Tapu and Ichha?

What r they...best buddies again? Theyre wondering around together on this honeymoon...Ichha has even started saying "Tappu" again...and yeh! LOL is this a blooper???😆

Ichcha is kind of person who can't think or do bad to anybody no matter what they have done to her so even after all that tapu has done she still can't behave badly to her

Icha is not so innocent.

Agreed that Tapu has been supporting evil, however Icha, didn't stand up for the truth, she hid many things.

Icha never took her elder's advise in the end to marry Veer.

She betrayed her mother and lied to her many times, it's as if they have no sincere honest relationship where mother and daughter are like best friends, trusting and confiding in one another.

She betrayed her own finance, Veer on their marriage day.

She betrayed Takur. When Jogi told her to tell Vansh the truth, she left it till the end when she suddenly realized she still has very strong feelings for Veer & not Vansh. (The part where she hung on to him when she was scared in that haunted castle).

She also deceived Tapu's parents and supported her wrong doing when she knew she had a boyfriend yet didn't tell her parents about the affair.

Would it have been nice to see Jogi and his wife deeply hurt if Tapu got in trouble with Sid through their illicit affairs, e.g. if she was raped, or got pregnant or got deceived by Sid while still unmarried?

Didn't Icha think what if Jogi & Takurain saw their daughter Tapu's intimacy with Sid or if they saw their pictures together which are still hung up in his house?

(Really surprised though that the police never checked out Sid's house and saw those large photos of him & Tapu on the wall...Amazing detective work!)

Finally Tapu had one valid point: Where was Icha when Tapu needed her friend's advise, guidance and aid to put her in the right direction? Why didn't Icha act, speak up, or advise Tapu why it was a mistake to turn down Veer's proposal? Why couldn't Icha see Tapu's feelings for Sid were just an infatuation or real love? Wasn't Icha sensible to know the difference? If she had not any sense then Icha herself would not have hesitated to have had a string of boyfriends, but no, Icha had full sense yet never advised Tapu to do the right thing - she only dictated or suggested lightly or hinted to her, but never sincerely advised Tapu or consoled her or spent time with her making her understand as her others like nani did, and as Tapu had done for her on a numerous occasions, even when she was small, making sure Icha stays with her and not got kicked out.

That's something worth considering

We know who has done more evil, but who instigated it? Who was more selfish, who was more proud?

I leave this for you all to decide. :)

Originally posted by: cluelass

Icha is not so innocent.

Agreed that Tapu has been supporting evil, however Icha, didn't stand up for the truth, she hid many things.

Icha never took her elder's advise in the end to marry Veer.

She betrayed her mother and lied to her many times, it's as if they have no sincere honest relationship where mother and daughter are like best friends, trusting and confiding in one another.

She betrayed her own finance, Veer on their marriage day.

She betrayed Takur. When Jogi told her to tell Vansh the truth, she left it till the end when she suddenly realized she still has very strong feelings for Veer & not Vansh. (The part where she hung on to him when she was scared in that haunted castle).

She also deceived Tapu's parents and supported her wrong doing when she knew she had a boyfriend yet didn't tell her parents about the affair.

Would it have been nice to see Jogi and his wife deeply hurt if Tapu got in trouble with Sid through their illicit affairs, e.g. if she was raped, or got pregnant or got deceived by Sid while still unmarried?

Didn't Icha think what if Jogi & Takurain saw their daughter Tapu's intimacy with Sid or if they saw their pictures together which are still hung up in his house?

(Really surprised though that the police never checked out Sid's house and saw those large photos of him & Tapu on the wall...Amazing detective work!)

Finally Tapu had one valid point: Where was Icha when Tapu needed her friend's advise, guidance and aid to put her in the right direction? Why didn't Icha act, speak up, or advise Tapu why it was a mistake to turn down Veer's proposal? Why couldn't Icha see Tapu's feelings for Sid were just an infatuation or real love? Wasn't Icha sensible to know the difference? If she had not any sense then Icha herself would not have hesitated to have had a string of boyfriends, but no, Icha had full sense yet never advised Tapu to do the right thing - she only dictated or suggested lightly or hinted to her, but never sincerely advised Tapu or consoled her or spent time with her making her understand as her others like nani did, and as Tapu had done for her on a numerous occasions, even when she was small, making sure Icha stays with her and not got kicked out.

That's something worth considering

We know who has done more evil, but who instigated it? Who was more selfish, who was more proud?

I leave this for you all to decide. :)

thanks ji! everyone who says tapu doesnt love her parents cos she lies to them: read the above: ich also lied many times and hid things! does she also not love her mom and jogi and thakurian

again we are back to the same point ...
ichha had many times told taps to talk to veer straightforward when they met first in cafe or disco ...
but it was taps who allways put ichha first and then escaped..
and regarding ichha telling lies it was for tappu ...and because of that nani who had told ichha that if she marries vansh ....veer-tappu will be a couple again ...
all for tappu ji ...😆
and in many circumstances taps forced ichha to lie ...but when ichha got caught taps never came to rescue ...

[quote]Thank god u agreed [/quote]

Lol! You should know me better by now - I am never on the side of evil no matter who or what it involves.

[quote]Really Did Tapu baba gave her the choice. Remember Tapu baba cut her wrist and threatned that is Ichcha goes to the mandap she will comit sucide [/quote]


But that was not all was it? What happened before that and after it?

And why did Tapu go to that extreme? She felt betrayed by Icha's friendship. If Icha really knows Tapu so well and loves her, after so many years living with her Icha should never have gone ahead for Veer's proposal while still living in that house, because as long as she was there Icha knew she had a duty to pay for the Takur's ehsaan to her and a promise to fulfill from her mother, never to upset Tapu.

Also Icha should have known from all her previous experiences how Tapu reacts when Icha gets something that Tapu had before. Tapu has an bad habit of throwing something valuable away, then taking it back from Icha, BREAKING it then giving it back to Icha. Doesn't Icha know this? Has she not learnt the most valid lesson about Tapu?

Don't forget, when Tapu was crying out for Veer and cut her wrist, Icha's Mother gave Icha her sincere advise not to listen to Tapu's tantrums but to go downstairs, but did Icha listen? That was when Icha should have listened to her mother and been strong.

[quote]Yes she has many times but at no time it was to benifit herself. You tell any instance ? [/quote]

The point is that by hiding the truth from her mother, Icha is has placed herself in the position by being her Mother's Mother.

The problem here is that Icha thinks by doing this she is being responsible yet she is doing exactly the opposite. On the one had she loves and respects her mother, on the other hand she ignores her mother and tells her lies hiding the truth. If she really loves & respects her mother she should confide in her and rely on her decision, not the other way around and treat her like her kid, someone who has no sense or value.

[quote]Remember Tapu baba advised ichcha not to tell Vansh and even then Ichcha at least told the truth but again Tapu baba did emotional blackmail and found abt the letter and changed it which resulted in all the problem we c with Vanch now[/quote]

Forget Tapu baba for a minute.

Tapu came in much later on and yeah, actually in this instance although Tapu had something to gain (becoming a Takur's wife), she was perfectly right to stop Icha in the mehndi to write that letter. Didn't Icha agree beforehand with Nani that she will marry Vansh? If she really wanted Veer then she should not have agreed, by playing the victim.

Icha always said Tapu and Veer should be together, but Icha was dishonest with everyone most of all to her her own self. She had a strong, possessive attraction to Veer which Veer reciprocated. Secretly possessive because Icha too was also envious of Veer proposal Tapu. See 2nd July episode when her mother asks what she thought about Veer and she smiles and says he is really, really very nice. Another time was when Veer asks Icha to sit in the back seat of the car and she gets upset asking why. He says he is bringing someone very special to sit in the front.. Did you see Icha's possessive reaction? Pure jealousy there too!

By not listening to her Mum or Takur, Icha just couldn't seem to make stick to one decision or the other and has made a mess of everything for herself and for Tapu.

[quote]Probably Tapu baba had history of such affairs even b4 sid and Ichcha couldn't had been able to decide if it was a serious one or just a friendship. [/quote]

Possibly...But... Icha had a responsibility towards her friend and her family too which she hasn't fulfilled.

[quote]And if u think that is deceiving that what will u say what Tapu baba did to her own parents ? [/quote]

It was TERRIBLE!! 😃

I am only saying that Icha is also not that innocent either!

[quote]Moreover althought Jogi thakur have considered Ichcha as their daughter she knew it is really a ahasan and if she would have told bad things abt Tapu may be their love 4 her wouldn't be the same. Another thing could be Nani would use that an excuse to make thakur throw Ichcha and Damini out of the Haveli[/quote]

Not necessarily. Where are Icha's values that Jogi & her mother taught her? Didn't they teach her that to always take the side of the truth? What about her loyalty to her mother and to Jogi, Takurayn? Will they not take that into consideration?

Then what about Icha's love & friendship and understanding towards Tapu? In all these years hasn't Icha tried to wean off some of the bad traits off her friend?

As I said, if Icha really knows Tapu so well and loves her, after so many years living with her Icha should never have gone ahead for Veer's proposal while still living in that house, because as long as she was there Icha knew she had a duty to pay for the Takur's Ehasaan to her and a promise to fulfill from her mother, never to upset Tapu.

[quote]u r making ichcha the real villan of the show. [/quote]

But I would say that is gross generalization, do read my previous posts.

I have hardly posted in this forum for many weeks and when I have always also spoken up against Tapu's antiques, manipulation and psychopathic deviations and even today in another thread about 'Vansh Drowning Icha'

[quote]Ichcha has tried to tell Tapu so many times what is right and what is wrong but Tapu does only what she wants to [/quote]

Actually the only time I saw her telling her was once or twice when she was young but after her marriage with Vansh Icha was only lashing out and defending herself. She slapped Tapu because Tapu spoilt Icha's passiveness over marrying Veer. It was Tapu who made her think about it...unfortunately Icha still doesn't get it, the mess she has created on her side of the equation.

In fact I won't be surprised if Tapu is playing the same mind game with Veer as Vansh now is.

This show is now much more complicated.

I no longer think that either Vansh or Tapu are really interested in their marriage partners but are trying to make the other see in their own mirrors, in order to gain their own self worth/ self respect back.

I am not taking sides here, but I am sure Tapu will make Icha sorry for that slap... and Icha will really cry in the end when she realizes her own failings towards her friend.

HELLO??? where did we go off topic here? lolz😊

^ We're writing about what it means for them to be a best buddy - can't you c??? 😆

Originally posted by: vijaya_ls

again we are back to the same point ...
ichha had many times told taps to talk to veer straightforward when they met first in cafe or disco ...
but it was taps who allways put ichha first and then escaped..
and regarding ichha telling lies it was for tappu ....

That's the whole point: what use is it of 'telling' Tapu? I am not saying that Tapu is innocent. She's been very wicked at times, however Icha hasn't been her best friend either because she has not talked to her properly, she has only either hinted, or dictated to her by telling her what to do, but never really explained or advised her properly, so that she could think for herself, otherwise Tapu wouldn't be dancing aorund with a strange man in the disco while yet unmarried....sure enouh Icha would have found out well before it became really serious and Jogi would have known about it before her relationship went this far and Tapu finally would be in her senses.