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Posted: 3 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: Mages

Last night epi hinted the Ramayan factor it has been foreshadowing since Day 1 & not to forget their marriage too happened on Vijaydashmi


There was 2 vanvas happened


1) Ram-Sita-Lakshman went for Vanvas due to Kaikeyi words and the rest we know what happened with Hanuman Raavan Kumbhkaran Shurpnaka and the whole Ravan Dahan


2) Ram send Sita to Vanvas due to a dhoban he was fulfilling his duties as a King and Sita did not question him and left and she was preganant with Luv-Kush & gave birth them in vanvas period only


The question is which vanvas will take place if its optiom 1 than even though Ram gets to know MS killed his father and Nandu use this as advantage and trap Priya with the promise than Ram will also leave with Priya. He will not stay in KM. If the 2nd option than here the dhoban will be play by Nandu she will question Ram and force him to send Priya to vanvas which means throw her out of the house since she is a murderer's daughter who killed his father and she will use the father's love trump card makes Ram emotionally weak which will force Ram to send Priya out. The catch here confession & consummation would have happened by then b/w both Ram-Priya when Ram sends her out she would be pregnant and gives birth during vanvas

So either optiom 1 or 2 because the 'punishment' promise is all abt vanvas only


I'm adamant option 2 won't happen. The storyline is similar to S1 and Dhondh said no separation.


Ram to Priya: Jab tak mein zinda hoon akeli toh tum kabhi nahin hogi

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Posted: 3 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: tirchinazar

I see lots of people talking about precap, promo whatever it is

Blaming Ram, blaming Priya


But these are the questions people should just ponder upon:-


What Ram did to Priya by not revealing about Vedika and doing kaands with her in the open, is a DHOKA

Now Priya hiding about MS is also a DHOKA


If Ram can get away easily with his Vedu kaand, Priya should not be penalized for MS kaand. At least she was ready to die for him even though he was mean to her before she followed MS


Priya has been following her marriage vows for a long time


Ram wanted an annulment, she was ready to leave

Ram gave her a 5% share which she was not ready to take because of prenup deal that if the marriage breaks she won't take anything with her

Ram didn't give her credit for the birthday party, she just left without making any noise, didn't even question him for his inappropriate behavior

Ram didn't give Akki a chance to defend himself, she came back to KM and took care of Ram

Ram cut her call during Lohri, still, she went to protect him without thinking of the consequences


She didn't tell about MS to Ram because she didn't have enough proof and also her mom will be crucified for no reason of hers. On top of that, Shikki's marriage was on the verge of breaking


In all these circumstances, Ram has never given her any assurance from his side about his feelings, about the deal regarding their marriage etc


There is a saying that a very gullible, innocent man can be more dangerous than 10 enemies put together. That is the case with Ram


Don't you think Priya was always at the receiving end? Ram got away easily wrt Vedika kaand?


Ram is not a bad guy, he has the right heart but is that helping Priya? NO :) She has been undergoing agnipareeksha for a very long time


Remove NM & DP from these and try to think what if you were in Ram and Priya's positions

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Matlab kuch bhi … 🤪

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Posted: 3 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: tirchinazar

I see lots of people talking about precap, promo whatever it is

Blaming Ram, blaming Priya


But these are the questions people should just ponder upon:-


What Ram did to Priya by not revealing about Vedika and doing kaands with her in the open, is a DHOKA

Now Priya hiding about MS is also a DHOKA


If Ram can get away easily with his Vedu kaand, Priya should not be penalized for MS kaand. At least she was ready to die for him even though he was mean to her before she followed MS


Priya has been following her marriage vows for a long time


Ram wanted an annulment, she was ready to leave

Ram gave her a 5% share which she was not ready to take because of prenup deal that if the marriage breaks she won't take anything with her

Ram didn't give her credit for the birthday party, she just left without making any noise, didn't even question him for his inappropriate behavior

Ram didn't give Akki a chance to defend himself, she came back to KM and took care of Ram

Ram cut her call during Lohri, still, she went to protect him without thinking of the consequences


She didn't tell about MS to Ram because she didn't have enough proof and also her mom will be crucified for no reason of hers. On top of that, Shikki's marriage was on the verge of breaking


In all these circumstances, Ram has never given her any assurance from his side about his feelings, about the deal regarding their marriage etc


There is a saying that a very gullible, innocent man can be more dangerous than 10 enemies put together. That is the case with Ram


Don't you think Priya was always at the receiving end? Ram got away easily wrt Vedika kaand?


Ram is not a bad guy, he has the right heart but is that helping Priya? NO :) She has been undergoing agnipareeksha for a very long time


Remove NM & DP from these and try to think what if you were in Ram and Priya's positions


A very balanced and clear post... Thank you!


Adding some of my thoughts..

Ram had changed after accident and Anjali partial reveal. He started trusting and valuing P post that. But P had lived the marriage from day 1. She understood and trusted her instincts bout him without any grand gestures from him, supporting him unconditionally.

If R has finally realised her value and is standing by her than she had earned that.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: DazzlingLight


Thank you for writing this!

The birthday episodes will always be a sore spot for me..it was just heartbreaking to watch. That's also why I felt Pri's use of the word 'rusvaai' was apt (despite the T bird going beserk!) And made worse by the fact that there was no conversation about what transpired once Pri was back to normal.

Even at this point in time in the show, while Vedu has been shown the door, Ram has never been shown reflecting on his actions and trying to think how they would have hurt his wife (no matter the nature of the marriage).

Pri has been living the marriage since Day 1..took much longer for Ram to catch on. Hopefully, we will see a fresh beginning now 😊


True. While Ram has been declaring ‘asli shadi asli shadi’ from day 1, he did precious little to make it asli, while Pri has been quietly implementing an asli shadi all the while without admitting it is asli.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: Doodle


Today in the episode, when Nandini was worried that Mahendra Sood might attack Ram in the future, Adi came forward promising her to always keep an eye on him. From the very first episode, we have witnessed Adi narrating the story of Ram Kapoor. 'Adi’ Kavi Valmiki told the first verse in the epic. We watched Adi again narrating the story of Ram Kapoor in the V-day episode. Sage Valmiki wrote the story of The Ramayan.


I found Adi’s dialogue the funniest of all.. but thanks for adding a new perspective to it ❤️


Meera maa: “aap ki kismat mein maine apni badkismati likh di, Ram.”


ohh this was the one, that bothered me the most… the guilt both MM and Priya feel for adding Ram to the equation, that a good soul like Ram would never have been exposed to an evil one like MS but for them.

Nandini – Pri oath alluded to the famous oath between King Dasarath and Kaikayee. Yes, the hunters [Nandini, Mahendra Sood, Vedika] will strike again. We have seen foreshadowing in today’s episode. Pri took an oath to save the Kapoor family members along with her husband.


Yes, exactly the scene between Dashrath and Kaikeyi plated in front of me… when Pri gave her word and my… did you notice Ram’s expressions there… he was like what have you said… they say right… some things should never be spoken… you never know how you can attract them… the fear in his eyes… as if he would lose her and the gut feeling that Nandini’s punishment would manifest his worst fear…separation from Priya, I think his fear stems from the annulment track…

It foreshadowed that another male dove [Akki] of a happy couple [Akki – Shivina] will be attacked [dead] and this time Nandini will send Pri to vanvaas [punishment] for not fulfilling her promise. She will move to ‘apna ghar’ with Meera maa. [It doesn’t have to be SH]. Will Ram accompany her? I think so, he will. They both went to their [apna] ghar in Tuesday’s episode. So, we have an indication there.


Yes, the apna ghar reference, I had perceived it as a precursor for Vanvaas

Ram: “I told you not to accept any glass/drinks from anyone but me. Tum meri suno, tab naa?”


This is hinting toward Pri’s abduction or kidnapping as Sita was in The Ramayan. [Please don’t quote me here, just my reading of the hints].


Yeah, again I took it as precursor for Priya not heeding to his warning and getting into some sort of trouble


Today, we witnessed Ram having the blessings of two mothers [his birth mother and Meera maa], and as in the epic, in BALH 2, Ram will take revenge [Nandini, Mahindra, and Vedika] for both of them.


I thought by two mothers he was referring to Nandini 🤔


This is a bird’s eye view of the story we watched this week. They are always subject to change based on TRPs.


Wow, wow wow, I think it you and Sea who hold the fort to all optimism and seeing below the surface or beyond the obvious. ☺️


Pessimist in me: Munna bhai style: yeh log ( makers, CV’s) banaye time pe itna sochte bhi hain Kya … 😆

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Posted: 3 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: TheCoolDocSid

tu chidiya ghar jaake aayi? 😆

Kuch statements to sar ke upar se jaaa rahe hai..🤷‍♀️

Matlab kuch bhi … 🤪

I was livid yesterday night🤪 I was suggesting that we should rehash our discussions a little bit there, it can improve perspective interpretations for a generation all together 🤣


I'm up for this. I wish people understood how Priya's character is out of this world.


This character and obviously NaSha are the reason for me to watch BALH.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: Balh2fan


Wow, wow wow, I think it you and Sea who hold the fort to all optimism and seeing below the surface or beyond the obvious. ☺️


Pessimist in me: Munna bhai style: yeh log ( makers, CV’s) banaye time pe itna sochte bhi hain Kya … 😆


The optimistic in me thinks even if they don't think analyse a scene like we do here, it doesn't matter. Reason being, the experience I'm having complements the show. Show + IF analyses = perfection

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Posted: 3 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: TheCoolDocSid

tu chidiya ghar jaake aayi? 😆

Kuch statements to sar ke upar se jaaa rahe hai..🤷‍♀️

Matlab kuch bhi … 🤪

I was livid yesterday night🤪 I was suggesting that we should rehash our discussions a little bit there, it can improve perspective interpretations for a generation all together 🤣


I have been always told that it is a man's world both in personal and professional lives. It's true to some extent even now. I have many examples of that too.

I am not saying men are bad, women are superior or anything. We are equals. If women themselves cant understand the women's side of the story and keep hero-worshipping their male counterparts, how will we ever see equality in this world? How can we change the perspectives of men about women?

Changes are needed and change is you. If we don't make that change, inequality and differential treatment will continue.

So whether it is blue chidiya or IF, understand the characters, keeping their genders aside. It's not about man vs woman, it's about who is on the wrong side?

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Posted: 3 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: Doodle

The cornerstone of the episode belonged to two words: shraap [curse] and tamasa [river].

Today we heard Pri and Ram using those two [key]words.

MM about Pri: “Pita ka shraap [curse] usse kabhi bhi khush nehin rahene denge. It will always follow her.”

Ram: “Rishton ko nibhana toh dur ki baat hoti hai? Har baat ka bas tamasha banana hai, tamasha.”

These two words reminded me of sage Valmiki, who wrote the famous epic, The Ramayan. Many of you know how Adi Kavi Valmiki came to write the epic.


For the uninitiated, I am stating it here: one day, Valmiki went for his morning bath in the river Tamasaa. While he was walking along the river bank, he was delighted to see a pair of krauncha (dove or cranes in some articles) on a tree branch enjoying their blissful moment, but soon they were interrupted by a hunter who killed the male bird with his arrow. The male bird fell at Valmiki’s feet, and the female bird flapped its wings with its requiem of hopelessness.

Just then the grief laden and shocked Valmiki uttered a curse on the hunter. But this curse he uttered in sorrow [shok] became the first verse [shlok] of The Ramayan.

This shlok [First Verse] in Sanskrit style can be juxtaposed in both ways: a curse as well as a blessing. Let me break it down for you:

Ma nishada pratishtam tvam agam shasvati sama

Yat krauncha mithunat ekam avadhih kama mohitam

Shraap [Shok - Valmiki’s Curse]:

Ma nishad – O hunter

Pratishtamtva – reputation

magam – not get

shasvati sama – many years hence

yat – because

krauncha mithunat –love birds

ekam - one

avadhih – you killed

kama mohitam – amorous feelings

O hunter! May you not get stability or peace for endless years since you killed one of the pair of doves in love with each other.

Blessing [Shlok]:

Ma - mother

nishad – home

Pratishta - reputation

tvam – you

agam –get

shasvati sama – many years hence

yat – because

krauncha - crooked

mithunat – out of the pair

ekam - one

avadhih – you killed

kama mohitam – lustful

O Ram! May you get a reputation for endless years since you ended the tyranny of one of the pair [Ravan].

It is a death-bringing curse and arranged in another way the same words mean glory to Adinarayan.

Today in the episode, when Nandini was worried that Mahendra Sood might attack Ram in the future, Adi came forward promising her to always keep an eye on him. From the very first episode, we have witnessed Adi narrating the story of Ram Kapoor. 'Adi’ Kavi Valmiki told the first verse in the epic. We watched Adi again narrating the story of Ram Kapoor in the V-day episode. Sage Valmiki wrote the story of The Ramayan.

In the story of BALH 2, we know that Virendra Kapoor’s murder was planned and executed by Mahendra Sood and Shashi Babbar. Adi promising to watch over MS indicated that he is indeed the Valmiki watching over the hunter[s]. The hunters killed the male dove [Virendra Kapoor] of the loving pair – Ram’s parents. [I have no pointers that Nandini is involved or not]. Today Ram talked about having the blessings of two mothers: His biological mother [female dove] and Meera maa. Maybe his birth mom is alive as per Valmiki’s verse [shok].

Meera maa: “aap ki kismat mein maine apni badkismati likh di, Ram.”

We go back to the Lori episode. That blissful day a pair of krauncha birds was interrupted by the hunters [Shashi and Mahendra Sood] again. We again saw an attempt to kill the male dove [Ram] but was saved by the female dove [Pri].


Pri to Nandini: “I will always be Mr. Kapoor’s shadow; every oath that I have taken at our wedding, I will fulfill them all; I will not allow any harm to my husband; and if I am not near him then I am taking an oath keeping my mom as a witness that if I am not able to fulfill my oath of protecting Mr. Kapoor or this family then I will not object to anything you say and I will respect each and every punishment by you. I promise.”


Nandini – Pri oath alluded to the famous oath between King Dasarath and Kaikayee. Yes, the hunters [Nandini, Mahendra Sood, Vedika] will strike again. We have seen foreshadowing in today’s episode. Pri took an oath to save the Kapoor family members along with her husband.


It foreshadowed that another male dove [Akki] of a happy couple [Akki – Shivina] will be attacked [dead] and this time Nandini will send Pri to vanvaas [punishment] for not fulfilling her promise. She will move to ‘apna ghar’ with Meera maa. [It doesn’t have to be SH]. Will Ram accompany her? I think so, he will. They both went to their [apna] ghar in Tuesday’s episode. So, we have an indication there.


Since we are alluding to Ramayan, we have Surpanakha [V] into play. There is a foreshadowing hinted by Ram earlier which indicated the ‘golden deer’ analogy.


Ram: “I told you not to accept any glass/drinks from anyone but me. Tum meri suno, tab naa?”


This is hinting toward Pri’s abduction or kidnapping as Sita was in The Ramayan. [Please don’t quote me here, just my reading of the hints].


But then we have Valmiki’s first verse to save the day:

The first verse [curse] talks about the hunters who killed the [male] dove of the happy couple.

The first verse [blessing] is Ram killing the crooked one of the couples. [Ravan]


Ram: "I have the blessings of two moms and as long as I have them, no one can even touch me."


Today, we witnessed Ram having the blessings of two mothers [his birth mother and Meera maa], and as in the epic, in BALH 2, Ram will take revenge [Nandini, Mahindra, and Vedika] for both of them.


This is a bird’s eye view of the story we watched this week. They are always subject to change based on TRPs.


Let me add my symbolism here


Adi's dialogues gave me the vibe that Ram will exit KM. Adi will join him. During the Holi, Adi chose Ram, whereas Vikrant and Kunal joined Priya. These 3 friends will be the link between Raya.


That's exactly what Laxman did in Ramayana. He left everything and went with Ram

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Originally posted by: Doodle

The cornerstone of the episode belonged to two words: shraap [curse] and tamasa [river].

Today we heard Pri and Ram using those two [key]words.

MM about Pri: “Pita ka shraap [curse] usse kabhi bhi khush nehin rahene denge. It will always follow her.”

Ram: “Rishton ko nibhana toh dur ki baat hoti hai? Har baat ka bas tamasha banana hai, tamasha.”

These two words reminded me of sage Valmiki, who wrote the famous epic, The Ramayan. Many of you know how Adi Kavi Valmiki came to write the epic.


For the uninitiated, I am stating it here: one day, Valmiki went for his morning bath in the river Tamasaa. While he was walking along the river bank, he was delighted to see a pair of krauncha (dove or cranes in some articles) on a tree branch enjoying their blissful moment, but soon they were interrupted by a hunter who killed the male bird with his arrow. The male bird fell at Valmiki’s feet, and the female bird flapped its wings with its requiem of hopelessness.

Just then the grief laden and shocked Valmiki uttered a curse on the hunter. But this curse he uttered in sorrow [shok] became the first verse [shlok] of The Ramayan.

This shlok [First Verse] in Sanskrit style can be juxtaposed in both ways: a curse as well as a blessing. Let me break it down for you:

Ma nishada pratishtam tvam agam shasvati sama

Yat krauncha mithunat ekam avadhih kama mohitam

Shraap [Shok - Valmiki’s Curse]:

Ma nishad – O hunter

Pratishtamtva – reputation

magam – not get

shasvati sama – many years hence

yat – because

krauncha mithunat –love birds

ekam - one

avadhih – you killed

kama mohitam – amorous feelings

O hunter! May you not get stability or peace for endless years since you killed one of the pair of doves in love with each other.

Blessing [Shlok]:

Ma - mother

nishad – home

Pratishta - reputation

tvam – you

agam –get

shasvati sama – many years hence

yat – because

krauncha - crooked

mithunat – out of the pair

ekam - one

avadhih – you killed

kama mohitam – lustful

O Ram! May you get a reputation for endless years since you ended the tyranny of one of the pair [Ravan].

It is a death-bringing curse and arranged in another way the same words mean glory to Adinarayan.

Today in the episode, when Nandini was worried that Mahendra Sood might attack Ram in the future, Adi came forward promising her to always keep an eye on him. From the very first episode, we have witnessed Adi narrating the story of Ram Kapoor. 'Adi’ Kavi Valmiki told the first verse in the epic. We watched Adi again narrating the story of Ram Kapoor in the V-day episode. Sage Valmiki wrote the story of The Ramayan.

In the story of BALH 2, we know that Virendra Kapoor’s murder was planned and executed by Mahendra Sood and Shashi Babbar. Adi promising to watch over MS indicated that he is indeed the Valmiki watching over the hunter[s]. The hunters killed the male dove [Virendra Kapoor] of the loving pair – Ram’s parents. [I have no pointers that Nandini is involved or not]. Today Ram talked about having the blessings of two mothers: His biological mother [female dove] and Meera maa. Maybe his birth mom is alive as per Valmiki’s verse [shok].

Meera maa: “aap ki kismat mein maine apni badkismati likh di, Ram.”

We go back to the Lori episode. That blissful day a pair of krauncha birds was interrupted by the hunters [Shashi and Mahendra Sood] again. We again saw an attempt to kill the male dove [Ram] but was saved by the female dove [Pri].


Pri to Nandini: “I will always be Mr. Kapoor’s shadow; every oath that I have taken at our wedding, I will fulfill them all; I will not allow any harm to my husband; and if I am not near him then I am taking an oath keeping my mom as a witness that if I am not able to fulfill my oath of protecting Mr. Kapoor or this family then I will not object to anything you say and I will respect each and every punishment by you. I promise.”


Nandini – Pri oath alluded to the famous oath between King Dasarath and Kaikayee. Yes, the hunters [Nandini, Mahendra Sood, Vedika] will strike again. We have seen foreshadowing in today’s episode. Pri took an oath to save the Kapoor family members along with her husband.


It foreshadowed that another male dove [Akki] of a happy couple [Akki – Shivina] will be attacked [dead] and this time Nandini will send Pri to vanvaas [punishment] for not fulfilling her promise. She will move to ‘apna ghar’ with Meera maa. [It doesn’t have to be SH]. Will Ram accompany her? I think so, he will. They both went to their [apna] ghar in Tuesday’s episode. So, we have an indication there.


Since we are alluding to Ramayan, we have Surpanakha [V] into play. There is a foreshadowing hinted by Ram earlier which indicated the ‘golden deer’ analogy.


Ram: “I told you not to accept any glass/drinks from anyone but me. Tum meri suno, tab naa?”


This is hinting toward Pri’s abduction or kidnapping as Sita was in The Ramayan. [Please don’t quote me here, just my reading of the hints].


But then we have Valmiki’s first verse to save the day:

The first verse [curse] talks about the hunters who killed the [male] dove of the happy couple.

The first verse [blessing] is Ram killing the crooked one of the couples. [Ravan]


Ram: "I have the blessings of two moms and as long as I have them, no one can even touch me."


Today, we witnessed Ram having the blessings of two mothers [his birth mother and Meera maa], and as in the epic, in BALH 2, Ram will take revenge [Nandini, Mahindra, and Vedika] for both of them.


This is a bird’s eye view of the story we watched this week. They are always subject to change based on TRPs.


Brilliant!It was so absorbing to read this. I doubt of the show’s writers are so erudite but this more thsn mskes up for it.

It also means that even if the writers did not intend something, our analysis & interpretation is how we see things thru the lens of our life experiences & worldview. Those perspectives are what a good book or show is supposed to bring us, but chalo, this forum is doing it!

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