Bhishma's pratigya - His decision to stick to his vow - Page 2

So guys we are convinced - it was a 2-less act - self-less and thought-less 😆

Originally posted by: Sanskruthi

Well because he was Bhishma, MB is the story of rigid vows no matter how stupid it made them look under certain circumstances.

What time he should have stake his claim? When Ps and Ks were at each others throat? Then it was too late.

Before, it was somehow convinent to just be counseling.... Most of the time the HP elders did just roll with the scenes.

@bold - When Satyawati's sons died at young age, the Kingdom needed a king but Bheeshma denied because of the vow. It was then that Satyawati's son from before marriage, Ved Vyasa, came and Dhritrashtra, Pandu and Vidura were born.

Originally posted by: sonnet11

@bold - When Satyawati's sons died at young age, the Kingdom needed a king but Bheeshma denied because of the vow. It was then that Satyawati's son from before marriage, Ved Vyasa, came and Dhritrashtra, Pandu and Vidura were born.

Exactly that was the time he could have stepped in but I guess as anyone else he too could not expect what happened later. His only aim was to get an able ruler for the kingdom thats why Vyas was called by Satyawati. Also the reason for the destruction later was the ambition of Dhritrashtra to make his son Duryodhan as the king and his blind love for his son which didnt let him see beyond Duryodhan ever.

Originally posted by: sonnet11

@bold - When Satyawati's sons died at young age, the Kingdom needed a king but Bheeshma denied because of the vow. It was then that Satyawati's son from before marriage, Ved Vyasa, came and Dhritrashtra, Pandu and Vidura were born.

He came up with a Brahmana solution convincing and reminding Satyavati of Vyasa. The Brahmana factor would be like a full stop, nobody would have questioned anything, problem solved without tarnishing him. So it wasn't exactly a do or die situation for HP.

Originally posted by: Sanskruthi

He came up with a Brahmana solution convincing and reminding Satyavati of Vyasa. The Brahmana factor would be like a full stop, nobody would have questioned anything, problem solved without tarnishing him. So it wasn't exactly a do or die situation for HP.

I totally understand your viewpoint. Somehow, though, I am not convinced with Bhishma's actions here. I feel like he gave too much importance to that vow and kept finding excuses to shift the onus of the kingdom.

One can argue that he was Bhishma, the man of words and so, he couldn't go back on what he had pledged. Yes, that is true but I can't condone Bhishma here. This is my personal opinion even though I completely respect yours.

I think my opinion is harsher towards him because I know what happened in history but Bhishma couldn't know what the future of Hastinapur held.

Originally posted by: sonnet11

I totally understand your viewpoint. Somehow, though, I am not convinced with Bhishma's actions here. I feel like he gave too much importance to that vow and kept finding excuses to shift the onus of the kingdom.

One can argue that he was Bhishma, the man of words and so, he couldn't go back on what he had pledged. Yes, that is true but I can't condone Bhishma here. This is my personal opinion even though I completely respect yours.

I think my opinion is harsher towards him because I know what happened in history but Bhishma couldn't know what the future of Hastinapur held.

Trust me I was there when ⭐️B aired😆 you never get closure with MB characters, they're like snakes biting their own tail leading to peril. Taking them at face value is only way to live.

Originally posted by: Sanskruthi

Trust me I was there when ⭐️B aired😆 you never get closure with MB characters, they're like snakes biting their own tail leading to peril. Taking them at face value is only way to live.

And that's the beauty of MB, questions and dilemmas, and more dilemmas👏

When Devavrat took the vow, he didn't know that two generations of Kurus would give the kingdom ephemeral kings. One may call the decision impulsive and short-sighted.

It's actually tough to see the Dwapara Yuga through modern lenses because vows usually mean nothing to us. We can hardly stick to one POV. 😆

Hi I am new to this forum But I would like to join this discussion if you all don’t mind.

I actually believe the decision was taken impulsively by a very young immature Devrat who had only recently come to his father n Was new to a father-son relationship:

He simply thought- ok what will mk my father’s unhappiness go away?

Mrg to Satyavati

Ok so it’s my dharm to ensure the mrg happens. Hence the wow

Now talking of dharm if we take swadharm then yes he may have been right in taking the vow. But swadharm NEVER supersedes rajadharm. Acc to rajdharm, his vow was absolutely wrong

sticking to his vow:

again he should hv given precedence to rajdharm at various points as u all have already discussed

But (and it’s a v big BUT) there was a point where his vow shouldn’t hv mattered an ounce! That was when

Amba returned after being insulted by Shalva

no vow or dharm Is bigger than a woman’s honor

I believe he Should hv Married Amba

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

When Devavrat took the vow, he didn't know that two generations of Kurus would give the kingdom ephemeral kings. One may call the decision impulsive and short-sighted.

It's actually tough to see the Dwapara Yuga through modern lenses because vows usually mean nothing to us. We can hardly stick to one POV. 😆

@bold - Wist, I felt this😆

One thing why I feel MB is and will remain a classic is because it is relevant for all times. What happened in that yug has been happening since ages and will keep on happening. The relevance lies in understanding one's dharma and following the rightest path. God will be with you if your path is for justice and good-of-all. Like Lord Krishna says,

Karmanyevaadhikaraste ma faleshu kadachan - your right to action but not on its fruit.

Then you also never know if what you are doing will lead to the desired results or not. Like Bhishma couldn't predict the future. But I feel that being a yuvraj, he shouldn't have denied his kingdom a worthy King because of his moh for his father, for those who were not yet born.