Reflections and Analysis, July 14, 2007

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Posted: 18 years ago
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It is always such a pleasure to listen to old songs and so much harder for the performers because everyone in the audience knows every note, every bar, every sigh, they are impossible to please.

So let me begin with my continuing disappointment with Toshi. 'Din dhal jaaye' is a song full of sadness and despair. And not full of Toshi. I know people have started reading these posts looking for technical analysis; for them, I have this to offer, off-note on two 'Raat na jaayes' and off-beat on transition from verse to chorus. But that bothered me less than my sense of irritation at Toshi's sense of self-importance that overtook the song's own mood. I think he is vastly overrated and I am getting very irritated by his smugness.

Sharib's attitude was also like this through much of EMET (I watched only the end of Challenge 2005) and the fact is we have seen better talents on these shows than both these brothers. A little confidence is fuel; smugness is petrol on fire.

My grade for Toshi's sur, etc. is B but my overall grade is the same. I want Abhaas to sing this song for Toshi and show him how it's done.

Harshit's singing was technically flawless but when I heard Arindam I understood what I had been missing when I heard him. When Arindam sings, he infuses not just the singing with melody, but the spaces between the singing and something else besides. Harshit sings tunefully, which as others prove is already a big deal. For this difference, Harshit gets B+ and Arindam gets A. I am very sad to see Arindam go, and yesterday would have gladly sent Toshi out instead.

Ira's singing needed to go a little further. Her rendition sounded like she had simplified the tune to suit her ability rather than stretched her ability to suit the tune. She can do better and needed to. That said, yesterday, I thought she was better than Prantika.

I do not agree with Alka Yagnik's pronouncement about heroine's playbacks needing to sound like her and Lata Mangeshkar. Rani Mukherjee and Preity Zinta only sound like them when they are singing, and that is true of more and more heroines now. My problem with Ira's singing yesterday had to do with the fact that it showcased her limitations rather than her abilities. I do like her voice.

Prantika's voice is also easy to listen to, but she seemed to be out of her depth yesterday. Maybe she needs a little of Toshi's confidence to fire her performances. Prantika missed taal a lot.

From me, Ira gets B for yesterday and Prantika gets C.

This brings us to Rahul, whom I did not forget today! I have however forgotten his performance almost totally. So I will give him the benefit of the doubt on sur-taal and a B, while holding back the creamy points for how he sounded.

So we now have fourteen. I would still say, lose Priyani and Toshi, and we will have a watchable group.

This time, I disagreed with almost everything that Alka said and all her grades. Perhaps she hears something other than what I hear through her headphones. I do not understand the praise for Toshi and for Harshit. To me it seems that the judges have pre-judged who will stay and who will go. To have certain people perform appears to be a formality. Whereas with Arindam, his singing and performance were incidental to the determination of his fate. Likewise, based on last night's performances, Ira should have stayed and Prantika gone. That did not happen but was it because the judges had already decided the results in their minds?

Anyway, it looks as if Alka Yagnik is going nowhere. So much for believing what we read!

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I was looking for the analysis vanajaakshi for one thing more than anything else - Toshi's performance😕 Whilst listening to him I had felt he was just ok and wud get average scores... But then came a 10 from Aadesh, Jatin felt like crying, Alka almost stopped her tears😕 And I felt, wow Maybe I am biased against him... I wanted to check the analysis so I could see the technical part that why was he praised so much... But now reading the analysis, I feel maybe its not just me thinking that he was over rated...

Harshid was best for me and Prantika was not at all good yesterday... I feel Arindam was better and shud have been in Top 3...

Ira was ok - not great but alka's persistence over the issue was un called for...

Rahul - deserved to go...


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Posted: 18 years ago
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I am also happy to note Toshi's performance failed to impress someone else. I read other views just now on the Live Update.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I too am dissapointed with Toshi..... No idea whats wrong with him. And I was more dissapointed as this was one of my very favourite songs and he..... 😭


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Posted: 18 years ago
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toshi & priyani r still better than sumitra...she doesn't impress me much in her singing.We'll have to see the next round to judge who is watchable n who is not!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I not going to comment on the technicalities of Toshi's singing, because I am not knowledgeable on this subject, but to be fair to him I thought that he did a fabulous job capturing the emotion behind the song. I do agree that he is so full of himself and as you so rightfully pointed out we have to find a way to remove the smugness from his face. If you discount these couple of points , I feel he can go a long way.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Most of the songs yesterday I have nt listened to the originals...... so whatever my views were on Live update were just as layman listener for any new song in the market....

Whenever i praised the performance it was nt because the person used more or less murkiya than original (for Ira Sharma who simplified the song for herself).... but the way the song made an impact on me..... rest my views are already there in the Live update but i would always prefer Arindum over toshi..... I felt toshi got unreasonably more marks yesterday and Arindum got unreasonably less today.... 😕 ..... I would prefer to let out Sumitra, Arvind and Toshi to accommodate Arindum and make bemisaal 12...... 😊

I would also like Ira Sharma to be in..... but not sure whom i can take out..... may be priyani.....😊

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Posted: 18 years ago
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excellent analysis vanaja ...
now am 100% sure that the grps had been created just to make an easy path for the pre-decided bemisaal 12 ...
but somewhere along the way some ppl sang better than the chosen ones and had to be accomodated, else it wud've been too obvious and hence we have 14 now ...

coming to the singing ... i thot harshit was quite gud ... he sang the song effortlessly ... while he did sound like sukhwinder on friday, yday he was better ... if toshi can get a 10, harsit shudve been given 11 atleast

toshi ... gosh i am feeling so bad ... i guess expectation is the problem here ... he did move into a diff genre but it was not a very smooth movement

ira ... just bad luck i wud say ... she was not bad at all ... and she has a very different voice ... she was mush better than prantika who i think chose the wrong song ... she started wrong ... lost taal and sur at a number of places and was also out of breath ... but prantika again, i think, can do well ... i was hoping for 5 to be selected again 😊

arindam ... very very sad to see him go ... i can exchange a number of ppl for him ... i didnt like his bheegi bheegi all that much ... but he was quite gud yday ... i quite liked the way he said 'nobody took my name' 😊 it was soo cute ... sad to see him go ...
am wishing for the wildcard rnd !!!

rahul was not bad ... i guess he was just destined to go ...

so we have harshit at 91 (was he better than abhilasha at 90 ???? 😕 no way ), toshi at 88 ( was he better than abhaas at 87 ??? 😕 no way )
something's going wrong somewhere ... i hope the judges are back to normal soon ... considering its 50% marking by judges ...
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Great analysis. 👏
I liked Harshit the best yesterday though he could have put more feel and romance into the song. Arindam was good as well. I liked his Bheegi bheegi song better though. Prantika was disappointing. Toshi, I felt he was okay in din dhal jaye. Aadesh's 10 was quite shocking! It was not a 10 performance. 😕
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Wonderful analysis by all....

Some very beautiful songs were attempted on Saturday, and I liked listening to them with their small little imperfections...

Toshi - His singing has perhaps seen the most divided opinion here... I love Vanaja's statement when she says that the song was so full of Toshi... He surely needs to improve his attitude, and I am sad to see that the judges are only fueling that attitude rather than correcting it! Havign said that, I thought - he sang lot better on Saturday than on Friday.. I would have actually let him go on Friday itself.. but based on Saturday's performance, he stayed back...

Harshid - Very focussed, great tonal quality, perfect on 'sur' and all.. but where is the feel? Any song, without the feel, is half-dead... Harshid, please dont take that over-marked 91 to heart... There are extremely talented singers in the fray.. and the competition will only be stronger...

Totally agree on Ira's song selection.. she exposed her range with the song... Dont agree to Alka that she cannot play back with that voice, of course she can as most of the current day actresses actually have a ver coarse voice! I think, she should have selected something else....

I love Prantika's voice... Its always a pleasure to listen to... She again selected a very tough song, and Asha'ji herself admits that its one of her tougher songs.. I always thought Prantika was more of a Lata-ish singer, but her attempting the Asha song quite well was actually surprising!

Rahul - I again thought the same that why was Kaushik left behind to accomodate Rahul.. and I have no answers!

Arindam - oh I will absolutely miss him... His Friday's performance was absolutely wonderful, but Saturday was equally great.... Really sad to see why he was given such low scores by the judges? Why this bias? What is the reason behind it!

I think Group D will be memorable less for the singers who moved to the next round, but more for the singers we lost in Saptaparna and Arindam!

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