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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: MistyDawn

2. ) her saying I trusted you and I thought marriage will make everything right, doesn't convince me about that person being Maya.. Jhanvi trusted Maya? ya..ok..mother's trust their daughters but is that something you would say? to me sounded like Jhanvi knew this person and had been confiding in him/her.. about her secrets? her plans? is this Arjun planted by Jhanvi? to get all her property? random incidents here n there makes me want to connect dots.. Arjun has always been an ambitious guy..Jhanvi understood that.. Arjun blurting out in drunk state at his bachelors party.. that he now own the company and everything that Maya has.. Ayaan had asked him then did he really love Maya?.. I dunno... something didn't feel right that day.. Is it possible that Jhanvi used Ashwin and then found a new pawn in Arjun ( that's why she kept apologizing to Ashwin??) but he double crossed her.. killed Ashwin and now is trying to put the blame on her? which is why the trust word and also the line that marriage will set things straight.. in terms of Maya's wealth and all.. ??

4.) I have a different interpretation of your 5th point which is 1.) why Jhanvi called Maya to the godown.. I don't think it was to confront her but to tell her the truth about Arjun..What she didn't realize was that Maya will bring Arjun along and that's why she kept hiding.. why would she call Maya and then hide from her? she can confront Maya infront of Arjun and Saanjh if she wanted to.. think about it.. the whole time she seemed to be scared of Arjun.. 2.) why she chose to confide in Saanjh and not Maya.. maybe coz after realizing that Maya is blind in her love and trust for Arjun, the only choice she was left with at that moment was Saanjh.. neutral atleast in Jhanvi's eyes.. she did try to confide in Maya first..only after Maya got Arjun in the picture, did she turn to Saanjh.


wow 👏👏👏 valid points! 😊😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
#42
I feel like its MAYA whoz doin all dis 😭😭 Ive been sayin dis ryt frm d marriage track!
i completely feel like evry hint is pointin 2wrds maya nly. 😭

Although her doin all dis wud make her look like a psycho who cud go2 any extents jus to get wot she wants.😭 cud even harm d ppl she luvs 😭😭

Kushal DID say dat by d end of beyhadh, we ll HATE maya 😭😭

& jhanvi was sayin smtn of dis sort to d killer "Y r u tryna prove me crazy".. V saw in d segment hw she found out abt maya tryna make jhanvi appear crazy

& d "asli pagal tum ho" part also directly hints@ maya. since d wrld sees maya as perfect, but jhanvi as crazy!

bt dis wud srsly b a ridiculous twist Maya tryna prove her own mom as crazy wen jhanvi was actually ready2 kill ashwin fr her sake then goin 2 d extent of killin her jus 2 prove she killed ashwin & has committed suicide.. 😭😭
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Posted: 8 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

So after watching today's episode and putting together everything that we have read and seen from the spoiler segments I think they are moving towards making Maya the culprit...

The reason I say this is that:

1. One of the BTS segments showed Jhanvi finding evidence that Maya has been giving her medicines to hallucinate and that Maya is behind all this but in the show they made it look like it's Arjun who Jhanvi suspects as she saw him talking to that guy. They have not shown us the part where Jhanvi finds evidence against Maya. With Jhanvi going into a coma now it's pretty clear that they will show that scene as a FB at some point. They just shot the scene already for continuity.

2. Jhanvi is definitely referring to Maya or Arjun as the killer so Saanjh is off the hook. They are going out of their way to make Arjun look like the suspicious one so I am pretty sure it's not him. That leaves Maya.

3. Jhanvi's dialogues today to the killer about telling the world the truth about him/her, telling the world who the real pagal is, asking him/her why they are doing this to her, telling that she thought marriage would solve everything etc definitely looks like stuff she would tell Maya rather than Arjun.

4. Whoever Jhanvi suspects IS THE KILLER because he/she leads to Jhanvi's fall today and was coming towards her with a knife. So the theory that a 4th person is doing all this and trying to frame Maya does not hold true anymore. If there was a 4th unknown person Jhanvi would have been surprised to see him/her as she suspects either Maya / Arjun.

5. Jhanvi calls Maya to the godown probably to confront her. Also, Jhanvi wants to tell Saanjh the truth. If Arjun is the killer should'nt she tell Maya the truth instead of Saanjh?? Saanjh is Arjun's best friend and loves him so what makes Jhanvi trust Saanjh with the truth instead of her own daughter?? The only reason she would want to tell Saanjh the truth instead of Maya is if she things Saanjh will be able to do something about it.

Keeping all these points in mind I definitely think they are trying to make Maya the killer and I am really disappointed about that. 😕

Because Maya being the killer means:

A) Ashwin, the child abuser was right all along about her being mad

B) Vandana and her 10001 apshaguns and pandits were right all along

C) Arjun, Saanjh and Ayan were wrong in talking about giving a person a chance to start over and live a new life even if their past was tragic because apparently, a person with a tragic past can never improve.

If Maya has to be the killer then I just HOPE that they have a good justification for it...a mental illness, a split personality or anything that is responsible for making her do this and not just because she is "Pagal" or "obsessed". I would hate it if they make us sympathize with Maya and root for her only to tell us that she is actually just a phycho, obsessive killer with no redeeming qualities.

Waiting to see how they take this forward...


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I don't think you have left anything for me to add. In complete agreement with all that you have said. Given all the data you analysed and put in one place, it does strongly indicate towards Maya. And yeah, if she indeed is the killer, they better have a good reasons and explanation to it all. There can't really be a justification for it but they should make sure it makes complete sense with respect to their own story.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: sweetshruti


I agree...Maya (if she is the killer) almost killing Jhanvi just does not fit in with anything that they have shown till date. That's the thing that is bothering me the most because if it is true then like I said Maya is not redeemable at all.

I think the audience would still accept Maya killing Ashwin because of what Ashwin has done to her since childhood and because Ashwin was a negative character. Hero's and heroine's in movies and tv shows kill the villain all the time but the audience still accepts that because the person they killed is "evil" and deserves to die. Generally killing the negative character is not held against characters in movies and shows though in real life murder is murder irrespective of who you kill.

But Maya killing (almost) her own mother will not be acceptable at all. So not sure how they plan to play that out.



Pitching in some bits as to why or how Maya could have done this to Jhanvi.

As much as I have understood Maya's character, she loves herself the most. (In the sense that, she always have had to protect her ownself first because there wasn't anyone else to protect her) She does love her mother, there are no two ways about it. However, we shouldn't forget that she also harbours a strong grudge against her because Jhanvi failed as a mother and thus all the ill treatment she meted out to Jhanvi. She's the kind who would not hesitate to put an end to her own lifeline (Jhanvi) if it comes to saving her life (Arjun, as in she cannot afford to lose him at any cost).


So, if the price is something as expensive and yet expendable as Jhanvi, she'd not think too much. In a bid to protect herself, what she loves the most (who at the moment is Arjun), what she cannot afford to lose, to hide her truth, she could very well go to any extent. Even attempting to eliminate her own mother who she does apparently love. That's honestly no surprise to me because I have always thought that Maya is capable of both protecting and harming her loved ones (recall the incident where she didn't hesitate before thrusting those broken glass pieces in Jhanvi's hand)


All that is going by the history of episodes and more specifically today's episode. While Maya being the real killer would be huge a let down in terms of executing a mystery/thriller track but it does tie up back to the Maya Mehrotra we knew which in a way I would call as 'being in character' because Maya Arjun Sharma was someone I was having difficulties in digesting as her 180 degree turn made no sense at all. 😆


As for Arjun, he would still have accepted her even if she killed Ashwin. What I think he'll have trouble accepting is the whole game play. The way she managed to get Arjun's love, how she got married to him, all the secrets and lies, all the deceit, planning and plotting, all the pretence and act.


And as for Jhanvi, I think what broke whatever trust Jhanvi had in her daughter wasn't the fact that she killed her husband. She might have managed to forgive her for that eventually but driving her insane in order to frame her as one of the suspect would have to be something she never expected from Maya.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: PeraltaGarranty

Completely agreed

They want this big sort of twist in the show and making maya the killer will give them that.
It will be an absolute pulled the rug moment for maya fans because you can guess that 80% of the audience wont support a killer (I sure as hell wont but will keep watching coz im too addicted)
Only red herring is jhanvi I just cant imagine maya the one that jumped in the river to save her mother while she doesnt know how to swim would almost murder her own mom the only person she lived for before arjun came in her life.


Exactly this same Maya jumped in the water to save her mom
Then how can this Maya be the same one who tries to potentially kill her mom?
It's so weird
And if the cvs are planning to show may as the killer ( which I am against, cuz it really takes away the suspense) they better have good reasons for it!
It's sad tho cuz then that shows no one changes for good and no one deserves a second chance like Maya
And it's also showing that vandana was right about Maya being a bad person (definitely don't want that to happen)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The fact is not what we think is the killer and eel that Maya being the killer is the most predictable thing but it's what the show characters believe. The person whom they believe as the one who cannot do such a thing is MAYA. Right from Arjun, Saanj, Ayan and others believe that Maya is innocent but Vandana is screaming out loudly that Maya is bad. CVs want to show that she's right and has been right from the start abut doubting Maya. She will also be proved right. It's only time that will prove who is the real culprit but till now whatever has been shown, makes me believe it's Maya.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: .annihilation.


Pitching in some bits as to why or how Maya could have done this to Jhanvi.

As much as I have understood Maya's character, she loves herself the most. (In the sense that, she always have had to protect her ownself first because there wasn't anyone else to protect her) She does love her mother, there are no two ways about it. However, we shouldn't forget that she also harbours a strong grudge against her because Jhanvi failed as a mother and thus all the ill treatment she meted out to Jhanvi. She's the kind who would not hesitate to put an end to her own lifeline (Jhanvi) if it comes to saving her life (Arjun, as in she cannot afford to lose him at any cost).


So, if the price is something as expensive and yet expendable as Jhanvi, she'd not think too much. In a bid to protect herself, what she loves the most (who at the moment is Arjun), what she cannot afford to lose, to hide her truth, she could very well go to any extent. Even attempting to eliminate her own mother who she does apparently love. That's honestly no surprise to me because I have always thought that Maya is capable of both protecting and harming her loved ones (recall the incident where she didn't hesitate before thrusting those broken glass pieces in Jhanvi's hand)


All that is going by the history of episodes and more specifically today's episode. While Maya being the real killer would be huge a let down in terms of executing a mystery/thriller track but it does tie up back to the Maya Mehrotra we knew which in a way I would call as 'being in character' because Maya Arjun Sharma was someone I was having difficulties in digesting as her 180 degree turn made no sense at all. 😆


As for Arjun, he would still have accepted her even if she killed Ashwin. What I think he'll have trouble accepting is the whole game play. The way she managed to get Arjun's love, how she got married to him, all the secrets and lies, all the deceit, planning and plotting, all the pretence and act.


And as for Jhanvi, I think what broke whatever trust Jhanvi had in her daughter wasn't the fact that she killed her husband. She might have managed to forgive her for that eventually but driving her insane in order to frame her as one of the suspect would have to be something she never expected from Maya.



I agree with Maya being destructive in love. We have seen her physically hurt Jhanvi but that has always been when she felt Jhanvi was getting too influenced by Ashwin or when she was not able to control Jhanvi or get her to listen to her...But in this case what exactly would be Maya's reason to give Jhanvi medicines to induce psychosis??? Why would Maya want to make Jhanvi appear like the guilty one??? If anything, I would expect Maya to manipulate the situation such that the blame falls on someone other than Jhanvi, Arjun and herself, as these are the only people that matter to her.

Like you said, Maya does love Jhanvi no two ways about it. But the fact is that she also trusts Jhanvi a lot. Jhanvi is the only one who knew all her secrets, and is the one who has always come through for her and helped her hide those secrets from Arjun and co. Mom and daughter have always been a team that way. Maya knew that Jhanvi was completely on her side towards the end and was ready to kill the man she loved, for the sake of Maya's happiness. In a way one can say that Maya probably trusts Jhanvi more that Arjun. She does not really trust Arjun to be by her side if he knows the whole truth about her, she does not completely trust him when it comes to Saanjh hence all the mind games against Saanjh. But Jhanvi is someone she does trust with all her dirty secrets. So then WHY would she be against her only true supporter????😕

Maya has always been able to threaten and manipulate Jhanvi into doing what she wants her to do. So then WHY did Maya not even make an attempt to talk to Jhanvi alone and try to get her on her side, when she thought that Jhanvi knew who the killer was??? Why directly go to meet her with Arjun and Saanjh and risk Jhanvi revealing the truth in front of everyone???

These are some of the points that have been bugging me about the whole Maya framed/killed Jhanvi theory. Maya killing Ashwin is expected, understandable and justifiable but Maya almost killing Jhanvi goes against everything that they have shown about their relation till now, which is why this is something I am not able to wrap my head around.

I hope they have a very strong justification or explanation for why Maya did this (if it is her). If not, they are going to fall flat on their face with the Maya is the killer reveal as a lot of things they have shown before vis-a-vis the Maya-Jhanvi equation will not make any sense.


Edited by sweetshruti - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweetshruti

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I agree with Maya being destructive in love. We have seen her physically hurt Jhanvi but that has always been when she felt Jhanvi was getting too influenced by Ashwin or when she was not able to control Jhanvi or get her to listen to her...But in this case what exactly would be Maya's reason to give Jhanvi medicines to induce psychosis??? Why would Maya want to make Jhanvi appear like the guilty one??? If anything, I would expect Maya to manipulate the situation such that the blame falls on someone other than Jhanvi, Arjun and herself, as these are the only people that matter to her.

Like you said, Maya does love Jhanvi no two ways about it. But the fact is that she also trusts Jhanvi a lot. Jhanvi is the only one who knew all her secrets, and is the one who has always come through for her and helped her hide those secrets from Arjun and co. Mom and daughter have always been a team that way. Maya knew that Jhanvi was completely on her side towards the end and was ready to kill the man she loved, for the sake of Maya's happiness. In a way one can say that Maya probably trusts Jhanvi more that Arjun. She does not really trust Arjun to be by her side if he knows the whole truth about her, she does not completely trust him when it comes to Saanjh hence all the mind games against Saanjh. But Jhanvi is someone she does trust with all her dirty secrets. So then WHY would she be against her only true supporter????😕

Maya has always been able to threaten and manipulate Jhanvi into doing what she wants her to do. So then WHY did Maya not even make an attempt to talk to Jhanvi alone and try to get her on her side, when she thought that Jhanvi knew who the killer was??? Why directly go to meet her with Arjun and Saanjh and risk Jhanvi revealing the truth in front of everyone???

These are some of the points that have been bugging me about the whole Maya framed/killed Jhanvi theory. Maya killing Ashwin is expected, understandable and justifiable but Maya almost killing Jhanvi goes against everything that they have shown about their relation till now, which is why this us something I am not able to wrap my head around.

I hope they have a very strong justification or explanation for why Maya did this (if it is her). If not, they are going to fall flat on their face with the Maya is the killer reveal as a lot of things they have shown before vis-a-vis the Maya-Jhanvi equation will not make any sense.



I understand your concerns and also see your questions having valid basis. The only reason or theory I could suggest is, from what I have gathered of Maya and Jhanvi's relationship (lets keep their mother-daughter relationship and they love each other factor aside for a moment) as two people entirely capable of both saving each others necks and throwing each other under the bus, if the push comes to it.


Jhanvi from day one has always been suggesting Maya to come clean of her truth, always voicing her doubts and concerns as to what would happen if Arjun comes to know truth and worse if by a third person. Maya's always made sure at all times (whether or not she was associating with Ashwin at that point of time) that Jhanvi remains under her leash, acts as directed or told and conforms to her rules and standards defined by her.


So, basically, either of the two turning an enemy force against the other doesn't quite come as a surprise to me. And case in point, Maya seems to have done the deed. But of course, this is entirely how I personally look at it.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Its all a total confusion for the audience.. for each one of the three prime suspects there is a strong reason why they could be or could not be the murderer.
1. Maya - Maya has the most legit reason to harm/kill Ashwin and she is the most capable of committing the crime given the characterization of Maya. But there are equally strong reasons for me to think otherwise.. Maya grew a spine to face Ashwin after Arjun came in her life and she has had ample opportunities and reasons to kill Ashwin since then then why didn't she? Why did she wait to kill him and risk everything on her wedding day, the wedding she was so looking forward to and wanted to go peacefully? I for one was not convinced by her answer when the inspector asked her the same question.. why not all these years? She said because this time Ashwin tried to kill Arjun.. Ashwin had tried to kill Jhanvi too , someone she loves as dearly then why didn't she kill him then? Again, what was Maya's plan? Kill Ashwin because he attempted to kill Arjun and then frame Jhanvi for the murder? Jhanvi? her only family before Arjun came in her life, her support system, confidante, someone she has been firecely protective about all her life? Things don't add up.. unless Jhanvi had teamed up with Ashwin all this while, something Maya just got to know..

2. Jhanvi - has always intrigued me.. She had reasons to kill Ashwin but doesn't seem like the one who actually did the job.. that evil grin , her saying sorry to Ashwin and her conversation with the alleged murderer before the fall ..seems like she was part of the plan and then somewhere down the line got double crossed

3. Arjun- the bachelor party really got me thinking if he is actually in love with Maya.. What really was the moment for him when he felt Maya is the girl for him.. his proposal, great visuals but I was never convinced about his feelings for Maya.. dunno if its the character or the actor.. I get all mixed feelings about Arjun lol Biggest chink in ''Arjun is the murderer'' theory is his characterization so far..doesn't seem like someone capable of plotting and murder..and someone who would cheat on Maya..
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Originally posted by: .annihilation.

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<font size="2">I understand your concerns and also see your questions having valid basis. The only reason or theory I could suggest is, from what I have gathered of Maya and Jhanvi's relationship (lets keep their mother-daughter relationship and they love each other factor aside for a moment) as two people entirely capable of both saving each others necks and throwing each other under the bus, if the push comes to it.</font>


<font size="2">Jhanvi from day one has always been suggesting Maya to come clean of her truth, always voicing her doubts and concerns as to what would happen if Arjun comes to know truth and worse if by a third person. Maya's always made sure at all times (whether or not she was associating with Ashwin at that point of time) that Jhanvi remains under her leash, acts as directed or told and conforms to her rules and standards defined by her.</font>


<font size="2">So, basically, either of the two turning an enemy force against the other doesn't quite come as a surprise to me. And case in point, Maya seems to have done the deed. But of course, this is entirely how I personally look at it.</font>


Based on your conversation I sort of more agree with shruti
Reasons are:
1) Maya is willing to die for those that she loves. She has risked her life for Arjun as wel as jhanvi multiple times, proving her love for them
2) If Maya had to kill ashwin, she would've done it a long time ago. She has more than enough chances where she could have killed him
3) Maya fears god, she said she was waiting for god to punish ashwin
4) Maya is capable to threaten but not kill.
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