Jagya negative: so what??? - Page 3

Originally posted by: saba113

TM lemme explain to you why i am frustrated with Jagaya's negative track because my reason is certainly not so what or his negative track it will give so suspense filled dramatic turns in AnSh romance which i think doesn't require his negative track at all they already have many obstacles which they can over come and their track will be suspense filled ...i will only in talk in Jagaya's perspective no AnSh here

• yes Jagaya has been a spoilt brat from childhood selfish , egoistic but at the same time he also had a beautiful heart which helped others , helped Anandi , use to care for her..i believe you must have heard badi massi's dialogue Jagaya as a kid whenever use to see anyone hurted would leave all his toys and sit to blew on wound to lessen the pain so this was child Jagaya ..we cannot term him as negative character in childhood
• After leap cvs began his character as positive...sensible , sweet , understanding , caring ..cvs made him stray in city life later and made him betray Anandi and his family thus going bad there but later when he came home married with Gauri after that his pendulum journey started thats why we named him pendulum oscillating between good and bad
• The statement about over night change is unfair because his changing path has never been over night ..in his pendulum journey when he did many good works in between selflessly and didn't even taunt anyone or showing off like saving Anandi from goons , helping badi massi , helping varun ..these were not negative works but his positive side doing these works so the process of change began from here
• Guilt has been present in his heart from a long time and i believe he was saying sorry to Anandi within very first day he came home married with Gauri after Anandi's lecture to everyone to accept their relation ..he is the same person who on his haveli's SR night was restless all night after seeing Anandi's pained face when Gauri closed room door on her face he didnt gave one damn ear to what Gauri was talking later because he was restless and couldn't even celebrate his SR there ...so guilt has been present in his heart for a long time but the only problem was he was standing on his decision was not accepting he did any wrong though he wanted to come back to his family but at same time was not accepting he did any wrong
• For him accepting his wrong doing cvs had one thing for a long time one eye opener incident to him that was Gauri's true colors ..her betrayal that will make him see how wrong he has been in his decisions and it happened ..cvs spent many episodes on him accepting his mistakes remembering his wrong doings in flashbacks and accepting them he did wrong and even accepting forgiveness wont be easy for him but he will keep trying because his heart says his dear ones will forgive him...he also accepted he did wrong with Anandi the most ...he blamed himself for his wrong doings using words like those eyes whose star once i was till yesterday today i am piercing those eyes like a pebble all is my fault no one else what have i done ? he was the one who was saying seeing Anandi with shiv i cannot even dare to come in front of her seeing her this happy i cannot interfere in her happiness
• now after taking him this far cvs suddenly made his realization shallow again when not given forgiveness with his pleading he started demanding and when again not given he turned to bad side villain mode i will ruin you Anandi...you snatched everything from me 😕this is confusing when in his unconcious state when a person have no control over his feelings what is in his heart comes to his mouth and he was asking forgiveness from all in his unconcious state including Anandi so it means his guilt was true now all of sudden it changed and he back on revenge mode which looks unrealistic and doesn't make sense
• now the thing is if cvs have plans to make him villain putting more wrong works on his head then it means they will never redeem him ..😳since he already has his previous mistakes pending on his head which he needs to correct somehow and win trust of his family members back in him ..more wrong works from him will lead him to what ?no redemption ever and we certainly don't want that ..we want singh family to have their son back because we have seen them in pain so many times and we were waiting for his redemption track from a long time ..we have seen dadisaa crying holding his picture in her room ...we have seen Bhairo looking at him painfully at divorce day giving him one look from jeep , we have seen sumitra in pain many times, we have seen sugna collecting rakhis for him she will tie on his arm when he will prove him worth it till then she will keep collecting , we have heard painful dialogues of badi massi that she know one day he will come back to heal wounds of his family members and we know Jagaya too misses them so at this stage when cvs should suppose to make him realize his mistakes properly and repent for them try to rectify them ..in order to realize the in depth pain he has caused to others these recent words of his family members and Anandi should make him realize that ..it should hit him at right place because he wasn't around all the time to witness the pain he caused to others so this should make him realize that pain but on contrary it hit at wrong side and he is on revenge mode which doesnt make much sense
• this tennis match of Jadgish and Jagat .good and bad of him cvs have been playing for more than a year when they will put a break to it ...when they will show the steps he takes for good won't stop and turn for bad but will always be for good ..but for more than a year cvs are continously moving him in circles why don't they put a break somewhere and redeem him his redemption is not one day story indeed but for that they need to stop him going to bad again
• some members are saying here for his redemption he needs to hit the lowest then cvs will rise him from his ashes i say they have already made ashes of him what can be more lowest for him his own father declared him dead and has no faith in him that he will ever change therefore hesitates to say him his son even cannot bail him out because he cannot give any guarantee ..what can be the more lowest for him his own grandmother says if she sees his mistakes she will never see his face ever again ..what can be more lowest for him when his own mother is feeling sorry she gave birth to him ..what can be more lowest Anandi who always forgave him for his such mistakes that no woman in world would see her cheater husband's face if he does same with her but cvs made him hit to the lowest with bhabhooti mission that even she is not ready to forgive him ..so how more they will hit him low ?..right now from his ashes they should be reviving him as pure soul but they by making him negative doing more wrong planning for more wrong instead of right then they are going to blow those ashes to dust after this will they be able to collect the dust and revive him again as a good person ?and will that be convincing to viewers ..because if right now he didnt then what more miracle or great work will make him do so ?
• no person in the world is super man on his own he realizes all some right guidance whether it comes from a person or from a good experience can be bring many positive changes but positive experience help more than negative and Jagaya has the ability in him to accept truth in him but cvs are doing unfair with him here by taking his that ability away and turn him into negative

i would have enjoyed Jagaya doing hard work to win his family's trust back selflessly by doing good rectifying his mistakes cvs could lead that track to two years i wouldn't have minded .😆on seeing AnSh together i never wanted him to become Gauri jealous burning but i wanted him to be in Anandi's shoes to realize what she must have gone through seeing him with Gauri..Anandi wasnt banging her head on wall on revenge mode i will take your happiness jagaya from you ..i will ruin you Anandi wasn't doing that but yeah she was deep in pain that only she knows ..this negative track of Jagaya will lead to what i don't know ? more mistakes from him will lead to more shame for singhs they are already hopeless from him and once again he broke their hope because if we see both Bhairo and DS a hope did revive in their heart today again broken ...so what this all will lead to and i certainly don't want to see cvs make him do something in negative track this bad that singhs will lose him forever ..that will be too much painful to them have seen them in pain so much dont want to see them in more ...when his character has chances of redemption then please cvs make him do so instead of making him do more wrong which will give him more unforgivable mistakes already no one is ready to forgive him so easily for his previous mistakes more from him will definitely be never forgiveness and poor singhs in pain forever for his loss ...don't want that ..this is why i have objections from his complete negative track

sorry for a long post😆

Originally posted by: chumki...

agar socha jaee to jagiyaa humesha se negetive hi tha...in different way...he always think abt i me myself ...no body's else...jagiya ne aaj taq jo kuch bhi kiya,,,,,us me positive kya tha? after he went to mumbai whatever he has done do you think woh sab positive tha? he was selfish, narowminded he fall in love with other girl inspite of being married,he insulted his family...so aisa kaun sa kam jagya ne kiya jo negetive nahi tha.????? phir why so much hue and cry today abt jagya turn.s negetive?

Originally posted by: sarandha

sort of agree both with the points raised by tm and by you over here - infact this sudden leaving behind gauri also comes from a deeply chauvinistic streak and an inferiority complex- as u say he couldnt handle the fact that g could have kept all this a secret from him - and once he came to know that g was also sponsored by his family - that remaining charm and being in awe of a modern woman falling for him went away too - part of it was already over with the fact that his male ego was hurt by her being professionally , financially above him . Suddenly the fact that his family was mighty and he'd lost a lot by leaving them hit home and he returned.

but his turning so negative that he starts thinking of destroying anandi's life is a bit out of character - because he has had moments of rethinking, realising his mistakes etc ...those shades of grey had some elements which were not so black...

A powerful message was made thru the voiceover though - for all those wanting Jaan reunion and stating anandi shd forgive jagiya - that it is not a man's right to be forgiven and taken back if he moves on , has other affairs and then decides to one fine fine day come back to a wife...expecting her to wait for him..a woman has a right to say no...


but why people are wary is because they do not want to see anandi suffer once again in a family feud with the wicked husband coming together with other elements as some were suggesting - like sanchi and CM and hurting anandi. One does not want another family drama which has k serial type twists- something they've refrained from doing till now...

Originally posted by: jiya25

There is such negative reaction to Jagya turning negative in the forum, but why is this so hard for everyone to digest? CVs are being blamed of ruining Jagaya's character

"Because CVs showed jaggiyya as a person who cared for his family through out. Showing him as an womanizer, when On the Contrary, he was also shown as the person who waited for Anandhi 5 years and secretly used to adore her. He was shown as person who always stood up for anandhi, and all of sudden turned the same person falling for an another Girl" In my opinion i call this stupidity of turnign the character according the Writer's will to increase TRP ratings

First of all, what character. If you think about Jagya, his character is that of a ladesar. he believes that life's comforts are his birthright, that he should be forgiven for all his mistakes because he is the family's son after all and anandi's husband,

"Okay, when exactly he showed this attitude? He always made mistakes and never took his family for granted. He always begged for forgiveness. The day CVs decided lets show the child marraiges are wrong by creating a relationship with other woman, that is when his character started to change" According to me child marraiges doesn't always end with male having relationships. It is just one among thousands of reasons. There are more things they could have showed and could have given better message to the society.

he believed that gauri should have been serving him hand and foot regardless of the fact that he was a useless husband,

"REALLY, did Gauri ever treat him like a Husband? and you are talking about Jaggiyya expectations from Gauri?" I can't help laughing. He left his beautiful life filled with riches for Gauri and led an adjusting LIFE with that #$%$#. That is because of his love for Gauri. So that shows he is a person who does anything for his loved ones.

he believed that the jaitser hospital should never have been given to laalsingh, even if he himself didn't want it...so all in all, he is someone who wants, gets, desires and craves being the center of everyone's universe. and what has historically happened when jagya has been refused? he lashes out. he runs away from home. he lies and cheats and insults and hurts people, even his own parents, to get what he wants because he believes that its his god given right!!!

"Again, he expressed his intentions infront of anandhi when they turned old enough. He said he wanted her to educate, wear modern dresses and act with some style. So are you telling husbands do not ask their wives these kind of things. But Anandhi didn't support any of her husband's thoughts as she wanted to value her in-laws words more. So he like so many other men (Who were married at the right age), he got attracted to a different woman with allof these qualities.

I LOVE Anandhi's character and her will power. But, the track BV team chose to show that child marraiges are wrong, I didn;t like that. ILLEGAL relationships has nothing to do with Child marraiges. That happens with any kind of marraige.

Dadisa was showed reformed. She was once a mean lady, but she was showed changing. So why not Jagath. So if a person makes a mistake, will he never realize his mistakes? Poor scripting.

So, yes I have issues to turn a character like Jaggiyya into womanizer and what not and then eventually turning him from a LEAD character into a spineless character 😕

Originally posted by: noshows

"Because CVs showed jaggiyya as a person who cared for his family through out. Showing him as an womanizer, when On the Contrary, he was also shown as the person who waited for Anandhi 5 years and secretly used to adore her. He was shown as person who always stood up for anandhi, and all of sudden turned the same person falling for an another Girl" In my opinion i call this stupidity of turnign the character according the Writer's will to increase TRP ratings

you seem to be off on a different tangent altogether. in your mind you still see jagya as the person he was before he got blinded by the starlight of a modern life. he hasn't been that person for years now. selfishness and a sense of entitlement have always been core to the character of jagya and his transformation to jagat was an evolution of these characteristics. it was not all of a sudden by the way...jagya slowly and meticulously turned into jagat and made the choices very carefully knowing full well the consequences for his family

"Okay, when exactly he showed this attitude? He always made mistakes and never took his family for granted. He always begged for forgiveness.

I am sorry but have you been watching the same show as the rest of us? you want me to give you examples of how jagya has been a bigda nawab? please, there isn't enough space on one page and i do hate long posts.

the day CVs decided lets show the child marraiges are wrong by creating a relationship with other woman, that is when his character started to change" According to me child marraiges doesn't always end with male having relationships.

agree with the everything you said here.

"REALLY, did Gauri ever treat him like a Husband? and you are talking about Jaggiyya expectations from Gauri?" I can't help laughing. He left his beautiful life filled with riches for Gauri and led an adjusting LIFE with that #$%$#. That is because of his love for Gauri. So that shows he is a person who does anything for his loved ones.

yes gauri did treat him like a husband. she just didn't treat him like god. yes he left his beautiful life to be with gauri, but that was because he was expecting a fantastic life filled with parties and glamour in the city. and when reality hit him, he became sulky, resentful, angry. couldn't see his wife suceed and be appreciated. even being told to help serve the guests in his own home seemed like an insult to him (remember his job party)...i can't stand gauri but i am not a jagya bhagat that i can't see a MCP like jagat for who he is.

"Again, he expressed his intentions infront of anandhi when they turned old enough. He said he wanted her to educate, wear modern dresses and act with some style. So are you telling husbands do not ask their wives these kind of things. But Anandhi didn't support any of her husband's thoughts as she wanted to value her in-laws words more. So he like so many other men (Who were married at the right age), he got attracted to a different woman with allof these qualities.

there is so much wrong with the above paragraph that it makes my blood boil. yes, husbands occasionally do want certain changes in their wives. just like wives want certain changes in husbands. but a MAN never leaves his wife and goes to another woman for these superficial things. and to imply that it is justified and understandable for a guy to do this is an insult to womanhoon.

Dadisa was showed reformed. She was once a mean lady, but she was showed changing. So why not Jagath. So if a person makes a mistake, will he never realize his mistakes? Poor scripting.

yes dadisa was shown reformed. i have always believed that a true test of character is how you deal with your mistakes. when dadisa was faced again and again with the consequences of giving too much love to jagya and ignoring her bahus, she saw the havoc it created and she truly set out to set things right, in the proper way, was bringing happiness back into a life that she was partly responsible for. she didn't beg for forgiveness and only thought of herself through out...she didn't blame society or others for her own mistake...no such luck with jagya...