If Yudhishthira and Ram are catalysts why not my Chakor?

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If Yudhishthira and Ram are catalysts why not my Chakor?

Yudhishthira and Ram both from the famous two Hindu Mythology, The epitomes of righteousness, the principled, the ones who never missed the path of dharma can be a catalyst, murder in hidence to guard the dharma why not Chakor?

Open to healthy discussion.

Thanks Mai for the summary and your title kept me thinking a lot. I saw the episode and had numerous views, debating within myself, analyzing within myself.

I have never thought so much but yesterday's episode made me realise, analyse and also infact terrible MinArt debate.

This is not a war of principle (as I had mentioned earlier, this is a war with homicides, not even ordinary criminals).

Yudhishtra the eldest of Pandavas, who lived by principles, never lied, whose chariot had the golden sun in the flag, its horses feet never touched the ground and had dharma devatha following as a dog behind him, did lie only once in the war of Kurukshethra (Mahabharata, the war which was played by deceit) as he had to make his Acharya Drona to lay down his arms, he said those lines Ashwathama hatha (means dead) kunjaraha (Ashwathama was the name of Drona's son as well as the name of the Kings elephant (kunjaraha means elephant). Lord Krishna played a game of blowing his conch when Drona came to Yudhistra to confirm about his son's death which made him hear only Ashwathama hatha while the rest of the words he murmured and was not heard in the sound of the conch. Drona was not bad but he had to fight for the bad supporting the Kauravas. So in a way he was a catalyst in disarming Drona.

Likewise Rama the pious truthful, principled warrior had to kill Vali the Monkey King from hiding as to get the help of Sugriva, Vali's twin brother. If he fight in front, as per the boon of Vali half the strength of the opponent goes to him. Hence Rama had to go against in principle to fight and aimed his arrow from hiding. Vali too was supporting Ravana, the one who abducted Sita and was torturing the Rishis. So in a way he was a catalyst in murdering Vali.

I weighed so much so much, I am not talking SuKor as I know my dude is too practical who always said a thorn has to be removed with a thorn and eye for eye. But my birdie, my Chakor is not, she always preached, followed, ahimsa, non violence who even laid her torch down (thanks to Kasturi) when she was about to torch Imli the most gruesome evil. Kasturi said Bhurai is winning as Chakor will turn evil if she kills Imli... well then by killing Bacha Pandey has Chakor turned evil? Has evil won? Should I concur that. (I still cannot accept that Imli though I had peace with her being whipped but I would have had more peace if she was left atleast half torched for the unpardonable crimes she has inflicted the worst is Kumud's burial and Separation of Saanvi and affixing the stamp on that little hands.)

Chakor asking Suraj to change the antidote with another harmone injection is ...right or wrong... ???

These evils are not ordinary criminals they are homicides, who are killing so many lives for their own benefit. Young girl's natural growth is being hampered, made to do the unnatural, girls are being subjected to abuse physically and videographed, what right do they have, they are misusing their power, so with the sidhanth of nonviolence should Chakor be quiet and allow law to punish? Will Law ever punish?

Where is law, except for a handful the law is bent by evils.

Her daughter was kidnapped, now laid like a corpse with trauma, suffering with unimaginable pain, she was also brainwashed to go against her mother!

Her Suraj was kidnapped, not only that he was tied to a time bomb ticking her life to end...

With the above should Chakor still preach nonviolence... Follow the rule book?

There is a famous idiom saying if a cow (the most sacred animal) comes to you killing, you can kill the same in self-defense...

They are not cows they are maneaters, slaughterers, predators and she is not just safeguarding her daughter or seeking revenge for her daughter's plight, she has made herself hard, harder than the rock to seek revenge for those innumerable daughters, those innocent girls whose life has been slaughtered, massacred by the evil.

To win a game and to reach the rutheless King, we need to kill the pawns and place the checkmate. Life is also like a chess.

Yes, and I am calming myself as still Chakor did not kill BP without his knowledge, she is a warrior, she made Suraj tell him of his fate.

If Ram and Yudishtra were catalyst to murder the evil for the bigger benefit of the society, the righteousness to be guarded, so is my Chakor too!!!

As the norm of dharma, it is to be noted eversince the lie, Yudhistra's rath hit the ground and Ram in his next birth as Krishna was killed by a hunter (who was Vali) by an arrow from far away while Krishna was sitting in the tree, thinking that Krishna's toe was a bird...

But ... she is not indeed wrong,,,, but I debate to say she is right hence I say she is the catalyst...thus her flight has indeed lowered its wings this time... I rest!!!


If Yudhishthira and Ram are catalysts then even my Chakor is..

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Beautiful analysis, no words for it👏
Loved the title & the comparison
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Thoughtful analysis Sumi
I don't agree with what Sukor did but I don't consider them criminals. I think killing BP was unnecessary, if they replaced the antidote with placebo (saline injection for example), BP's suffering would've continued.

Even if they replaced antidote with drugs, makers could've chosen to keep BP suffering and make his condition worsen and Vikram refusing to send him to hospital leading to his death, making Vikram the only one responsible and not the injection which makes it Sukor's responsibility.

If Sukor killed BP during the fight then I wouldn't mind, but the assassination is too cruel.

Also BP is the least evil of the trio, he's more like Shikhu so giving him the biggest suffering seems unfair. He is bad but he isn't the mastermind.

The most unsettling thing is how Sukor, especially Suraj is enjoying it. There should be a sense of relief but there was glee in their eyes and their dialogues.

Killing BP isn't the issue it was how it was done. Still I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Superb food for thought sumi👏👏 fantafab
And mesh I wholly and totally concur with you... Exactly what I feel...

So will not elaborate...

Others views are welcome
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Sumi Dear .. ...


your post was

And i was like, There you godear you got the words out of my mouth..

Then your title .. bang on..

Reading your post i was shedding happy tears and got the sukoon just like your dude had yesterday.
And those mythological refrences you had
we knew the facts but the way you explained, described , too good.

The comparison and analysis was so beautiful and bang on👏
cent percent agreed with all said. I felt like i reading my mind and heart through the post of yours.

i am glad and happy you had an inner debate and chose to post.so that we get such a thoughtful post.

yes your dude is practical, so no qualms in his decision, the little inconvenience caused while seeing was chakorr enjoying the decision. but for all that you stated, she was indeed right in taking that decision. she is right in making a Rakshas got killed. no two thoughts about it.

only one concern is , may be the execution they would have showed with little glee in Sukor eyes which we might hv taken as they took it with no other option. thts one point cv missed.
they showed more happiness which is little disturbing while watching

what all chakor undergone, what those monsters are, does our law powerful to punish them, why sukor did what they did, all put and analysed perfectly.

you have put all the points, henceforth i rest :)
all the one about chakor, law, right/wrong, reality, dharma, superb.



And finally lots of , since no words can express how good your post was and how much i was excited on reading it and loving it.

since no words coming out, i filled it with emoticons which are my feel.😃

P.S. dont ask are these less words, my post end up length always.😳

loved you for this post
Edited by LuvSSever - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: katheriene

Beautiful analysis, no words for it👏

Loved the title & the comparison


thanks so much Sonali

your words mean a lot lot to me
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: meshmesh

Thoughtful analysis Sumi

I don't agree with what Sukor did but I don't consider them criminals. I think killing BP was unnecessary, if they replaced the antidote with placebo (saline injection for example), BP's suffering would've continued.

Even if they replaced antidote with drugs, makers could've chosen to keep BP suffering and make his condition worsen and Vikram refusing to send him to hospital leading to his death, making Vikram the only one responsible and not the injection which makes it Sukor's responsibility.

If Sukor killed BP during the fight then I wouldn't mind, but the assassination is too cruel.

Also BP is the least evil of the trio, he's more like Shikhu so giving him the biggest suffering seems unfair. He is bad but he isn't the mastermind.

The most unsettling thing is how Sukor, especially Suraj is enjoying it. There should be a sense of relief but there was glee in their eyes and their dialogues.

Killing BP isn't the issue it was how it was done. Still I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.


Thanks so much Mai

loved and honestly I waited for reading your views.. loved each and every line of yours.

Absolutely right... we all end up having a lot of mixed feelings.

A Bold red that summed it all very aptly ...

Thanks again Mai

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: 77nikita

Superb food for thought sumi👏👏 fantafab

And mesh I wholly and totally concur with you... Exactly what I feel...

So will not elaborate...

Others views are welcome


Thanks Niki my deary

the episode indeed made me think too much...😆😆my rusted brain...too




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Posted: 6 years ago
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Umoji
oh my god!! thanks a lot...a simple word but straight from my heart.

You made my post so beautiful with those emoticons.

I was so skeptical in doing the comparisons with Hindu mythology but actually Mai's title made me think and then on it just was on on...

Glad you all could feel what I was trying to project... (though Karna is my favorite in Mahabarat)

thanks thanks a lot long post, no way loved it to the core and thanks for taking so much of effort...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Sumi bang on👏

BP is definitely not Shikku but more than that to RD and not sure may be to Vikram too.

I think we are not hating BP like we used to hate other villains like Imli etc.
And not connected to Anjor and her pain that is why we have little sympathy to BP I guess.
If this is Imli,I don't think any one feel bad for the death of a villain.
But I personally feel what Sukor is done is not wrong practically and as Sooraj said this is not adarshvadi fight so no space for ethical or moral things in such a revenge.

I don't think killing BP indirectly will put Sukor in bad light in the minds of audience as such we are fearing.

Audience nowadays used to such revenge and killings as what Naggins and Dayaans doing in such shows,cold blood murders ?
And in 7.30 thriller show is all about revenge and killing.
So these things will go on tv.



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