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Posted: 13 years ago
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it was Rohini. get your smiles now. DS also says that slowly but surely A and S are getting closer.

Get this too...In the precap the bikhari J comes over to haveli in his torn clothes and she ...drum rolll...turns her back to him while he catches her feet.

Now..go treat yourself to a Jalebi and a hot cup of tea.
Edited by lavy - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hugs and kisses lavy, it is rohini not ragini.😛
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Oops. Sorry for the typo. So...did you have the chai Rohini?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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rohini i sort agree with anjana and others do i understand your fears...

I aalso feel if j is that repentant, DS might take him back but that doesnt mean she will reconsider AS in the way they have developed her character later on - she is strong willed woman bound by also tradition and reputation and will not go back on her word.

. I understand what u are saying about the pregnancy though - ANsh shd happen and JaGa should reconcile if they can come to an understanding irrespective of the pregnancy. G shld not be forced to , niether J shd be compelled to get back to each other because of this.

Infact i think G's decision or first instinct to abort is a natural one , any woman under such circumstances, left behind after 8 years of marriage on a minor lie by a husband with whom she was always insecure would do. Have been reading posts condemning this decision and am deeply troubled. abortion rights exist for woman to give birth to a child only when they want to do so and have the material, physical, emotional capacity and desire to do so. Often even happily married people undertake abortion when they feel the time is not right. And under given circumstances , i completely see why G would not want to bring in a child whose future she cannot gaurantee at this stage - and i can understand even being depressed on hearing this news right now...

Anyways i have a feeling Jand G will be redeemed and Ansh will live happily ever after 😛 ...then they can move toa nother generation 😛
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sarandha - I agree with you regarding Gauri's reaction to the news about pregnancy.It is too early to say anything about it.
She was thinking about her relationship with J when she had a blackout andthe moment she opened her eyes she was hit with news while her mind was on still what she was thinking before she had a blackout.That's why she reacted the way she did when she was informed about her pregnancy.I think people are judging her too early in this matter.
Gauri is no favourite of mine and I feel she is getting what she deserved and J is also equally bad.
Yes I don't think we should condemn her on the basis of what we think that she might do.
I wish people would wait till she actually does what we thought she would do then talk about it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I think for the first time Gauri seems to be on the right track - this is of course assuming she thinks so even after a couple of days and doesn't let her scheming mom use this as another lure to bring J back.

A kid deserves to come into a welcoming, loving home - and not as a bottle of glue to join to opposite poles.

Gauri is right in thinking - ts over and done with - I can't keep redoing this aana-jaana business with him all my life - lets call it quits.

She's young, pretty, very capable and very desirable. She really shud begin again with someone new and her slate clean so she has no burden of hiding anything. Gauri is hardworking - I have to give her that - and she got her slap and now she shud be able to just move on.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sarandha, hooked, aparna
I agree with you that the abortion decision should be gauri's. I'm horrified that a villifiction campaign has started against her on this important gender right -- given to us Indian women on a platter but something that is still is being hotly debated in the West with the right-wingers holding sway over public opinion. I remember some years ago, there was a discussion on this in another forum. The second lead decided to abort and became infertile. The forum argrued that this was just desserts for her crime. I cringed at this lack of understanding of a very senstive issue. Why must the woman who aborts be punished by divine will? Why is she termed a killer?
The thing that intrigues and astonishes me about this country is the divergence between constitutional and legal rights and broad public opinion. Whether it is voting rights or the right to abort, we in India got it all too easily without us going through the pain of fighting for these rights. If you study the black movement you will know how hard they had to work to be able to vote along with the white folks. Abortion tends to produce virulent political reaction in the west and even the most liberal politician will need to think of the consequences of espousing it as his/her belief. As against this India introduced abortion rights way back --matter of factly with no political opposition. And yet a small moral brigade among the public simply does not understand the importance and value of this right.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to get your feedback on this. From our conversation on this thread and other threads, notably one started by Sarandha, II realise that we all subscribe to a view of the world that is more diverse and inclusive. Is there a divergence between the older generation and younger generation on this? Because the most self-righteous reaction often comes from the very young. Is this my reading alone? If I'm correct on this, then why has this happened. It is not a coincidence then that the regressive soaps that have invaded teledom also come at this time as opposed an earlier era when the scripts were more forgiving and accommodating of the modern, urban woman.
As Sarandha pointed out, and I completely agree with her:on this, women who drink socially can be ethical in their judgments and in their work environments. I live alone in India, I have a flourishing career and me and my friends do drink socially and see no conflict between being liberal and being ethical.
I prefer this to moral grandstandingon social issues andf being corrupt in persanl behaviour, Anyway guys , I love all these discussions and as lavy said wish we could have a grand union sometime over chai and samosa.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Am all pro choice. A woman should have the mental and physical strength to handle the pregnancy and the responsibilities which come with the baby. I got pregnant for the second time when my elder one was 9 months old. My husband left the choice to me completely because it is after all my body and my hormones. I decided to go ahead with the pregnancy out of my own choice and now have 2 beautiful daughters. My husband is by my side in whatever decision I take and that has made life easier.

In G's case, she is pregnant with the child of a man who hates her, who is so unpredictable and someone who cannot be trusted at all. why would she want to go ahead with the baby if she thinks she does not want anything to do with the relationship?

Her case of redemption would be to apologise to everyone and start all over again..this time fresh with no lies and no baggage and insecurity. If there is a Gaja track, then they should sit down analyse their negative points, acknowledge each other's GRAVE mistakes in the relationship and accept that they are flawed people and slowly move on in life trying to be better individuals together.

With regards to the moral policing on Abortion, only the wearer knows where the shoe pinches. A child is a tremendous responsibility and a depressed mother cannot bring up the child well. An unhappy mother leads to a very unhappy child.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I personally do not support abortions unless it is a result of rape or mother's health is at stake or child has genetic disease which would make life difficult for the child and it's parents.
In Gauri's case the conditions she and J find themselves are self made.These conditions are not irreparable.I personally feel the baby's arrival may bring in a positive change in their lives and much needed maturity in both of them..So I really hope she doesn't opt for abortion.

Rohini we are lucky in India abortion laws are quite sensible.
Only very a minority adopt staunch anti abortion stance.
I hear about the anti abortionists and their activities and the laws they wish to bring about in North America from my sister who lives there.

You are right.The decision should be left to the woman alone.

Edited by aparnauma - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: rohini55

Sarandha, hooked, aparna

The thing that intrigues and astonishes me about this country is the divergence between constitutional and legal rights and broad public opinion. Whether it is voting rights or the right to abort, we in India got it all too easily without us going through the pain of fighting for these rights. If you study the black movement you will know how hard they had to work to be able to vote along with the white folks. Abortion tends to produce virulent political reaction in the west and even the most liberal politician will need to think of the consequences of espousing it as his/her belief. As against this India introduced abortion rights way back --matter of factly with no political opposition. And yet a small moral brigade among the public simply does not understand the importance and value of this right.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to get your feedback on this. From our conversation on this thread and other threads, notably one started by Sarandha, II realise that we all subscribe to a view of the world that is more diverse and inclusive. Is there a divergence between the older generation and younger generation on this? Because the most self-righteous reaction often comes from the very young. Is this my reading alone? If I'm correct on this, then why has this happened. It is not a coincidence then that the regressive soaps that have invaded teledom also come at this time as opposed an earlier era when the scripts were more forgiving and accommodating of the modern, urban woman.





excellent post rohini ...wrote a long reply so but it got disrupted with bad connection so just a short one for the moment 😊... completely agree with most observations here.

I think one reason behind the growing gen gap is also the influx of info age, and internet, rising consumerism, growing inequalities and social tensions rising between the haves and the have nots ...rising insecurities, bewildering variety of info etc bring in cultural fundamentalism amongst the weaker and the more insecure - they provide black and white truths and moralities and are easier for those who do not have the courage and the strong moral and ethical core necessary to deal with uncertainities and complexities ...those who possess this quality become enriched ...

As for rising inequalities and gaps and class conflicts - being an economist myself, i firmly believe in the power of material realities ...widening income gaps and class tensions give rise to deepening conservatism and orthodoxy on part of the have's in order to protect their priviliges ...while it gives rise to rising violence, tensions and fundamentalism within the have nots driven to right wing fundamentalism that accompanies rising poverty , widening class gaps etc ...

the social fabric becomes stretched and tense ...conservatism rules over progressive and liberal values ...while at the same time society becomes more and more morally decadent in other ways - by enforcing regressive moralities...

sorry so tired and sleepy so cant develop all this rambling but soon maybe... will reply to my thread later ...

chai and samosa sounds nice😊


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