Why Parikshit? - Page 11

Originally posted by: swathi90

But I remember reading kmg only, southern I never read. Y I remember this because we particularly talked about this stree dharma , and discussed what an amazing woman Draupadi was and how she balanced her life as mother and wife, even satya praises her for this, I wish I could provide u link now, but i ll try to contact some of forum members ( old form members) who had discussed about this, it’s been long actually almost 5 r 6 years, i ll try to ask them.

Thanks. I'd like to see this. Because I remember thinking Panchali was a very peculiar mother. She doesn't mention her sons at all during the two visits from Krishna. She talks about all her work, the finances, the citizen grievance cell, about Pandavas, about Kunti, about other wives. Not a word about children.

Originally posted by: swathi90

My laptop s not working, i am using mobile, I don’t know how to post from mobile,i read kmg few years back there i am not saying she was particularly talking about upapandavas to satya r Krishna, I know it’s krishnaa and satya who assures her, but when she was talking about stree dharma with satya she talks about her brief life in ip where she mentions about upapandavas and how she used to serve their fathers. And even then krshna and satya themselves never talks about suthanu but they did assures her about sons, that’s what i am saying.

That is drapaudi and satyabhama conversation di. But there is no mention of upandavas all drapaudi talks about is how she serves her husband sons of pandu and her mother in law pritha.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Diff between what I'm saying and what you're saying is you're picking a number 97 out of thin air.

It's not my OPINION that Drona was 85. It's given in text.

Even if Bheeshma was 97 AND magically in full possession of all his PHYSICAL as well as mental capabilities, he would still have been 66 at Khandav prastha by the 33-year timeframe you mentioned. Which would put Arjuna in his mid 20s by then. A 12-year exile would STILL put him in his early teens when he had Iravan. He would have been 8 to 10 years old when he went to Panchali swayamvara. 6 or 7 by the time he did Gurudakshina war.

While difference between 85 and 97 is practical terms may not be much, there is a huge difference between 6 to 12 and 26.

If we take exile as 13 months, then Arjuna would have been early 20s. it would still mean he was in his late teens when he went to swayamvara. He would have been in mid teens when he went on gurukashina war. Rigveda actually gives an age when men are supposed to have completed their studies. I believe it is 21 but not sure. It is somewhere in early to mid 20s for sure. Since all Pandavas had completed studies by gurudakshina war, we can assume Arjuna was at least 21.

There is no logical way to stretch Abhimanyu's age to 33 without using divine angle. It isn't an opinion. Laws of biology and physics say so.

45 Arjuna - 23 Abhimanyu

52 Arjuna - 30 Abhimanyu

Can you tell me, how are you decreasing Arjuna's age back in time when I am increasing it during the war?

How does Arjuna being 52 during war decreases his age when he met Subhadra?

There's an increase in their age from the bracket of Drona being 85 to 92 and Bheeshma being 97

Biology doesn't allow a 90 years old man to wreck havoc, In any case Bheeshma was 90

Anyway, one believes what they want to I don't think Drona was 85 because Bheema had a grandson, 33 years mentioned by dhritrastra and Abhimanyu being part of Rajsuya yagya makes a stronger case for me than a man killing millions when he is 90 but not able to do anything when he is 97

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Thanks. I'd like to see this. Because I remember thinking Panchali was a very peculiar mother. She doesn't mention her sons at all during the two visits from Krishna. She talks about all her work, the finances, the citizen grievance cell, about Pandavas, about Kunti, about other wives. Not a word about children.

I ll try to contact old members, she actually talks About how she was as wife and mother, u know it was an interesting conversation actually , she practically explains difference being wife and mother to sons. I ll message some of old members I know.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

That is drapaudi and satyabhama conversation di. But there is no mention of upandavas all drapaudi talks about is how she serves her husband sons of pandu and her mother in law pritha.

Let me ask some of old members I remember discussing about this.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

45 Arjuna - 23 Abhimanyu

52 Arjuna - 30 Abhimanyu

Can you tell me, how are you decreasing Arjuna's age back in time when I am increasing it during the war?

How does Arjuna being 52 during war changes his age when he met Subhadra?

Because you're using the 33-year timeframe to assert Abhimanyu was 33.

52 year old Arjuna during war would mean he was 52 - 33, ie 19, at Khandava and Abhimayu's birth. ie 18 by exile if we take it as 13 months. ie, mid teens during Panchali swayamvara.

Take a look at the following link. This gives age of marriage. Panchali was kumaari chaapi, which means she was at least 13 (girls had to be 13 to be called kumaari even then). Bheeshma says once puberty sets in, parents had to wait 3 years. Which means she was 16 AT LEAST at swayamvara.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m13/m13b009.htm

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu/manu09.htm

The MINIMUM age a man can marry is given as 24.

That means the 33-year timeframe is wrong.

When you're calculating Abhimanyu's age as 33 based on that "33-years have passed" statement PLUS Drona's age, Arjuna would necessarily have had to be in mid teens at the OLDEST t swayamvar. If we are to believe the 12-year exile, he would have been an infant.

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Now if you insist 33-year timeframe is correct and Drona being 85 is wrong, let's calculate forward. let's say all Pandavas were at least 24 at swayamvara since that was the rule. Say Arjuna was same age as twins at 24. They stayed in Panchal for a year, took a couple of years to build a city, then Arjuna's exile happened. This would leave him in late 20s by Subhadra haran plus a year for Abhimanyu to be born if exile was 13 months. It would leave him in early 40s by haran if exile was 12 years. Say 30-42 by then.

Then Khandava

Add 33 years. Arjuna would be 63 to 75 during kurkshetra.

Here is where we will ignore Drona being 85 since that is the assumption for this calculation😆. Arjuna's father didn't have him until later in his young life. He would also have to have been a minimum of 24 at marriage. he went on imperial campaign also. Then, he found out he couldn't have kids. So Pandu was at least 30 by the time Arjuna was born. Vyasa's age doesn't count since it was Niyoga. Vichitraveerya was at least 24 at marriage, and he was born when Bheeshma was a teen. Say Bheeshma was 13. So there will be 30+24+13 year age gap at a MINIMUM between Arjuna and Bheeshma. So the age of Bheeshma at Kurukshetra will be 130 to 142.

Under no rules of logic did a 130-year old man fight like that.

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Either way, it's simply not possible without bringing in a divine angle.

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Anyway, my aim is not to convince anyone arguing otherwise. I simply want this calculation to be on this thread for anyone who might be reading through it.

I've seen this argument Kauravas didn't kill a child because Abhimanyu was 33 before. No, Kauravas - Suyodhana, Dusshasana, their sons, - Drona, Karna, et al were child murderers. No getting around the fact.

I doubt Arjun was only 22 years elder to Abhimanyu, because Subhadra wasn't born till Kans Vadh (her mother was in NandGao and father in prison so no chance at all), she was therefore at least 11 years younger to Krishna and so 10.5 years younger to Arjun, so when Arjun was 22 she would have been like 11.5, not just she isn't mentioned a preteen at the time of marriage, I also doubt an 11.5 years girl can give birth.

Hey could it be the reverse then?? Instead of Abhimanyu being Subhadra's son adopted by Draupadi, could he be Draupadi's son adopted by Subhadra🤣

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I doubt Arjun was only 22 years elder to Abhimanyu, because Subhadra wasn't born till Kans Vadh (her mother was in NandGao and father in prison so no chance at all), she was therefore at least 11 years younger to Krishna and so 10.5 years younger to Arjun, so when Arjun was 22 she would have been like 11.5, not just she isn't mentioned a preteen at the time of marriage, I also doubt an 11.5 years girl can give birth.

Hey could it be the reverse then?? Instead of Abhimanyu being Subhadra's son adopted by Draupadi, could he be Draupadi's son adopted by Subhadra🤣

@Bold. That's what I've been trying to say. The age gap between father and son was at a minimum 30. For Abhimanyu to be 33, Bheeshma would have to be 130-142 for timeline to work out, or Arjuna started early in life😆 with the ladies. Like when he was still sucking his thumb early.

@ Red. Well... since I don't believe there was polyandry, it would be a finger in the eye for Yudhishtira. Love i!

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

^^^ Why wouldn't Krishna and Pandavas children marry?? They are still cross cousins and cross cousin marriages were common back them in Yadavs

Arjun and Subhadra were first cousins themselves yet they married so why an issue in the marriage of Draupadi's daughter by someone who isn't even Subhadra's husband to Krishna's son?

I am assuming that this question is addressed to me, despite the arrows, since the previous post did not assert such a thing: I did.

FIrst, there was a rule among kshatriyas that there had to be 7 degrees of separation b/w groom and bride, so forget first cousins, but even sixth-degree separated cousins couldn't marry. Anyway, since Arjun married Subhadra, Krishna married Bhadra and Mitravindya, it's clear that this rule wasn't applicable to Yayati's descendants, for whatever reason.

However, there was also a rule that if a man belonging to family A married a woman belonging to family B, then after that, a man from family B couldn't take a woman from family A as his wife, since family B was considered 'subservient' to family A, and that couldn't be reversed by marriage. So, take the Ramayan. Sita's sisters could marry Rama's brothers, but had Sita had any brothers and had Rama had more sisters (other than Shanta), Sita's brother couldn't have married Rama's sister: that was against the rules.

Yet, the above discussion of Yudhisthir's daughter marrying Krishna's son violated that very rule: since Subhadra married Arjun, no son of Krishna could have married a daughter of a Pandava. However, any daughter of Krishna could have married another son of a Pandava.

Not everything needs to be accurate as mentioned in the texts

As per Mahabharata Vyas ji was present at the Janmayey Yagya. He asked Vaishampayan to narrate the story

This would mean that he was alive till the time his grandson,'s grandson's son became the king. If we assume Janamejay was at least 16 at this time (and 16 years time for each generation) Parikshit should have been born at least 32 years ago, Abhimanyu 48 years ago, Arjun 64 years ago, Pandu at least 85 years ago (since Arjun was third child and was born after sometime from marriage so assuming Yudhishtir was born when he was 19 not going by 16 rule here), Vichitraveer 102 (again assuming he died at 16 and then Niyog happened) Vyasji was at least 3 years elder to Vichitraveer since he was born before Satyavati's marriage and the Vichitraveer was her second child so he was at least 105 years at the time of Yagya. Even this seems impossible to me