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sps0114

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Posted: 14 years ago

Divya said Veer kee zindagee meh jitnee bhee problems aaye ichcha kee wajah seh, Nani ka kahnah hai Ichcha Taps seh jalti hai...Taps neh hee Veer kee zindagee sawari hai humesha

Hermonie/Vijayam will let you both analyze the truth of the statement by Divya and Nani, you both have followed UT probably from the start and are non judgemental in your approach 😊 thanks

Edited by sps0114 - 14 years ago

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Posted: 14 years ago

Hi sps..😊. Thanks for your appreciation 😊

In the beginning Divya was portrayed as an arrogant character with grey shades, but after Nani came to stay there they made Nani the villainous one and Divya the good one, who understood and loved Damini for her goodness and sincere service. But they have shown her as a weak character with no judgemental ability of her own and who can easily be made to waver and change her ideas. Given Nani's expertise in brainwashing, Divya can easily be swayed under her influence and misguidance and she was only parroting what Nani had instilled in her mind about Ichcha and now some ridiculous doubts have been planted about Damini-Jogi relationship also by the good-for-nothing Pushkar and that also has an indirect impact on her faulty thinking. She has been led to believe that Damini and Ichcha are jealous of her and her daughter and that they are trying to snatch their positions and demean them thereby taking credit for everything by charming all the people who matter. She is a puppet in the hands of people like Nani, Pushkar, Masoom, etc., and was quick to doubt Jogi, who is such a gentleman, that he was unfaithful to her and later apologised to him. So actually her words have no substance or meaning.

Some people even though they know what they are telling is a lie, by uttering that lie repeatedly, start believing that it is the truth. This is like self-hypnosis, where people believe what they want to believe, as truth, by repeating it to themselves and others a billion times. It is a form of mental disorder, the name of which I do not know, but the Drs in the forum will be able to provide. This is the illness Nani is suffering from, apart from her natural evil, mean mentality, greed, jealousy, hatred and crooked thinking. That is why she is badmouthing Ichcha because she hates her and Damini as they are good persons and she is jealous of the respect and love they command from everybody due to their sincerity and sacrificing nature. Also they are the ones who pointed out the evil intentions of Pushkar to Jogi. So she hates them and is out to put them down all the time and demean them.

This is my POV and hope you find it reasonable..😊

Edited by hermione8 - 14 years ago

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sps0114

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Posted: 14 years ago

Thanks hermoine for the details

Dont know what to make of yesterdays episode...Divya/Nani contd to be mean with ichcha, I feel bad for ichcha...

Is Ichcha being unreasonable asking Taps to say the truth before the godhbharaee, she is not asking Taps to go marry Rathore...

Damini was happy for Taps what Divya was doing for Taps yet Divya was mean to Damini...

Mai is happy to gift stuff to Taps and so is Veer, Divya/Jogi will come with all the gifts etc...Taps is lying playing with everyone's emotions if ichcha does speak the truth no one will believe ichcha...

Would Rathore come for godhbharaee with daija...

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501272

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: sps0114
Divya said Veer kee zindagee meh jitnee bhee problems aaye ichcha kee wajah seh, Nani ka kahnah hai Ichcha Taps seh jalti hai...Taps neh hee Veer kee zindagee sawari hai humesha

Hermonie/Vijayam will let you both analyze the truth of the statement by Divya and Nani, you both have followed UT probably from the start and are non judgemental in your approach 😊 thanks

@ Bold..

Divya said Veer kee zindagee meh jitnee bhee problems aaye ichcha kee wajah seh:

The initial spark that marked the starting point of Veer's problems was ignited by Ichcha, when she bound Tapasya, the root cause of all his problems, to Veer by sending Taps in her place as the bride. Divya was right in one sense, but she meant it in a different way according to Nani's thinking and not according to what I have written. The initial act of thrusting Taps on an unsuspecting and unwilling Veer was done by Ichcha, but then Tapasya did the rest of the damage and gave him extreme mental agony and distress and is now continuing to do so. Now she has become like the monstrous 'Old man of the sea' riding on 'Sinbad the sailor's shoulders and would not let him go..😆

Taps neh hee Veer kee zindagee sawari hai humesha:

As for Nani's words that only Taps has helped Veer at all times, it is utter nonsense. Taps initiated all his problems and has never tried to save anyone else but herself all the time. She always tells partial truths which are in her favour and hides the important truths that will damage her reputation.

Everybody knows that once Taps was bound to Veer, then she started to ruin his and his Bundela family's lives completely by uttering more lies and manipulating everything and everybody to suit what she wanted, that is to possess Veer, who was rejecting her and was trying to unite with his love Ichcha. She tread on everyone's emotions, irrespective of how much harm and heart ache she caused to the others, to succeed in her obsession and did not hesitate to go to any extent, even trying to kill the girl who sacrificed so much for her and instigating a sick guy to suicide and robbing and doing emotional blackmail and remaining silent even when her object of desire was in jail, falsely accused of his brother's murder. All these show how much she has saved Veer when she was his wife.

Let us see how Taps helped to save Veer now, when she is no longer his wife:

1) She asked Ichcha to tell the watchman that she is Ichcha VSB, so that he would let her inside the construction site;

2) She held Ichcha's hand and made a promise to save Veer;

3) She got Mai to let Ichcha go out with her so that they can go and Ichcha can save Veer from S & S in the hotel the first time;

4) She went to the hotel with Umed and Daddaji and spoke to the receptionist authoritatively inquiring her for Veer's whereabouts before he was arrested;

5) She made a deal with Rathore that she would marry him and attended the 'Sangeet' ceremony, but backed out and broke her promise to marry him when he came with baaraat.

May be these are the things Nani is referring to as Tapasya's efforts in saving Veer, which are ridiculous. All these things pointed out by me only goes to show that Tapasya can never change and become positive or magnanimous.

Both these girls have been instrumental for the problems in Veer's life, but Ichcha can and should save him from further pain and distress, and not make him a jackass by letting him believe Rathore's baby to be his, as he has already won the 'Best Bechara Male' award😆😆.

Ichcha is still overpowered by her feelings of obligation and gratitude towards Taps and so she is playing along with her in her lies and is trying to protect her also. The day she overcomes this weakness and makes Veer her priority and puts his feelings above everyone else's, only on that day 'True Love' can win. As long as she hides things from him, she has to suffer, and he too has to suffer because of her wrong priorities in life. She is not wrong in asking Taps to own up to her lies and tell the truth before it is too late, because she is concerned about her. She should advise Taps and reason out with her and put sense into her head by making her realize that marrying Rathore will be to her's and her kid's advantage only, in the long run.

In essence, I can say that this is like the 'Chaos theory Butterfly effect', where one foolish initial action of Ichcha led to a hurricane(Tapasya) in Veer's life, and only Ichcha has the moral responsibility to set things right now and she should conquer the deceit played out by Tapasya with Truth and should make Veer, her husband, her first priority in life.

Please bear with me for the long post..😊

Edited by hermione8 - 14 years ago

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Vijaya

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Posted: 14 years ago

Great post SPS & excellent views hermoine 👏 ! I agree with every point that you have mentioned.

Another perspective on 'Divya said Veer kee zindagee meh jitnee bhee problems aaye ichcha kee wajah seh'
Veer & Ichcha found in each other that only some lucky couples have with them, & that is selfless love & an intense attraction towards each other. Veer loves the way Iccha is & doesn't want to change her at all...so though he suffered the most after the bride swapping episode... he began to admire her even more...he wanted to be with her at any cost...& all tappu's attempts to separate Veecha from then till now have only further deepened Veer's love for Iccha. But I do agree that Iccha could have made better decisions in the past, most of them were done with some solid reasons, but the biggest mistake she committed was marrying Vansh...and that had definitely complicated Veer's life. But overall its not Icch'a fault that Veer fell for her...it was destiny...they had to be together, thats it...😳

Coming to nani's statement that 'Taps neh hee Veer kee zindagee sawari hai humesha'
the less said the better, we all know why taps is after Veer...the day Iccha loses interest in Veer, tapu dear will also run away...abhi nani ko pata nahin hain ki tappu ke pet mein kiska paap pal rahaa hai...she would have to literally chew back her words of taunts to iccha & statements on tappus' mahanta...cant wait to see her reaction when tappu gets exposed this time...wished Veer could have again exposed tappu this time...but I think cvs is planning to show a very emotional positive exposure of tappu...😕

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sps0114

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Posted: 14 years ago

Yeh Divya aur Nani baar baar yeh kyu kahtee hai kee ichcha koh joh kuch bhee mila woh Taps kee wajah seh, kyu Ichcha koh Taps ke ahsaasn tale bandhtee hai...ichcha ke kismat meh Veer tha toh useh milah, Taps ke kismat meh tha Ichcha aur Veer koh milanah toh milaya, Veecha koh dukh denah toh diya...Taps ke liyeh jab baat hotee hai toh Taps kee kismat, toh ichcha kee bhee kuch achchi aur buri kismat hai... toh yeh logh ichcha koh kyu kosteh rahte hai...agar ichcha bundela ghar kee bahu hai uske life meh uttar chadhav hai toh Taps kee wajah seh...ab agar inkee apnee ladki nah kush hai toh Taps is totally responsible for it...ichcha neh kabhee kuch chinah nahi...useh joh kismat seh milah milah...woh Taps aur Jogi ke ahsaan koh toh mantee hai uske chalteh kya kuch nahee kiya aur saha yet these two ladies and Taps kabhee bhee ichcha kee kushi meh kabhee kush nahee hotee...

Ab agar Taps Rathore ka bachcha carry kar rahee hai toh Taps koh khudh samjh nahee aa raha hai kee Veer uskee kismat meh nahee tha...woh abhee bhee Divya aur Nani ke kahee batoh meh aakar apneh hee illusions delusions meh uljhi rahegee...cvs Taps koh positive banah rahe hai kaha seh?

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sps0114

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: hermione8

@ Bold..

Divya said Veer kee zindagee meh jitnee bhee problems aaye ichcha kee wajah seh:

The initial spark that marked the starting point of Veer's problems was ignited by Ichcha, when she bound Tapasya, the root cause of all his problems, to Veer by sending Taps in her place as the bride. Divya was right in one sense, but she meant it in a different way according to Nani's thinking and not according to what I have written. The initial act of thrusting Taps on an unsuspecting and unwilling Veer was done by Ichcha, but then Tapasya did the rest of the damage and gave him extreme mental agony and distress and is now continuing to do so. Now she has become like the monstrous 'Old man of the sea' riding on 'Sinbad the sailor's shoulders and would not let him go..😆

Taps neh hee Veer kee zindagee sawari hai humesha:

As for Nani's words that only Taps has helped Veer at all times, it is utter nonsense. Taps initiated all his problems and has never tried to save anyone else but herself all the time. She always tells partial truths which are in her favour and hides the important truths that will damage her reputation.

Everybody knows that once Taps was bound to Veer, then she started to ruin his and his Bundela family's lives completely by uttering more lies and manipulating everything and everybody to suit what she wanted, that is to possess Veer, who was rejecting her and was trying to unite with his love Ichcha. She tread on everyone's emotions, irrespective of how much harm and heart ache she caused to the others, to succeed in her obsession and did not hesitate to go to any extent, even trying to kill the girl who sacrificed so much for her and instigating a sick guy to suicide and robbing and doing emotional blackmail and remaining silent even when her object of desire was in jail, falsely accused of his brother's murder. All these show how much she has saved Veer when she was his wife.

Let us see how Taps helped to save Veer now, when she is no longer his wife:

1) She asked Ichcha to tell the watchman that she is Ichcha VSB, so that he would let her inside the construction site;

2) She held Ichcha's hand and made a promise to save Veer;

3) She got Mai to let Ichcha go out with her so that they can go and Ichcha can save Veer from S & S in the hotel the first time;

4) She went to the hotel with Umed and Daddaji and spoke to the receptionist authoritatively inquiring her for Veer's whereabouts before he was arrested;

5) She made a deal with Rathore that she would marry him and attended the 'Sangeet' ceremony, but backed out and broke her promise to marry him when he came with baaraat.

May be these are the things Nani is referring to as Tapasya's efforts in saving Veer, which are ridiculous. All these things pointed out by me only goes to show that Tapasya can never change and become positive or magnanimous.

Both these girls have been instrumental for the problems in Veer's life, but Ichcha can and should save him from further pain and distress, and not make him a jackass by letting him believe Rathore's baby to be his, as he has already won the 'Best Bechara Male' award😆😆.

Ichcha is still overpowered by her feelings of obligation and gratitude towards Taps and so she is playing along with her in her lies and is trying to protect her also. The day she overcomes this weakness and makes Veer her priority and puts his feelings above everyone else's, only on that day 'True Love' can win. As long as she hides things from him, she has to suffer, and he too has to suffer because of her wrong priorities in life. She is not wrong in asking Taps to own up to her lies and tell the truth before it is too late, because she is concerned about her. She should advise Taps and reason out with her and put sense into her head by making her realize that marrying Rathore will be to her's and her kid's advantage only, in the long run.

In essence, I can say that this is like the 'Chaos theory Butterfly effect', where one foolish initial action of Ichcha led to a hurricane(Tapasya) in Veer's life, and only Ichcha has the moral responsibility to set things right now and she should conquer the deceit played out by Tapasya with Truth and should make Veer, her husband, her first priority in life.

Please bear with me for the long post..😊

Nice post hermione & Vijayam

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501272

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: sps0114
Yeh Divya aur Nani baar baar yeh kyu kahtee hai kee ichcha koh joh kuch bhee mila woh Taps kee wajah seh, kyu Ichcha koh Taps ke ahsaasn tale bandhtee hai...ichcha ke kismat meh Veer tha toh useh milah, Taps ke kismat meh tha Ichcha aur Veer koh milanah toh milaya, Veecha koh dukh denah toh diya...Taps ke liyeh jab baat hotee hai toh Taps kee kismat, toh ichcha kee bhee kuch achchi aur buri kismat hai... toh yeh logh ichcha koh kyu kosteh rahte hai...agar ichcha bundela ghar kee bahu hai uske life meh uttar chadhav hai toh Taps kee wajah seh...ab agar inkee apnee ladki nah kush hai toh Taps is totally responsible for it...ichcha neh kabhee kuch chinah nahi...useh joh kismat seh milah milah...woh Taps aur Jogi ke ahsaan koh toh mantee hai uske chalteh kya kuch nahee kiya aur saha yet these two ladies and Taps kabhee bhee ichcha kee kushi meh kabhee kush nahee hotee...

Ab agar Taps Rathore ka bachcha carry kar rahee hai toh Taps koh khudh samjh nahee aa raha hai kee Veer uskee kismat meh nahee tha...woh abhee bhee Divya aur Nani ke kahee batoh meh aakar apneh hee illusions delusions meh uljhi rahegee...cvs Taps koh positive banah rahe hai kaha seh?

Agree with you sps..

Divya is like the blind Dhritarashtra who knows his son Duryodan's wicked nature and deeds, still supports him and wants bad things to happen for the Pandavas. He is sort of happy that the Pandavas died in the fire in Wax palace, so that his son will be the undisputed ruler, but when the Pandavas escape and win Draupadi in her Swayamvar, Vidura tells the blind king that Draupadi became their 'bahu' in the sense that she is the wife of his brother's sons. This blind king is very happy thinking that Duryodan won her and when Vidura clarifies that the Pandavas are alive and Arjuna won her, this blind king swallows his folly and tries to hide his disappointment and jealousy by saying that it is a good thing and indeed Draupadi is his 'bahu', half-heartedly, though he is not happy about either..

Divya also is forgetful of all the good things Ichcha has done for them and is just jealous of her goodness. She never felt any such compassion for Ichcha when Ichcha suffered because of Tapasya when1) she was forced into giving away her groom, 2) she forgave Taps even after she tried to kill her, 3) she married a drug addict for her daughter's sake, 4) lost her husband due to instigation by Taps, 5) she, in spite of all these things,has taken the pregnant Taps into her house and is looking after her well.

Divya knew that Taps has not changed when she wanted the red nightie she had brought for Ichcha, which she promptly gave away to her and Divya did not even object to it. This shows that they are all so used to her sacrificing everything, big or small, for their daughter's sake, and her feelings are not taken into consideration at all and they think it is their right to take away her things, whether given by them or self-earned through her goodness. Mean people like Divya, even though rich, are bankrupt in morality and judgement and are arrogant in thinking that they can own people because they helped them financially to come up in life and when they perform even better than their own offspring, cannot take it or tolerate it as they want them to be below them in status for ever.

Edited by hermione8 - 14 years ago

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sps0114

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: hermione8

Agree with you sps..

Divya is like the blind Dhritarashtra who knows his son Duryodan's wicked nature and deeds, still supports him and wants bad things to happen for the Pandavas. He is sort of happy that the Pandavas died in the fire in Wax palace, so that his son will be the undisputed ruler, but when the Pandavas escape and win Draupadi in her Swayamvar, Vidura tells the blind king that Draupadi became their 'bahu' in the sense that she is the wife of his brother's sons. This blind king is very happy thinking that Duryodan won her and when Vidura clarifies that the Pandavas are alive and Arjuna won her, this blind king swallows his folly and tries to hide his disappointment and jealousy by saying that it is a good thing and indeed Draupadi is his 'bahu', half-heartedly, though he is not happy about either..

Divya also is forgetful of all the good things Ichcha has done for them and is just jealous of her goodness. She never felt any such compassion for Ichcha when Ichcha suffered because of Tapasya when1) she was forced into giving away her groom, 2) she forgave Taps even after she tried to kill her, 3) she married a drug addict for her daughter's sake, 4) lost her husband due to instigation by Taps, 5) she, in spite of all these things,has taken the pregnant Taps into her house and is looking after her well.

Divya knew that Taps has not changed when she wanted the red nightie she had brought for Ichcha, which she promptly gave away to her and Divya did not even object to it. This shows that they are all so used to her sacrificing everything, big or small, for their daughter's sake, and her feelings are not taken into consideration at all and they think it is their right to take away her things, whether given by them or self-earned through her goodness. Mean people like Divya, even though rich, are bankrupt in morality and judgement and are arrogant in thinking that they can own people because they helped them financially to come up in life and when they perform even better than their own offspring, cannot take it or tolerate it as they want them to be below them in status for ever.

WOW 👏its a pleasure 😊😊 reading your responses, analysis and comparisons which are bang on from epics, classic etc...very aptly analyzed - true and agree with you...you are our info desk love it😊😊😊