Everything about ZND..About the Decison..Abt Truth

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Posted: 16 years ago
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I just wanted to say that when in the beginning i had seen the show i disliked the idea of such a show...I really dint get the meaning of the show...Girls are better or Boys are better...Is tht a show..??Is tht that just dance can tell tht who is better than whom...Or is it tht a handfull of people who are even not the best in the field can come and fight for such a title...I knew tht this was going to happen from the beggining...

I had always thought from the beggining that the judges were biased...And that is why as day on passed i lost intrest in show...I mean how can one female and one so called men judge (I really dont get whether a man or a .......Look how he walks and talks..I mean i just can say eh...its terrible...)

I am a staunt believer that girls are not bad at anything....But i always object to a person saying that girls are better or boys are better...No person in the world is eligible to talk on such a thing...If anyone was better than why would God Make both the gender...If boys were best he would have made only boys and if girls were best he could have made only girls...But he dint did so..Infact he made a third category also...Both...

I think almost all should aggree on all tht i have said till now...If u arent biased u would agree..


Now on the judgement...

I used to respect Saroj Khan till the Finale of ZND...But when i say the episod all my respect went to the nadir....I mean bellow earth somewhere...I mean i used to respect her like anything as she was so perfect in her work...I had seen her in many shows...Saying that boys have performed well..Though they were good but i am saying this that hey were not as good as bakhtiyaar..And than when it came to ZND i saw her commenting bad about bakhtiyaar....She was removing all her frustration and i agree to that fact...

I also agree to the fact that boys had bad strategy....But Same time all of u should agree that bakhtiyaar is worth the whole lot of 900 points also...I really dint expect him to loose...The Judgement was insane....

I aggree to the fact that just as boys team had four good dancers...Girls team also had,,,But out of al equall level dancer only one person stood out...Tht was Bakhtiyaar...He is exceptional...And i would say he is Born Talent....He could not have lost....

At last i agree to the fact that what they did in the last was not the best they could have done but the fact that though they represent the Boys as a whole..They still are humans any person who get so much to listen and see will loose hope, motivation and temper...And i would not mistake to say that Self Esteem Is Ego...And Confidence on talent is over confidence....Any person should have such thing in life in which he can think that in this one thing no one can defeat me...

I think girls even you would agree that would u not like to have ont thing in life in which none can win over u..??I guess u are answer will be yes.....And if yes...If u have it would u not boast on it..??Would u keep it hidden..???

Above all i feel that the walkout was emminent and i dont feel that they dis repected the judge...They could have replied the judges in the same tone in which judges were saying, but the boys dint used the same tone instead they stay quite and i Respect them all for that as i never expected them to behave in such a decent way even me who was watching was frustrated to the core..And they who were facing were so much in control....

And about the last dance they did which many of my friends here are saying were insane...I would ask one simple question...Without motivation can any damn person on this earth do anything..??No one can ..,,Even our father who go for earning to the work daily do so because he has a motivation that is his family...If he does not have the family will he really fell like working..??

I salute all of the Men who were participating in the SHOW of ZND...And i mean it i am not ashamed am proud of them,,,I support them...hey very well handled the situation by not insulting the judges as well as they kept there self respect also..

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Posted: 16 years ago
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All i can say is pride comes before a fall......and this pride of Bakhtiyaar made the whole boys team fall.......but i do agree that he danced better than karishma.......the whole judging was biased but i dont think this show was about who's better boys or gurls......it was about who's DANCING was better boys or gurls......and in that case i think no decision can be taken bcoz well both were extraordinary!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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uhhhhhhhhhh show over
let those ppl celebrate hu are happy and are proud to be girls
y the hell are ppl talking abt it whn there is no point in it
u cant change anything now
the judges r judges and muj more senior than us i dnt think all of us can question the judges
its their choice and they must have made the decision jus cuz they felt girls were better
not necessary bakhtyaar has to be gud everytime
the only thing he does is BREAK DANCE and so many of his steps are repeated and ofcourse the boys did use strategies by sending bakhtyaar in almost all the rounds wht do they think he has to win all the time
in this case u r biased towards bakhtyaar no doubt he is a gud dancer but omg his ego problems
and the disrespect the boys showed to the judges was really bad
i dnt think if girls had lost they wuld have walked out they wuld hv gracefully accepted defeat
but boys behaviour was cheap
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Posted: 16 years ago
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The judgements in ZND have been skewed and inconsistent since about a month or more now....I thought the finale was the last straw. I am still unable to understand by what yardstick the judges were judging those performances cuz barring the shadow dance round, every other judgement was just wrong....JBJ I guess much can't be said cuz the boys didn't dance anyways....but Bakhtiyar deserved to win both Tashan and face-off....and if they judges were honest with themselves, they would admit that.

It is because of the walkout in the end that the views become murky....I can understand the viewpoint that the boys had had it by then and wanted to take a stand against the judgement and didn't feel there was any point to any performance anymore when their work was obviously being judged incompetently....but I can also understand the viewpoint that a walkout can never be viewed in a positive light...cuz regardless, it will leave a bad taste in the mouth as it disrespects everyone from the girls team, the judges and ultimately the boys themselves.

Overall, it's just a very unfortunate turn of events that happened in the end.
Edited by nureat01 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: nandan_maru

I just wanted to say that when in the beginning i had seen the show i disliked the idea of such a show...I really dint get the meaning of the show...Girls are better or Boys are better...Is tht a show..??Is tht that just dance can tell tht who is better than whom...Or is it tht a handfull of people who are even not the best in the field can come and fight for such a title...I knew tht this was going to happen from the beggining...



Exactly. To begin with, the concept is shady. As much as I love it, the bottom line is that the question of "Boys vs. Girls" will always bring accusations of bias in the end. During the competition it was all merry, because everything was done in good spirit, but when the time for results came around, problems were bound to arise. Arguments based on gender are used to explain whatever happened, and IMO, that is just beating a dead horse.

As for Saroj Khan, I respect all her work and accomplishment, but have never favoured her way of expression on performances, be it on NB or in the ZND finale.

[quote=Anu]Overall, it's just a very unfortunate turn of events that happened in the end.


Indeed. I doubt anyone wanted it to end like this, but you can't turn back and change what has already happened.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@Fatty: Did you finally watch ALL the epis then???😉😆😆

Yes, the concept of course is one that's bound to raise questions of 'bias' and whatnot....but I felt that if dealt with in a better manner *cough* judgement *cough*....it wouldn't have been as much of an issue....cuz the boys vs. girls debate can never really be settled in actuality....it's been going on since the beginning of time....Bakhtiyar should have been awarded the rounds he deserved to win and THEN the girls could have taken home the trophy....no questions asked.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I have been reading your replies in almost all the threads...so thought of answering them back all together over here... my replies are in red

Originally posted by: nandan_maru

I just wanted to say that when in the beginning i had seen the show i disliked the idea of such a show...I really dint get the meaning of the show...Girls are better or Boys are better...Is tht a show..??Is tht that just dance can tell tht who is better than whom...Or is it tht a handfull of people who are even not the best in the field can come and fight for such a title...I knew tht this was going to happen from the beggining... no it is just a game which was meant to be for fun.. boys vs girls are always entertaining...so they just tried it on a reality show..

I had always thought from the beggining that the judges were biased...And that is why as day on passed i lost intrest in show...I mean how can one female and one so called men judge (I really dont get whether a man or a .......Look how he walks and talks..I mean i just can say eh...its terrible...) well, that is your opinion.. I never liked the judges either..but I dont think only they were judging over there.. I have seen them watching the performances in the monitor room with other production team members..so obviously, it will be a collective opinion

I am a staunt believer that girls are not bad at anything....But i always object to a person saying that girls are better or boys are better...No person in the world is eligible to talk on such a thing...If anyone was better than why would God Make both the gender...If boys were best he would have made only boys and if girls were best he could have made only girls...But he dint did so..Infact he made a third category also...Both... yupp!!! I agree but this is not a supreme court decision...

I think almost all should aggree on all tht i have said till now...If u arent biased u would agree..


Now on the judgement...

I used to respect Saroj Khan till the Finale of ZND...But when i say the episod all my respect went to the nadir....I mean bellow earth somewhere...I mean i used to respect her like anything as she was so perfect in her work...I had seen her in many shows...Saying that boys have performed well..Though they were good but i am saying this that hey were not as good as bakhtiyaar..And than when it came to ZND i saw her commenting bad about bakhtiyaar....She was removing all her frustration and i agree to that fact... you know there have been many articles and reports saying that it was Bhaktiyar who insulted Saroj in the first place... that part was edited for some reason...
It sounds logical too becoz, it was the very same Saroj khan who said in the beginning that Bhaktiyar was worth more than 300 points...
I think Bhaktiyar was all messed up with his family issues and chaitanya's health and thats y took out his frustration on the judges... now, he is left with no choice but to defend his behavior

I also agree to the fact that boys had bad strategy....But Same time all of u should agree that bakhtiyaar is worth the whole lot of 900 points also...I really dint expect him to loose...The Judgement was insane.... Again, that is purely your opinion... see, if they had bet carefully in the face off round then they could have bet all their points in the last round and won.. becoz guys were always better in group dance... Ali knew that Bhaktiyar was already tired with the two rounds and Ashita was very fresh... besides, Bhaktiyar is not god...anything could have happened there.. It was really stupid of ali to bet 250 for face off..

I aggree to the fact that just as boys team had four good dancers...Girls team also had,,,But out of al equall level dancer only one person stood out...Tht was Bakhtiyaar...He is exceptional...And i would say he is Born Talent....He could not have lost.... see, If you think boys were so good..then what was Bhaktiyar doing in all the 4 rounds??.. Amit and Ali were fit and fine.. why didn't they come up on stage even for once until the last round.. Amit at least did the hum tum round..but what about ali???.. they could have shared the work properly instead of leaving the entire burden on Bhaktiyar...

At last i agree to the fact that what they did in the last was not the best they could have done but the fact that though they represent the Boys as a whole..They still are humans any person who get so much to listen and see will loose hope, motivation and temper...And i would not mistake to say that Self Esteem Is Ego...And Confidence on talent is over confidence....Any person should have such thing in life in which he can think that in this one thing no one can defeat me... They got to listen all those things after they did that so called revolt... what did you expect the judges to do?.. pat their backs and say "good job guys that was very sportive"????

I think girls even you would agree that would u not like to have ont thing in life in which none can win over u..??I guess u are answer will be yes.....And if yes...If u have it would u not boast on it..??Would u keep it hidden..??? no!!! nothing... see, every boy or a girl would like to excel in their area of expertise.. but if I cannot take my failure, then I can never come up in life... that is life my friend, you cannot say the world will stop when I stop.... If Bhaktiyar had accepted the judgment with dignity, he would have earned the respect from every boy and girl... everybody felt bad for him somewhere in the corner..but he lost all the respect by the end of the show just becoz of his behavior...

Above all i feel that the walkout was emminent and i dont feel that they dis repected the judge...They could have replied the judges in the same tone in which judges were saying, but the boys dint used the same tone instead they stay quite and i Respect them all for that as i never expected them to behave in such a decent way even me who was watching was frustrated to the core..And they who were facing were so much in control.... I wouldn't have cared if they had disrespected only the judges.. they disrespected all their fans who were sitting in the studio and in front of TV leaving all their work behind just to cheer them... I am sure everybody was looking forward for their group act..if not for the judges, at least they could have danced for the audience who had been waiting for that moment since 3 months...

And about the last dance they did which many of my friends here are saying were insane...I would ask one simple question...Without motivation can any damn person on this earth do anything..??No one can ..,,Even our father who go for earning to the work daily do so because he has a motivation that is his family...If he does not have the family will he really fell like working..?? First of all, no body had asked them to bet 250 points.. and second...there is lot more than prize and winning in a game... whatever you do, do it for your satisfaction not for the end result.... now, since you have been asking so many questions to us..let me ask u one thing... lets switch the situation for the time being.. If boys had one in the same way girls did ( altough, I strorngly believe that girls won it fair and square) would they have behaved the same way as boys did????... I cant even imagine girls doing it.....

I salute all of the Men who were participating in the SHOW of ZND...And i mean it i am not ashamed am proud of them,,,I support them...hey very well handled the situation by not insulting the judges as well as they kept there self respect also.. you are entitled to your opinion.. I cannot say much about that..



I am sorry if any of my words have hurt ur feelings
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Posted: 16 years ago
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i really feel that the boys were given the worst end of every comment. yes, the girls were exceptional. esp. mouni and narayani. but other than that, bhaktiyaar danced his ass off. he took the responsibility of memorizing dancing steps to 3 songs and did them brilliantly...yet the judges ruled for the gals?!?!? karishma tanna did not deserve the tashan round.

the judges were ridiculous~!!! 😡

Malaika & Chunky should admit that it was a very wrong decision in the tashan round. Even a small kid would tell you that bhaktiyar was the clear winner, but you guys don't like his confidence as malaika said 'I'm the best' so just to bring him down as the boys would definitely bet high on such a performance, they gave it to karishma. At that time itself they boys should hv revolted, but they kept quite. As for chunky he always favours the girls. Girls are winners, but also gv d boys they due. 👎🏼
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Hi everyone,
I am not a very active member of the forum, but I watched ZND very closely. I am a girl and I wanted girls to win the title very badly. But I am not happy with the results. Boys were given wrong judgements in the show lot of times. I heard Malaika saying that Bakhtiar is short temperd but who's not? What about her? She made Jennifer cry in grand finale with her rude comment. She was rude lot of times and she tried to leave the show in grand finale. She commented about Indian men to have an attitude. What is her problem? If she can't control her anger, then she has no right to comment bad on others. I liked her a lot, but not any more.
First of all I didn't like the concept of the show at all. It would have been better if they had mixed boys and girls in both teams. I don't know why they made the show, the war of sexes. How can they assume that one sex is better than the other by comparing only these eight boys and girls. And some of these were not even trained dancers. They learned dance during the show.
The judges and the hosts always kept on stressing which sex is better than the other. Which round was always better all the times, Hum Tum, right? So, girls and boys perform better or look better when they dance together, rather than performing seperate. Girls have different steps than the boys, and we can not compare those steps when they perform seperate.
Malaika always kept on saying that girls are very graceful, I agree because girls used lot of classical in their dances. Girls have more elasticity compared to boys, ofcourse girls look better when you watch them performing. But they should not have judged boys and girls on the bases of their gracefulness, but on the bases of their performance in the whole act. I am a trained dancer, and I know how different it is when you watch a boy and a girl performing on a stage.
Sorry girls, I am not against the decision of the judges, but the judges were not honest in their judgement. I think the judgement was more of sexes rather than of dances. Malaika was pro girls from the beginning. She insulted boys with words lot of times. Chunky's decision was always hidden behind Malaika's.
I grew up in US and I have watched so many shows here since my childhood and you know what, It would have been worst than what happened in ZND if it had happened here.
I am sorry, if I have hurt anyone, but Malaika and Chunky do not deserve to be judges on any dance show.
Edited by attitude03 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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look bakhtiyar is a great dancer okau but that doesnt mean that every dance he will do is better than everyone..and as far as motivation, u should never look for a judge to motivate you.. imean hello.. JUDGES??t they are suppose to criticize you..

theyre walkout was emminent..i agree with u but not the first one.. and i dont respect the boys for not yelling back.. they should have. i was so mad at them!! god.. fite 4 ur riteesss !!!!god!!

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