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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: Aeryn

An OK episode.

Liked Mihir/Shagun scene. There's definitely more than meet the eyes. I find their relation very intriguing and I am always eager to know more of their backstory.

Liked Mrs Iyers. True to her character. Here she thought practically and very realistically. No over the top dialogue and good acting.

I am surprised at Ashok. When he told Ishita about Shagun, I thought he had a plan B ready as this act of his defied his goal of keeping his girlfriend with him but there it seems there's no plan at all...😕

However he is, I felt pity for Adi tonight as the child is really concerned for his mom but here mom isn't ready to put aside her ego just so she can settle a score with her ex husband's wife. How pathetic and disgusting is that...

Today my feelings are that Ishita's all actions stem from her insecurity, her hurt that pati seemingly chose his first wife and may never love her back.

In apology-scene, 2 facts:

- when param was thought to be Amma's accident culprit, Ishita was all set to drop the case and NOT give her mother justice just for Simmi and toshi's sake. Then she didn't make a fuss and ask for an apologize. (And he was the guy was tried to rape her!) Why the different treatment for Shagun?

- if it was really to give justice to Amma, the possibility of dropping the case would have never cropped up in the first place. She wouldn't sway and adapt her tactics according to the culprit.

In short her actions (past & present) don't go in par with her words so I am not buying the "Amma ki liye".

Then her "I have seen pyaar in Raman's eyes for Shagun" is again an indicator of her vulnerability. She is blinded by insecurity. She has taken Raman giving saath to Shagun as love - when in reality each time she saw them together, there were never romantic gestures but only polite behaviour, frowns or shouting. Her insecurity doesn't let her consider the hatred she saw in his eyes and actions for Shagun more than enough time since she knows him nor the hurt and shame he had for hurting her (Ishita) which was clear in his drunken outburst more recently.

Overall I am still more than miffed with CVs for purposely toying with characterizations (Ishita's, Mihir's, Bhallas') by avoiding addressing this simple fact: whether Shagun or Adi is the culprit, dragging the matter to court will inevitably have huge consequences on Adi's future!

I don't understand why CVs are hell bent on court drama as it is a veritable mess which doesn't seem well thought out at all.

Hope it will get over soon.


So what if she feels insecurity(i highly doubt that),cant she get that feeling.Any woman in her place bound to react that way.For the hell sake she has told that she has changed and gave freedom and encouraged raman to mend his ways with shagun.
She is not a rock to not feel any emotions,if only raman could understand this things would have been different.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52
@charminggenie -
Yes you are right. Exactly my point. It was Raman who was adamant on finding culprit. This fight for justice has never been Ishita's own conviction. As it involves her mother she just gave saath to Raman. If this fight for truth was her conviction then she wouldn't have propose to let the case drop today! Even today she was ready to let it go!! I am not imagining here, it is what is shown in the show. So my interpretation that all this is NOT done for justice is still very much valid.

Ishita has never been shown petty, vindictive before and I liked her better that way. She has reasons to be less than amiable with Shagun. Never have I said that her insecurity isn't valid, it's human to feel insecure in certain circumstances...I just said that it is clouding her judgement. Bas.

My main problem here is that Ishita (in fact not just her as I have stated in my previous post) in her hate for Shagun isn't doing the simple math that if mom is in jail then considering Adi's complex situation, his future will be at stake. If Shagun is jailed that does not mean Raman will automatically (if ever) have the custody as he has been found guilty of child abuse. No court will overlook that. I don't see what is in there that needs spelling out 😕 It is simple mathematics. I am disappointed as the Ishita I knew would have never toyed with/put at stake a child's future in order to put Shagun in her place.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53
How is she supposed to read adis fears and horrors and the fact he can't live without his mom,has raman ever mentioned that?did raman thought about ananya future when he kept param behind the bars?
After learning shagun is the culprit what did you expect from her,oh it's adis mom so let's leave the case 😕 is this what every victim thinks before filing case against culprits?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

For courts to consider the Ruhi case , lot of time will be spent .


Regarding the premise that as parents do not want bratty kids in juvenile delinquent company should their kids go scot free ...they r sad sad helpless cases . No parent must face this but these homes teach pickpocketing , drugs , homosexuality , no jokes ...all who say he deserves to be there , to each their own .

Aeryn fab post . Agree with all , especially the ever changing Amma ke liye scene .😆 Infact i want Amma to take over , firmly tell Ishita to butt out and make her own decisions ...dismiss the case and move on .



Thanks Kools.

Agree. It is really choosing the less of two evils here. Adi needs more reforming than punishment is my opinion. Prison and the likes are not there to change a person (his mindset, his nature, etc. ...), they only give clinical punishment.

Who knows? Maybe Raman's plan is to take advantage of Adis promise to be more civil with him to slowly get close to his son and slowly change his perception of life in the meanwhile😕 Lets wait and see...

I too would like Amma to take charge here but if so CVs would be deprived of their beloved court drama...can't have that now, can we? 😆😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aeryn

@charminggenie -

Yes you are right. Exactly my point. It was Raman who was adamant on finding culprit. This fight for justice has never been Ishita's own conviction. As it involves her mother she just gave saath to Raman. If this fight for truth was her conviction then she wouldn't have propose to let the case drop today! Even today she was ready to let it go!! I am not imagining here, it is what is shown in the show. So my interpretation that all this is NOT done for justice is still very much valid.

Ishita has never been shown petty, vindictive before and I liked her better that way. She has reasons to be less than amiable with Shagun. Never have I said that her insecurity isn't valid, it's human to feel insecure in certain circumstances...I just said that it is clouding her judgement. Bas.

My main problem here is that Ishita (in fact not just her as I have stated in my previous post) in her hate for Shagun isn't doing the simple math that if mom is in jail then considering Adi's complex situation, his future will be at stake. If Shagun is jailed that does not mean Raman will automatically (if ever) have the custody as he has been found guilty of child abuse. No court will overlook that. I don't see what is in there that needs spelling out 😕 It is simple mathematics. I am disappointed as the Ishita I knew would have never toyed with/put at stake a child's future in order to put Shagun in her place.


That is my exact problem with this track. it has now become clear that the characters stopped acting according to their original characterizations, and that CV's are pulling their strings in order to suit their needs. since when did YHM become so TRP hungry? it was doing fine before but thanks to this never ending track, the ratings are slipping now. it's not even the nature of the plot, the issue is, we have been watching this track for two months. it would have been better if they gave it a clean finish by ishita finding out it ws adi and taking back the case. however, CV's are adamant on a cliched court room drama, they are unnecessarily dragging it. it's not even worth it anymore.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great post and all the comments that followed. Agree with most of them and will give my two cents.

1. The CVs have somewhere lost the plot. After giving us the bench scene and making us hope for some form of understanding between the two protagonists not so long ago, they give us this track. Where the first instant that Raman faces a situation that needs to be shared with Ishita he chooses to stay mum. And he obviously decided to do that for the drama to unfold, with Shagun manipulating him and the situation to her advantage. Where this will lead, we'll have to wait and watch. But its going to be ugly for Ishita as hinted in the latest on location videos. So what was the sense of showing us the bench scene before all this drama? Where Raman clearly does not trust his wife, no matter what she does and has done for his family.

2. Ishita wanted to take the case back, whether it be Param or now Shagun, only because of the family discord that it was creating. In Param's case it was for Toshiji and Simi and here it's for Raman because she knows that the whole family will stand against him if he supports Shagun. And also she probably wanted to suss how far would Shagun go, if given a choice will she just end everything with a simple apology or go all the way and torture and manipulate Raman in the process.

3. Raman, I fail to understand! With his stance how is he proving to be a loving father? I also am against sending Adi to delinquent rehab but at least teaching him to own up his mistake and apologize is something Raman should have opted for. What message are the creatives trying to send across? A mother pampers her son with money and the father not only stands by him in a crime but also goes ahead destroying evidence. And the excuse is that all is being done by a father for a child!!! The CVs could have handled this a bit more sensibly.

And this track has been going on for too long now! Had enough of it. Time to move on and end it.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I also am against sending Adi to delinquent rehab but at least teaching him to own up his mistake and apologize is something Raman should have opted for.

The boy is too far gone dear . He won't listen to a thing he says , as i see it he did not waste time . Not with Shagun not with him . Now before the cancer spreads if somehow Adi comes to live with Ishita , in that normal atmosphere , yes , he can still be saved .
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Posted: 11 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: Aeryn

@charminggenie -


Ishita has never been shown petty, vindictive before and I liked her better that way. She has reasons to be less than amiable with Shagun. Never have I said that her insecurity isn't valid, it's human to feel insecure in certain circumstances...I just said that it is clouding her judgement. Bas.

If I go my the time-frame of the big reveal right, I would personally give her a pass considering the build up . Even if its a error in her judgement then she is within her human capacity to do so. After all we don't want her Mahaanta here, do we?

My main problem here is that Ishita (in fact not just her as I have stated in my previous post) in her hate for Shagun isn't doing the simple math that if mom is in jail then considering Adi's complex situation, his future will be at stake. If Shagun is jailed that does not mean Raman will automatically (if ever) have the custody as he has been found guilty of child abuse. No court will overlook that. I don't see what is in there that needs spelling out 😕 It is simple mathematics. I am disappointed as the Ishita I knew would have never toyed with/put at stake a child's future in order to put Shagun in her place.

Well here is my argument about this - Shagun-Adi divorce and settlement is not discussed by Raman till now. For a long time Adi was in a hostel - so as a parental figure Shagun was absent. So we would be making guesses about what decision Court would take -either they send him back to the hostel or to Raman . For her at this moment- Adi is not even in the picture because all the circumstances have depicted Raman's actions more towards him having feelings for Shagun than for Adi. I mean , if it was just for Adi's concern then won't Ishita feel that this was a very menial matter that Raman could have made cleared to her at the very onset. IF it was Adi, Raman would have spoken to her , considering she has cleared the air about Adi weeks back. If it was for Adi, Ishita trusts Raman to know that she would always understand him. The problem is by hiding all this Raman has hinted more towards his involvement with Shagun than any fatherly affection. So probably that is why Adi is not clicking in her.
Anger, Disappointment and shock ,totally justify why she is not thinking this through, considering the time span( a day ?).

Another point more than hate for Shagun her reaction is in retaliation to Raman's behavior. She is frustrated by his silence. Probably she is taking these extreme steps to ensure that he opens up.


The only thing that is dragging this serial unnecessary is that none of Raman's arguments for keeping this a secret that has weight or relevance.

The simple math for me says none of this court drama or family mess would happen if the man for once speak this out to the woman who has more than once done selfless things for his family. He owe it to every other relationship in that family.

Anyways. Nice to hear so many different opinions.
Edited by charminggenie - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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All Points are perfect ... Completely agree ...
Today's episode was Good in few areas -

1. Ishita stops trusting Raman and conveyed him very nicely during Lift scene , first to call Mihir not Raman and second to ignore Raman and ask for Mihir's hand.Conveying she is having 0 expection from him.
2. When Raman apologize to not come to Ruhi's school for some work . I wish Ishita could have said " Don't Worry , That's why I marry you to take care of Ruhi ".
3. Very good to see that Mihir is genuinely very caring towards Raman Ishita's relation, . He tries to talk to Shagun, showed her her real place and then Told Ishita that he is there for her help.
4. Ashok has genuine feelings Shagun and he himself is facing insecurities towards her.
5. Amma-Ishita BRAVO... What a conversation👏. How close they are, she don't need any friend her family members are her strength, I love when she said BE MY STRENGTH NOT WEAKNESS.
6. Ishita-Shagun conversation proved that She didn't love her Son too as she could have very easily got out of this mess BUT just to destroy Ishita .. She'll end up destroying herself(I WISH).

Bad -
I don't like Romi calling Shagun BHABHI ... They tried to make it humorous by calling Bhabhi 1 Bhabhi 2, But seriously for me that was annoying.

Ishita's complete closer towards Raman was visible and conveyed by Ishita today. She is definitely effected by all this and no one is to be blamed as Raman messed up. She tried to be strong ... But when she came to know that he's still protecting her and giving no answers after asking her to correct , she always give him that time to tell her the truth BUT he choose to be silent and broke his Promise . For me he never understood ishita completely , still have doubts that she'll not understand and for him his promise with Adi/Shagun is more important than Promise with Ishita ( which he made on bench that for Adi and Ruhi they both will be in sync ), He can see her hurt but can't broke his promise which he gave to his Son.


It's very difficult for Ishita to come out of her cocoon after all this as his induced a lot of insecurities in her which needs to overcome before going forward in there relation.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#60
On Adi
Well if this was real life and a court case was going on , Adi would have to go to the correction centre, as this was not a small matter. The boy was driving a vehicle on a busy road and ran over a lady. Not long there was a hue and cry when a billionaire's son did it and tried settling it out of court. So if we could seek punishment for him than Adi deserves it too. Ofcourse court would be within its jurisdiction to resort for some leniency considering his age.

But on show and as a Parent
Remand house won't make sense, but atleast Raman could start by not mollycoddling him. Having one conversation where he makes his son understand the implications of what he did and what could have happened. That picnic trip was not required. For now his handling this situation is too clouded by his blind love for Adi.

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