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Posted: 15 years ago
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You know, there are really mums like Manju around. My aunt is a good example, she disowned her son when he married out of caste even though it was plain to everyone he was happy. It's been 20 years, he is still happily married with kids, but while they have reconciled she still bears him a grudge.
I think it's more than fear of what the 'biradiri' would say, its also about parental ego. Traditional and controlling parents feel they know best what's good for their kids and can't take it when their kids go against them. They see it as a slight to all their efforts in bringing up the child. So Manju's insane reaction now stems not from fear of society (what''s to fear anymore after all the dirty linen has already been washed on the mandap), but from a blow to her parental ego.
This is where the "doodh ka karz" and "meri hi parvarish mein khot hogi" and stuff like that come from!
Unfortunately people like Simi can't understand this and think their parent has been emotionally hurt and carry the guilt for that. In fact maturity is when we begin to see our parents as human beings not Gods, who cannot be always right and will have some shortcomings. Abhi already does that, while he respects his parents he feels free to disagree with them and acknowledges their faults, without ridiculing or forsaking them. This is a true sign of coming of age, which Simi clearly hasn't.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bana

You know, there are really mums like Manju around. My aunt is a good example, she disowned her son when he married out of caste even though it was plain to everyone he was happy. It's been 20 years, he is still happily married with kids, but while they have reconciled she still bears him a grudge.

I think it's more than fear of what the 'biradiri' would say, its also about parental ego. Traditional and controlling parents feel they know best what's good for their kids and can't take it when their kids go against them. They see it as a slight to all their efforts in bringing up the child. So Manju's insane reaction now stems not from fear of society (what''s to fear anymore after all the dirty linen has already been washed on the mandap), but from a blow to her parental ego.
This is where the "doodh ka karz" and "meri hi parvarish mein khot hogi" and stuff like that come from!
Unfortunately people like Simi can't understand this and think their parent has been emotionally hurt and carry the guilt for that. In fact maturity is when we begin to see our parents as human beings not Gods, who cannot be always right and will have some shortcomings. Abhi already does that, while he respects his parents he feels free to disagree with them and acknowledges their faults, without ridiculing or forsaking them. This is a true sign of coming of age, which Simi clearly hasn't.

Bana, What a well written post!!! All too often, in our culture, when children disagree with their parents, it is viewed as being disrespectful. Parents reinforce this behavior and tragically children who do not know any better follow. If you recollect when Abhi overheard Simi's mother taunting her and pressuring her to get married, he questioned her mother's actions. Simi defended them even though we (at least I did) know that Abhi was right.
Many people don't like Manju, but while Manju is a very aggressive and bullying mother, Simi has reached an age where it should dawn on her that something is not right. Her demand to seek her mother's approval has driven her to agree to sleep with men she does not like and give up a man who loves her. Until she wakes up and confronts her mother for this, Simi will continue to mistreat Abhi and allow herself to be degraded.
In life you may never get a parents approval, so how far will go for it? I don't like to share personal things here, but to this date, I have NEVER had my father's approval in anything I have done. In my younger days I worked hard for it, but then, one day I woke up (and please note, I had no Abhi in my life), I was like screw it and lived life for myself. Of course my father found me the most disrespectful person on God's green earth. Nevertheless my mother was very proud of me. Unlike Simi, I would never agree to marry someone I didn't want too and would have been willing to endure anything not too. I think after reading this now most people will understand why I have very little respect for a character like Simi Seethi and understand the depth of parental ego.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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If someone has parents like Manju, off-course you should get out of the relation. But problem in India could be much different. Usually a person will be out-casted from the society for doing this.
This is one of the reason I really appreciated Zee TV showing a Manju's character like this and let the society see how dangerous a mother could be.
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Originally posted by: Manik_mia

If someone has parents like Manju, off-course you should get out of the relation. But problem in India could be much different. Usually a person will be out-casted from the society for doing this.
This is one of the reason I really appreciated Zee TV showing a Manju's character like this and let the society see how dangerous a mother could be.

While Zeetv might be right in showing a mother like Manju, they are not right by failing to show a passive daughter who is willing to give into her mother time and time again. Eventually this behavior of Simi's will get boring. Moreover, if they continue to show what Simi is doing as something that a daughter should do even if she has a bad mother that is wrong. And what is even worse is the belief that if she remains a good daughter and never takes a stand Manju will come around. It has been 30 years, Simi has agreed to two marriages and Manju now wants to disown her own daughter? What does that tell you?
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<font color="#660066">While Zeetv might be right in showing a mother like Manju, they are not right by failing to show a passive daughter who is willing to give into her mother time and time again. Eventually this behavior of Simi's will get boring. Moreover, if they continue to showwhat Simi is doing assomething that a daughter should do even if she has abad mother that iswrong. And what is even worseis the belief that if she remains a good daughter and never takes a stand Manju will come around. Ithas been 30 years, Simi has agreed to two marriages and Manju now wantsto disown her own daughter? What does that tell you? </font>


Yes, also know that, this means 30 years of brain-washing. In one side she prays to matarani and otherside she was being Hilter to the girls.
I bet when Simi will have daughters, she will do the same like Manju. This is the effect of the 30 years brain-washing.

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Yes, also know that, this means 30 years of brain-washing. In one side she prays to matarani and otherside she was being Hilter to the girls.
I bet when Simi will have daughters, she will do the same like Manju. This is the effect of the 30 years brain-washing.

And this means what? Even if Simi's self-worth was lost, then she got someone to help her and what did she do to that person? She spat in his face. Her life of misery with Manju is no excuse for hurting, demeaning and devaluing someone else. The fact that she has Abhi stand by her really stuns me. No guy does that and most of all a 22 year old guy with life going for him and that too for her girl who is supposed to be overweight, unattractive and 30 years old. I might as well believe in elves and fairies if you're asking me to buy the Simi-Abhi love astory.
My sympathy for Simi disappeared 3-4 months ago because she stopped acting like a girl who had it bad but instead an ungrateful and heartless woman.

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This means, when Simmi was born and started leaning how to speak, how to walk, etc, in every step the mother was telling the daughter what is right and what is wrong. So her brain is already filled with few things like "respect me all the time, even I am wrong".
In USA I have seen children are allowed to speak up if parents are wrong. But in India it is dis-respectful. Because children are taught that way by parents as well as in school.
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Originally posted by: Manik_mia

This means, when Simmi was born and started leaning how to speak, how to walk, etc, in every step the mother was telling the daughter what is right and what is wrong. So her brain is already filled with few things like "respect me all the time, even I am wrong".
In USA I have seen children are allowed to speak up if parents are wrong. But in India it is dis-respectful. Because children are taught that way by parents as well as in school.

In India are you also taught that if someone helps you, especially the man who loves you, you don't stand by his side? In India is it also taught that when you make a commitment to someone to marry them, get engaged and take saat phere in front of Matarani that you can still go and marry someone else? In India is it also taught that when a guy fights to uphold his commitment that you stand there and watch him get beaten up? In India is it also taught to marry men and sleep with them especially when you don't love them? If these things are taught, then do you think it is right or do you think there is a problem? And if you think there is a problem, don't you think it is the job of an educational medium as television to try to work at the betterment towards society?
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Originally posted by: Laila2009


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All these you mentioned are so right; but they become secondary to "respect your parents".
Otherwise can you remember the last scene how Simi was still trying to please Manju. As if nothing matters to Simi, her brain is programmed to make her parents happy.
Zee TV is showing this so that people watching this can learn something out of this.

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