More Harrasment to Rithisha this Week(18/10/08) - Page 2

Originally posted by: rvinitra

@ SiriuslySujal

Please dont consider this as a bashing from a Rithisha fan! Am apologizing before hand if I offend u with my view.

Well, what ur saying is right! I agree with you! But my point is that, when the judges are critisizing any contestant's singing, they should be honest! Have you ever heard Ismail Darbar even tell Saptaparna/Roshni about her breathing issues. When they are telling all the other contestants that their performance is SUPERB, MINDBLOWING etc for their mediocre or OK performance, for the same mediocre or OK (according to u) performance of Rithisha, they give highly strong comments. They not only say it straight that u went wrong @ so-n-so place etc but this totally discourages the contestant. This is clearly unfair! I would not say it's harrasment but for sure its unfair.

Sorry if i hav offended u in any way.

Hey rvinitra... I'm not at all offended! In fact, I'm very grateful for the dignified way in which you expressed your views. I generally get bashed on IF whenever I express any opinions that go against the grain of what I tend to deem the "general forum consensus".

I totally agree with your points... didn't really think about the fact that Rohit, Vipul etc often get comments like, "Superb!" and "Mind-blowing!" for quite mediocre performances. (I tend to automatically tune out nowadays when those two words are used... am just fed up of them, lol! 😆). I was basically just trying to say in my post that I don't think their judgement of Rithisha is unfair in itself, but YES, when you compare it to the way in which they judge the others, I must concede that it IS unfair. I think the judges should tell everyone exactly where they go wrong, but do it in a nice way, not in a 'bashing' way, and also explain to them clearly how they can improve on these issues, instead of making comments that show that they know what they're talking about but which don't really help anyone, like, "Chha gaya, dost", and things like that. For example, with Rithisha, when Ismail Darbar said, "Yeh gaane behne wale hai... abhi tak tum logon me behne wali fitrat paida nahin hui" (or something like that... forgive my Hindi if it is wrong!), he could have added something like, "Gaane me beh jaane ke liye aapko gaane ke emotions ko puri tarha samajhna hai, aur gaate waqt unhi ke baare me sochna hai" - my personal advice, haha...). You get the drift, though... that would obviously have been more helpful to Rithisha than vague and random metaphors. I also feel that the individual judges should not have favourites (though they are human and this is inevitable) but that if they must have favourites, they should not be blind to their faults (like Monty, who gave Rohit 10/10 for some terrible performances), and should instead actively seek to improve and fine-tune the contestants they feel have potential.

See, I think what makes people say that these judges are "the worst judges in any musical show ever", as I have read in posts here and there, is the fact that they AREN'T necessarily honest with all the contestants all the time, as you rightly pointed out. For example, Monty should have told Rohit honestly when he didn't sing well instead of constantly saying, "I see you as VOI." Such constructive criticism would have done Rohit a world of good as a singer. Ravi Shukla improved so much from Ismail Darbar's one good, honest lecture in one of the earlier episodes about the lack of "mardaangi" in his voice. And yet Darbar, despite his generally sound musical judgement, has failed to tell his favourite, Saptaparna about her breathing issues (as you mentioned! 👏). Another example - Zakir was praised a lot by the judges in the beginning, but this thinned out as other (better) people got eliminated before Zakir, which probably made the judges (or at least Darbar and Monty) begin to see him as a bit of a thorn in the side. Poor chap. Similarly, Rithisha was praised a lot in the beginning, but this thinned out as the judges, who, like me, seem to place much importance on "bhaav", began to notice the lack of it in her singing, but couldn't effectively explain this deficiency to the poor girl, who has clearly become confused and less self-assured on stage than she was in the earlier rounds, and is even beginning to lose sur, which was initially one of her major plus points (e.g. in "Sab Ki Baaraatein Aayi", some of her turnings on the "... humko raja ji le jaana" came out really badly... though she did compensate with some other quite technically impressive ones! 😳).

Lol... why are my posts on here always so long? 😆 😆 😆 Anyway, I hope you're satisfied with my views and that we have reached an understanding (which I think we have! I love non-argumentative discussions, especially on music... 😳 😳 😳)

Best wishes,

~Nazneen~

Originally posted by: vidya0906

Nazneen very well said. 'Agree with you that Ritisha in the beginning was just outstanding. 'It is because of those performances that we all like her and are rooting for her so faithfully. 'Later on her song selection was not good because of which her singing didn't match up to her earlier performances. 'The judges are to blame for this. 'They should guide her with regards to where she went wrong, etc. 'But no, they (ID and Suhki) just don't lose any opportunity to bash her singing. 'How can anyone perform against so much bias. 'Even today, Ritisha had brought some dish cooked by her for the judges. 'Monty ate it and said namak kam hai, but very tasty. 'Sukhi gave ID a bite of it. 'He ate and there was just no comment. 'The poor girl was waiting eagerly for some comment, but none was coming. '

I have only this to say that she is the only singer among this lot who deserves to win the title. ''

Hey... glad you agree with my points! 😃

I haven't watched today's episode yet, but... wow. That is really mean of the judges, to treat her like that after she so sweetly brought them some home-cooking. They should respect the fact that she went through so much effort for them instead of acting so distastefully ungrateful. At least Monty acknowledged that somewhat; I am SHOCKED by the fact that ID didn't comment at all. That's just plain mean.

I agree that it must be difficult for her to perform when she is receiving only bashing and no proper guidance, particularly under the pressures of representing the entire South, living up to her family and friends' expectations, trying to carry on Vinti's dahej awareness campaign, etc. My heart goes out to her. It is things like this which discourage me from entering any singing reality shows after I graduate. I have been watching SRGM(P) since the days when Sonu Nigam hosted it, and it's been a dream of mine to enter it practically all my life... not to win any prizes/fame, or because I believe that I could win (heck, I'm not sure I'd even get past auditions), but simply as a singing learning experience. I don't know if SRGMP at the moment is as much of a scripted dramatic farce as SVOI, but it is GS's show, so my expectations of it being a toned-down, non-dramatic show are obviously not very high. So what would really be the point in entering? Would I suffer incredible amounts of stress (like Rithisha probably is)? Probably. Would I learn much about singing and music (directly from the judges, that is, rather than from my own observations/opinions/judgements)? Unlikely.

Congratulations, Gajji, on successfully discouraging people from entering your shows. 👏 😡

(P.S. - Sorry, I didn't mean to talk about myself for an entire paragraph. 😔 I just hope Gajji reads this and understands the need for him to do a complete 180 in terms of his approach to his shows. I can hardly believe that the man who gave us the amazing, excellent SRGM now (arguably) employs gundas to come on the stage and protest about eliminations. It's really, really sad).

Originally posted by: SiriuslySujal

Sunil Ji,

With all due respect, I think you're taking things a little too far with these weekly posts about harassment towards Rithisha. I don't generally post on IF, as I always seem to end up getting bashed because my views go against the grain of what everybody else thinks, and so I've been a silent reader to the general view that Rithisha is being treated unfairly. Now, though, I've finally decided to say that I really do not think that this is the case. This may be a reality show - that too a GS reality show, full of (arguably) scripted drama in order to increase TRPs - but the judges are renowned in the field of Bollywood music in their own right, and would never deliberately bash a good contestant because of their preference for another. Judges are human and make mistakes just like the rest of us. but if Rithisha is getting bad/OK comments every week for what most people here seem to deem as excellent/great singing on her part, it cannot be due to consistently unfair judgement or some strategy on behalf of GS. Why would GS want a contestant whose singing so many people clearly love out of the show? Why would he want to anger so many of his viewers and turn them off his program by making the judges give Rithisha bad comments every week? It clearly doesn't make any sense. Logically, there must be something in her singing which needs improvement, and if she improves it, it will shield her from all censure.

In my opinion, every contestant in this show has some serious singing flaws which none of them have managed to fully conquer up until now. Taking the example of the top 5: Saptaparna has breath control issues, Ravi tends to slip every now and then into his old "chick" voice and sometimes takes some rather annoying styles, Vipul just doesn't lift his songs or give them the X-factor they require, and Rohit's surs are awful. Rithisha, classically-trained and experienced though she may be, also has a flaw which she has been unable to rectify, probably partly due to the fact that the judges, despite saying this that (vaguely) make sense, fail to hit the nail on the head about what exactly is "missing" in her singing. Her surs are generally correct, and she has taken some wonderful turnings in many songs, but the reason, according to me, for her less-than-great marks, is the lack of feel in her singing. She doesn't lose herself in the songs she sings - she sings them like she is a spectator or a bystander to the emotions they convey. And this is the reason why Ismail Darbar keeps on telling her, "Tum ne sirf gaaya" and the like. I don't blame Rithisha for her lack of improvement in this area; the judges are partly to blame for not being clear about what they want in her singing. The poor girl, having been singing for so many years, must be terribly confused and hurt by their attitude towards her, and my heart goes out to her for that. I wish the judges, or the vocal coaches, or whoever helps train the contestants, would put her out of her bewilderment and misery by explaining to her the great need for her to emote her songs effectively in order to truly connect to the hearts of the audience and the judges. If she just did that, I would have no complaints whatsoever about her singing, and might even start rooting for her to win the show along with most other people here.

I do not pretend to be any kind of expert about music with these comments. I am merely expressing an opinion shared by both me and my parents. My dad did some years of classical training in his youth, and was insisting for several weeks after the show started that Rithisha was the clear winner (my mum and I were at the time rooting for Vipul; now we're pretty neutral). However, as the show progressed, my dad began expressing disillusionment about Rithisha's singing, remarking that, "She's OK... but there's something missing." My mum and I agreed with this. Surely all three of us cannot be mad to be feeling this way. And it's clear that our opinion of Rithisha's singing is shared by the judges. Therefore I believe that it isn't right, just because you disagree with the judges' remarks, to accuse the judges and the makers of the show of "harassment". Instead of bashing the judges, I wish the members here would make comments encouraging Rithisha to practice hard and go from strength to strength, so that even if there were still people who disliked her as a singer (no singer - not even Sonu! - is liked by EVERYBODY, after all), nobody in the world could validly accuse her of bad or mediocre singing. I would love to hear Rithisha genuinely sing so well that Ismail Darbar is forced to tell her, "Tum chhaa gaye ho". I have faith that she has this level of talent in her, and it would be a triumph for her to win the judges' support week after week purely through excellent singing.

I am sorry if I have hurt you, Sunil Ji, or hurt any other forum members who are reading this, with my comments. I just felt compelled to express my opinion, and hope that you will give it due respect.

~Nazneen~

~Nazneen~

i respect ur view.... i totally agree wid ur point...but she is not that much bad comopared to other singers who were in top position now.... she sung really well in first few episode i agree.. but now she got stage fear and who induced it???.. its non other than our great judges.. instead of pointing out her mistakes every week.. they saying some thing nonsence not related to her singing....bcz of some thing else.. she just 17 years yar.. how can she tolerate al this nonsence...and i didnt noticed any single bad comment on roshni y???

she cant sing 3 minute song in single take while shooting how can indian people expect sapthaparna as VOI-2.. am not againest bout any contender... but these judges hurting innocent hearts by their harsh comment...(especially rithisha ) thats all i can say friend.........

take care.

@ SiriuslySujal

Real long posts!! 😊 Here's my response. The reasons why I (and most of us here) support Rithisha:

1. For sometime, just forget about the present performances of the contestants. Just consider the overall talent of each of them that we have understood by all their performances till now. Rithisha is the most talented and capable there (I think you'll agree with me here).

2. Now considering their current performances, I agree Rithisha is not living upto her previous performances, but since this is a contest, she needs to perform better than the others, and that she definitely is. Her performances these days are still better than everybody else there.

3. Now Rithisha's mistake is that she's not putting feel into her songs. To be able to do this, she needs to completely involve herself in her song, and forget the entire world around her. When there are 3 tigers sitting out there waiting to pounce on her with their meaningless, biased remarks, HOW will she able to loose herself in her song?? How can she sing with all the feeling in the song, when she knows that she is going to get bad comments even though she sings well??

4. Rithisha is still singing much better than others. The lack of josh or feeling were just in 2-3 of her performances. But Ismail Darbar and Sukhi gave her bad comments even though she was better than others. Here guruji Monty is too good to oppose the other 2. Even though he doesn't discourage her, he does not protect her from the other 2.

5. Ismail Darbar is made to treat Rithisha like this deliberately. You know why? Because Gajji knows that we all love Rithisha and she is the best there. By getting Ismail to ill-treat her like this, he is evoking the public's emotion. People will obviously feel bad for the injustice she is going through and vote for her. And when people vote for her, Gajji makes money! This is their dirty game. In between all this, Rithisha is losing out. Thats why I think harrasment is the right word here.

She is purely talented and probably came here thinking people will value her singing. But now we all know that the code here is just to make money. I am sure she'll be feeling ye kahan aake phas gayi!!

Rithisha is definitely better than the besura clown Ravi. Rithisha is definitely better than the over-hyped Ismail's Roshni who cant sing a single line of a song without losing her breath, has a nasal voice, cant sing low notes properly, has an unstable voice. Vipul is a good competitor to Rithisha. So I think Saptaparna and Ravi should be eliminated.

Mine turned out to be a long post too! 😆

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

Ismail pagal ho chuka hai , frustrated loser.

😆

Nazneen your posts are wonderful! 👏 I agree and completely understand where your coming from. I'm not necessarily an ardent fan of VOI and haven't been following it completely as in PY (mostly b/c the singers this year were horrible.)

After along time there has been a real discussion about any contestant. People have given their views about the participants and the judges and the reason for the judges' comments which are not justified. Now of the four remaining contestants the only one who deserves to win this is Ritisha. Sapthparna clearly found her way out of this show by her poor performance and Ravi is totally dependant of the blessings and votes. Vipul has a good voice but not upto the mark. Yes Ritisha, if at all has performed bad(because by now she is aware of the judges bias) still is far much better that Vipul. All the discussion about the criticism will calm down when she emerges as the Voice of India II.

i agree , id is toooooooooo partial. saptaparna doesnt know where to take breath , she sings as if she has some breathing problem . every few sec it seems from mike some breath sound comes . id is such a grat composer , how comehe did not realise such a great mistake . just observe her carefully u can make out .

I dont think Ritisha was harrassed at all. I saw the episode and I thought she sang beautifully and Ismail was harsh but he certainly was not harassing her.

Originally posted by: docnalini

i agree , id is toooooooooo partial. saptaparna doesnt know where to take breath , she sings as if she has some breathing problem . every few sec it seems from mike some breath sound comes . id is such a grat composer , how comehe did not realise such a great mistake . just observe her carefully u can make out .

I completely agree with you. Moreover, did anybody notice that they did not show the studio audience poll result for Saptaparna's 2nd song in Saturday's episode??!!?😲😲 She stopped singing abruptly, so probably she did not even get 20% votes!! They cut the audience poll part so cleverly. It just shows clear partiality towards Saptaparna.😡