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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Shivandi


Beautifully said.

And also I'm going to add, once more, and @Sheetsden and people who agree with him/her, I hope you're listening, the final responsibility rests with those in management. It doesn't matter what happened with Prats. The. PH. Was. Disorganized. More professional and better production companies structure their terms of contract and responsibility so that messes like this don't happen. They make it clear to the actors in the beginning that they have to abide by their contract or get sued. The actors know what they're getting into, they take the job or leave it but they have to see it through to the end. There's no other option. The fact is that the PH and Colors were messy and careless and they should not have been. Politics within the company and behind the scenes should not come out into the public. The fourth wall has been shattered in a very awful way here. I told my American friends here about this whole thing and they were bewildered and mildly horrified and very very confused as to how the management's rules and responsibilities were so lax that this could happen. "Is this common in India?" one of them asked me.

Also, the role was just as much of a golden bird for Prats as it was for the channel.

Also I suggest you reread this: "Were PH's demands reasonable? They enacted new schedule and need to put out a show 6 days/week. Were Prats complains? For 3 years I'm shooting without a break 9-10 hours/day, maybe I'm exhausted, have no life and could use a break. You decide."


@Shivandi: Very interesting analysis by Beograd and your response. Can't say I disagree with either of you, only comment I will make is in the film and ad circles in Bombay it has been known for some time (like 6 months) that Pratz has huge attitude issues and that COLORS was having problems in dealing with her. For COLORS to take such a risk decision either of 2 things must have happened, i) Pratz came in and said I am leaving or ii) COLORS simply could not tolerate the indiscipline which was affecting shooting schedules, other actors, having to use BDs etc. We will never know.

But next few days and may be few weeks, COLORS management will be on tenterhooks as to how the new Anandi will be received. Then life will settle down to a trot, may be lower TRP, but settle down it will.

I am aware that you are still emotional about Pratz leaving, where I am coming from is I didn't know Pratz, got to like her, she did a great job, will miss her. Like I did not know Pratz, I do not know the new girl, who knows may be she will do a good job too, if not she will get ejected by the viewers. But we cannot pre judge her.



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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Yash.Pal


@Shivandi: Very interesting analysis by Beograd and your response. Can't say I disagree with either of you, only comment I will make is in the film and ad circles in Bombay it has been known for some time (like 6 months) that Pratz has huge attitude issues and that COLORS was having problems in dealing with her. For COLORS to take such a risk decision either of 2 things must have happened, i) Pratz came in and said I am leaving or ii) COLORS simply could not tolerate the indiscipline which was affecting shooting schedules, other actors, having to use BDs etc. We will never know.

But next few days and may be few weeks, COLORS management will be on tenterhooks as to how the new Anandi will be received. Then life will settle down to a trot, may be lower TRP, but settle down it will.

I am aware that you are still emotional about Pratz leaving, where I am coming from is I didn't know Pratz, got to like her, she did a great job, will miss her. Like I did not know Pratz, I do not know the new girl, who knows may be she will do a good job too, if not she will get ejected by the viewers. But we cannot pre judge her.




I've made all these arguments before. I will repeat them. I really am sorry for how short I'm going to sound () but sometimes, putting debates like this makes it much clearer.

If she is, she's not the first to have done so. All we've heard is that she wouldn't come to work or would come late. You think that's bad? There have been cases where actors showed up to work intoxicated. Where they started fights on set. Where, if they were superstars, they demanded story changes according to their desires. But they were quickly dealt with and brought in line by their contract. Nothing you have said addresses the fact that neither the PH nor Colors seem to have had a good system in place to prevent such things from happening. The fact that this has come out into the audience and we're having to discuss this is a problem. Shame on them.

Cool. Good for them. Doesn't change what I said above, does it? This doesn't happen with PH's abroad. They should still be ashamed of themselves.

1) Emotions do not preclude rationality and reason. If you need elaboration on this, look up the works of Phyllis Rooney and Sue Campbell. 2) Neither Beograd nor I talked about Toral's abilities or judged her. We've said all along that she might be the best actress in the world, but it just doesn't matter (to us) given the circumstances. So not really sure why you brought her up at all.
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Beogard,
Yes,it is business.
But,there are certain other things as well. There are other shows which are running 6 days a week. There is a show which does not have too many leads,just the hero and the heroine. and some assortment of people. It is running 6 days a week along with BV.

There are other professions where people work for 6 days a week,10-12 hrs/day. I have a business of my own and I start the day at 9:30 and end it at 9 pm. Sometimes it stretches to 11 pm as well if I have to tour other areas. I do not complain. Because I chose this.

Similarly,when Prats walked into the glamour world of television,she must have known the hard work and the long hours that you have to put in. If she complains that it is too tasking for her,then,this profession is not for her. She should choose something else. The problem with her was she achieved too much too soon. And success went to her head. So she thought she will twiddle her delicate fingers and all will fall in line.
There is another thing. I can tell you very frankly,Prats is not a typical bollywood heroine material. She will never be. Probably,she thought she can be another Yami Gautam,but,I am not sure.
Here she is committed to do a show. She has signed the contract,the least she could have done was to respect it. She chose not to do so and through her unprofessional attitude,forced others to take a re look at the things. In this forum,members have complained about so many times BD being used. Even Sid had once commented that everyday he is shooting with new,new Anandi. Imagine,how difficult it is for the co-stars as well. Did she spare a thought for them? No.
But,as you said,this is business and it follows its own rules and does not dance according to your whims and fancies. Prats has serious attitude problem,and unless she mends her ways,she will be in for bigger trouble in future.
One has to follow the rules of the job,the rules will not follow you.
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Posted: 12 years ago
If a contract can be broken, and the contract's answer to that is to fire her and bring in someone new instead of stopping her from behaving that way for the sake of the audience, then it's not a very well thought out contract, I'm afraid.

P.S. wonder if the other actresses who manage to meet these grueling schedules have relatively recently stepped into adulthood and are at an age about which there is still ongoing scientific debate regarding if that age marks full development of a human being into an adult or not.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Shivandi

If a contract can be broken, and the contract's answer to that is to fire her and bring in someone new instead of stopping her from behaving that way for the sake of the audience, then it's not a very well thought out contract, I'm afraid.


She signed it. And she has behaved unprofessionally. in no profession this is going to be tolerated.
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Posted: 12 years ago
I think what we are forgetting is - even though some of us may have 6 days and 15 hr schedules - we still take time off for vacations and couple of long weekends.

I doubt these TV actors get that.

Being young - she may have wnated to do other things than just while away her years playing an over dressed Anandi to that point that she got sick of it coz she was getting lost and had no time left for Pratyusha anymore.

they did have a lot of characters and at one time Sugna's track was super interesting too and that would have given some time off to the main lead. But now - every scene has everyone in it.

Even otherwise when Jagya and Gauri were together - a lot of scene in Bombay gave free time to the Jaitser folk. but with Anandi being required in every single scene every single day for the past 6 months - I think I'm beginning to realise where she might have gotten a little tired and lost her enthusiasm.

We all need rest and recreation time - getting burnt out makes us sick of the whole affair to the extent that even a break won't fix it. You have to just get out and cut all ties sometimes. I did that with my first job after 6 years. And even though I was later promised much easier terms - somehow I just couldn't bring myself to commit to any time with those people anymore.

So OK - I'll make my peace with the PH.
Wish you the very best Pratyusha ! Hope you find your happiness in other avenues and reach the same heights. Thankyou for being our adorable Anandi and romancing Shiv.

This will forver be a beautiful love story coz it will never be finished and get boring into the same old same old everyday life. It will always have a rosy halo for me.


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: mocking_bird


She signed it. And she has behaved unprofessionally. in no profession this is going to be tolerated.


Didn't address the actual point of criticism.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Shivandi


Didn't address the actual point of criticism.


Very well answered. She signed it. So she must have read it,I gather. If the conditions were not suitable,she should have refused to sign or should have asked to get it modified. Once you have signed a contract,you have to abide by it. Yes, you can put people into difficulty thereby forcing them to pack you off so that you do not have to abide by the rules of the tv artist association.
And we do not know if she was not told by the PH not to do this. The PH people have already answered this and I believe them. I have dealt with such mentality myself from the employees so I can feel about the management.
Remember,we came across news that she even approached the association to help her quirt the show,the first time, without facing the consequences? Probably,that did not materialise. So she had to come back and do this.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: mocking_bird


Very well answered. She signed it. So she must have read it,I gather. If the conditions were not suitable,she should have refused to sign or should have asked to get it modified. Once you have signed a contract,you have to abide by it. Yes, you can put people into difficulty thereby forcing them to pack you off so that you do not have to abide by the rules of the tv artist association.
And we do not know if she was not told by the PH not to do this. The PH people have already answered this and I believe them. I have dealt with such mentality myself from the employees so I can feel about the management.
Remember,we came across news that she even approached the association to help her quirt the show,the first time, without facing the consequences? Probably,that did not materialise. So she had to come back and do this.


I was talking about the contract itself, not how she acted with respect to it. My problem with it is simply that it wasn't do-this-or-you-get-sued, instead of do-this-or-you-get-fired. The latter works for corporates where everyone is interchangeable, but that's not the case for the TV industry. At least, not for everyone. You and a lot of people may see the faces to the characters as interchangeable, but the same is not true for me and a lot of other people.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Anandi is the soul of the show... She is the balika vadhu... I don't know what the show be like after her...

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