay the metaphor will go for Maya?
Samay the man is with Maya. He already told he is willing to drink poison for Maya. But the metaphor I guess is still with Saanjh and maybe the man will also come if she can let go of Arjun. As it was after she chose Arjun and went to meet him, Samay goes to meet Maya.

Second question. CVs always show Maya's plan, her manipulations. But they didnt show her thoughts after the miscarriage. So once again question. Was Maya really pregnant and was that miscarriage true.

Again the murders. If CVs can show us everything why not the murders, there is no big deal to it, if their only plan is to reveal Maya did it in the end. Let us know upfront, then it will only be how Saanjh will unravel it or prove it. I feel people adore Maya the character and the way Jenny carries it. No one is expecting any mahanta from her 😆😆.

Then they are 2-3 contradicting symbolisms. Maya's duppatta falling on Arjun's eyes. Saanjh removes it. But Arjun doesnt throw it away though she asks him to throw it. Instead he keeps it behind him telling it can be used for cleaning 😆😆

Maya's one earring which dusky gives back. It doesnt add up if Saajun is the end game.

Dusky's punishment will be given by time if she doesnt leave the path of competition. Somehow defeat Maya than get justice for Ayan.

If she doesnt leave competition she will become the quintessential Karna of MB. His only flaw was his competition with Arjun, his need to defeat Arjun who is praised by everyone. He kept all his arsenal for Arjun. It was so obvious that Krishna finally takes the power from his hand. Karna any day was more talented was Arjun, but then the unhealthy competition with Arjun did him in along with calling Panchali a prostitute in infamous hall of dice.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Confusing episode...
Its upto saanj which path she chooses to go..She can be karna or Arjun,but mostly will be karna as she already called Maya names..

Samay said I will take any form to Maya,so he can be her child also..I will come to you before ur time ends it's his words to Maya.

Vandana curses indicates Arjun will be with Maya but no luxuries .
Once when Maya tells I don't like to lose Jhanvi tells learn from others..Y can't be this phase maya learn what is true love from Arjun and obeserving others..
She doesn't know how to love her child also as her mom always put her husband above her..She did the same last time drinking and not eating jux to teach lesson to her husband..

As per spoiler,VM gets heart attack,this may teach maya what is MAA love..Likewise she may learn..

Arjun tells dusky and duffer Bandar but saanj corrects its Maya and Arjun..

If they don't show the hypocrite behaviour of saanj I will be very disappointed..She is not at all selfless
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Posted: 8 years ago
Shruthi ... I highly doubt on sajun being the end game ... Its not that way because if it is then it's highly contradicting with the first dupatta scene ...
And i have a feeling of samay being with Sanjh in the end ... Because ...
If Maya's truth / or the sach has to come out sanjh has to follow the path what samay told today ... and as u said That will lead her to samay the man and the metaphor...
Secondly do you remember the scene when samay was telling sanjh about his meeting with a girl and they were joking ... She said .. "tell that girl ye wala samay mera h " though jokingly but i do feel it's connection with samay and sanjh together ...

And the CVS not showing the murdered i think the only reason is building up the suspense and keeping end open ...
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Posted: 8 years ago
@sunithi the outcome depends on the path chosen by Saanjh. If she chooses the darkness in her that is obsession for Arjun, then it will be mindless destruction, but if she can choose the light inside her that is what her father has taught her, real selflessness of letting go, then things can change.
@poornima if Saanjh has to win she has to let go. As you said she has to take Samay's direction. Instead of following Maya she has to concentrate on Ayan's bail. Samay also told one more thing. She cannot decide on what Arjun will decide. It is absolute truth. Arjun is a grown up. Allow him to take decisions and let him pay the price of his decisions. Why baby sit him. Look at things professionally and personally. As Suman said what does Saanjh lack for her to cry like this. Yes she lost a case. She is not a fresh lawyer. She is in the business for atleast 3-4 years. She knows there are options. It is a sessions court. Look at the case objectively. Personally she has got a man in her life. Why she break her head on another woman's husband.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Great post Shruti di! You are right. Saanjh's fight was never ethical. It didn't look she was trying to save Ayaan but more like she was trying to unmask Maya in front of Arjun so that he comes back to her. It's always winning against Maya for her. She considers Maya as her competitor. She kept on screaming her lungs out that she will win cuz she's with the truth and truth alwYs wins .But her fight was not for truth... it was more of a fight to bring Maya down and her becoming the hero in Arjuns eyes. All her life everything just revolves around Arjun and it was proved yet again.
After losing the court case she didn't feel that Ayaan was wrongly framed in a case... that he got convicted for the wrong crime. It shouldn't have been attempt to rape but trespassing and manhandling a woman! All her thought was why Duffer can't see the truth of Maya ! To Samay also she said ' meri duffer ko sacchai nahi dikhta ' something along that line but she did say ' meri duffer ' and Samay seemed to take note of that ' meri duffer ' part! What he felt hearing it I cannot tell cuz these days it's very difficult to read Samay's expressions. Most of the time he's giving a blank look.
Suman came and told the exact words that we have been telling about Saanjh... aur mujhe bahut khush kar diya 😆 Looks like CVS stalk this forum or maybe twitter... cuz her words were a complete copy paste 😆😆
Samay also told that she should stop thinking about Arjun cuz he has chosen his life. He said after winning and losing is no more important to her and when she can come out of it ...then she will find Samay waiting for her. If we say Maya is always about winning and controlling and to win she even manipulates ...saanjh is also following that path slowly. Since the first time Ayaan was arrested we had mentioned she was not happy to see him out but her thoughts were more that she had lost to Maya.
That was proven right again after this court case. Her main agenda is to defeat Maya not the real cause . To me it seems she's taking baby steps towards a path that Maya has gone long before. She has lost the most important thing in her life ..her Arjun. Don't think she has been able to get over that loss till now. If she doesn't listen to her parents and Samay to let go off Arjun and Maya and concentrate on her own life... that day won't be far when she will start manipulating things too to win.

Maya got this controlling manipulating nature cuz Ashwin provoked her called her mad ,tortured her all cuz she wasn't a normal child... so she learnt to get things by hook or by crook.
We cannot overlook what Saanjh is doing here too... she thinks Maya as her rival who has taken what she wanted all her life.

This constant losing to Maya... might make her more determined but it will have a negative effect on her cuz her battle is not to unfold the truth following the correct path but it's more to win against Maya and now to win she might even choose wrong ways ...just like Maya has done ! That's the reason the words Samay told her is important ..if she doesn't come out of this game of winning and losing Samay cannot support her. Her parents also advised her to think of herself and her life. But don't think she will listen to anyone. Her losing to Maya has become everything now.

ArYa consummated and baby might be on the way Maybe that's the reason their consummation at the Shantispot was so abstract. I felt for the first time Kushal actually looked totally into the scene... in fact to me it seemed he was into it then more than Jenny 😆 Jenny is queen of romance and romance is her forte ...but for the first time I felt kushal also gave his cent percent to this scene.

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Posted: 8 years ago
Shruti di I just have to say ..your post covered everything I have in mind abt the episode.
Too good analysis.
Samay look to maya was like he knows what have maya done may be.
He has said some sensible words to sanjh "il be here only if u leave that winning & losing" on those lines.
And the most important lines wt suman said is true, more than maya sanjh is obsessed of arjun & still she is saying 'mera duffer' .
Sanjh is crying bcz of losing by maya but she atleast now shud think rationally.
Anyways samay is a neutral character is what I believe. He isn't taking any sides like he said earlier.
whatever he is speaking it is really brief & meaningful.
So now baby is on its way, bt if arjun knows abt maya truth then separation happens and separation is the end of this phase2.

Btwn yday romance was too gud hehe. First time I felt Kushal was totally into it & both had made it really hot. This romantic scene was too gud than previous ones of theirs ;)
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Posted: 8 years ago
@unique when Suman was speaking that dialogue I was like, this is what we were telling. To me it felt like Samay's or time's warning. If she leaves competition he will be there, else well it will be what Maya says, Saanjh punishment will be given by time. Also this consummation of Arya Saanjh was not in between😆😆
@Nithu she has to stop mera duffer jaap and look at her life rationally both personal and professional. Her client is Ayan. Her goal has to be protecting him, not defeating Maya. Fun was she telling I dont want to win with lie. I was like girl what are you telling. After asking eye witness to stay away you are preaching
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@unique when Suman was speaking that dialogue I was like, this is what we were telling. To me it felt like Samay's or time's warning. If she leaves competition he will be there, else well it will be what Maya says, Saanjh punishment will be given by time. Also this consummation of Arya Saanjh was not in between😆😆

@Nithu she has to stop mera duffer jaap and look at her life rationally both personal and professional. Her client is Ayan. Her goal has to be protecting him, not defeating Maya. Fun was she telling I dont want to win with lie. I was like girl what are you telling. After asking eye witness to stay away you are preaching


Hahaha yeah right man! This is the first time when Arjun and Maya made love with no one viewing..😆

The vows that Arjun took before marriage was all what Maya wanted him to say. But this time again in the shower he made promises quiet similar to the vows... like they are one ...and if one is not there the other is incomplete... something similar... I don't remember the exact cheesy lines! 😆All these words coming out from Arjun this time without any pressure from Maya should have some justifications... otherwise why will they make him say those! No matter how toxic their relation is... no matter how dark it is. ..but this time their love making seemed pure (unexpected from a sick relationship) 😆
Earlier if you notice when Arjun wanted to consummate in the earlier days it was more like lust eagerness to break his Vrat but this time it seemed genuine concern , care, love ...he meant each word he said to her to ease her pain... from Arjuns side it was totally pure nothing fake but Maya though had control and to win over Arjun in her mind .She was not fully genuine.

Also Arjuns love will always be Maya... Arjuns hate will also be always Maya. He will not be able to love anyone more than Maya nor will be able to hate anyone more than Maya. They have a strange equation... I hope u r understanding what I mean 😆 cuz sometimes even I get confused with my thoughts 😆

That is the reason they did not build a proper base for Saajun love story. It's just Saanjh's unrequited love for him... but he never felt anything that way for her.
I think Arjun is so much deep in this dark world of his and Mayas that he may have thoughts of coming out but will not really try to come out. He was never close to his family... took them and dusky for granted... I don't feel he will find happiness staying with them that people think he would. He loves them... doesn't want them to be harmed... but I don't feel he's cut out for living a simple happily ever after life.
What you think?

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