Sleet of Emotional Quivers on RadhaKrishn Love CC#11 - Page 10

Another aspect regarding Vasudeva's sons. Though many are listed from his several wives. Only few of his sons have roles in adulthood. Gada Sarana (who is supposed to be oldest) Paundraka (who was raised by king of Pundra, allies with Jarasandha)  Balram and Krishna and daughter subhadra the youngest. 

Balram's tenuous claims are also supported by the fact that none of Vasudev's brother in law's or extended relatives offer him their daughter. Krishna. All of them had more than one daughter. Infact Satrajit all three daughters marry Krishna along with Satyabhama 

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Uparichara's official wife was Girika. Adrika was an Apsara cursed to be a fish when she ingested Uparichara's sperm.

It's a miraculous story which basically implies that Satyavati and Matsya were born to an Apsara / courtesan who had been disbarred / ostracised for misbehaving with a Rishi.

 

Children from Apsara was not an issue but from a cursed / ostracised outcast Apsara would be a problem and hence the miracle story

Regarding Balram.

Vasudev was not in a Jail till Krishna was born. He was in house arrest with access to his wives including Devaki and Rohini but under the watch of guards as well as spies disguised as servants. 

Balram was Rohini's son. Devaki's seventh was a miscarriage. 

Sankarshana or womb exchange was a propaganda to gain Andhaka parentage for Balaram for future coronation. Mathura was ruled by Andhaka. Vasudev was Vrishni Devaki was Andhaka and her son had a claim to throne. Rohini was a Puru princess. Vasudev himself had no claim on Mathura and neither did Balram and that is why Krishna was offered the throne by Ugrasena. And it is for this reason they had to move out as all kings supported Jarasandh's claim that Vasudev and Balram can never be king of Mathura. 

Eventually Balram gets Dwarka in dowry which enables Vasudev to succeed Ugrasena but even that was tenuous as Dwarka was just land citizens were all Bhoja Andhaka and Vrishni Yadava for whom only Krishna was eligible to be their chief. Hence story that Balram was actually Devaki's and there a vrishni Andhaka too. 

That's exactly my doubt these people had courtesan and Dasis and would have had multiple children from them, hence it doesn't seem that children of such non marital relations would have had much importance (not saying they were outcaste, but they definitely wouldn't have been important enough)

Vasu would have had multiple children too, a diseased daughter from a courtesan would've been least of his concern . If he wanted alliance with Hastinapur why did he opt for such discarded daughter and not someone from his legitimate wives 

This makes me think Parasar did have some role to play. It wasn't just Uparichara's influence but also Parasara's which resulted in Bheeshma backing out 

P.S. is the smell of fish/matasyagandha mentioned anywhere else excluding Jain scriptures 

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Another aspect regarding Vasudeva's sons. Though many are listed from his several wives. Only few of his sons have roles in adulthood. Gada Sarana (who is supposed to be oldest) Paundraka (who was raised by king of Pundra, allies with Jarasandha)  Balram and Krishna and daughter subhadra the youngest. 

Balram's tenuous claims are also supported by the fact that none of Vasudev's brother in law's or extended relatives offer him their daughter. Krishna. All of them had more than one daughter. Infact Satrajit all three daughters marry Krishna along with Satyabhama 

True Krishna was offered many wives, Balram just somehow managed to get Rewati

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Do you really think a daasi/fisherwoman's father would have the power to demand throne for unborn grandsons or Shantanu would be so love sick as to keep quiet while his good son is deprived of his rights 

Satyavati was chedi king Uparichara Vasu's biological daughter. Uparichara Vasu had 5 more sons (one of them who was twin of Satyavati was made king of Matsya). The eldest inherited Chedi. The other three were Kings of Malla Vatsa and Magadha. 

Satyavati was only sister of 5 powerful kings that surrounded kuru territory on 5 sides. 

She had a skin disease at birth that gave her fish like smell hence named Matsyagandha that Parasara father of Vyasa cured in return for giving him a son Vyasa. The reason for her living with fisherfolk 

It was only after that she became a sweet smelling lady good enough to be queen of Hastinapur 

There was no love there but politics purely 

Could it mean that Shantanu actually started avoiding Jahnavi for Satyvati which led to her leaving the palace??

As you had said earlier (and logically so) Satyavati was definitely not married to Shantanu after Bheeshm became an adult

Because throwing away newborn in water seems true to me only if she would have been mentally ill which doesn't seem a possibility here 

By the way 

Happy RathYatra people 

SriKrishna,  Baldev aur Subhadra ki yatra hum sab k liye shubh ho

Originally posted by: vyapti

Happy Rathayatra.

Jawab de diya. Main dinner kar rahi thi.

Happy Rathyatra

You don't stay in India 

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Happy Rathyatra

You don't stay in India 

I stay in India. Bas ekeli rehti hu toh man nehi lagta, irregular hai sab kuchh. Der kar diya.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Uparichara's official wife was Girika. Adrika was an Apsara cursed to be a fish when she ingested Uparichara's sperm.

It's a miraculous story which basically implies that Satyavati and Matsya were born to an Apsara / courtesan who had been disbarred / ostracised for misbehaving with a Rishi.

 

Children from Apsara was not an issue but from a cursed / ostracised outcast Apsara would be a problem and hence the miracle story

Regarding Balram.

Vasudev was not in a Jail till Krishna was born. He was in house arrest with access to his wives including Devaki and Rohini but under the watch of guards as well as spies disguised as servants. 

Balram was Rohini's son. Devaki's seventh was a miscarriage. 

Sankarshana or womb exchange was a propaganda to gain Andhaka parentage for Balaram for future coronation. Mathura was ruled by Andhaka. Vasudev was Vrishni Devaki was Andhaka and her son had a claim to throne. Rohini was a Puru princess. Vasudev himself had no claim on Mathura and neither did Balram and that is why Krishna was offered the throne by Ugrasena. And it is for this reason they had to move out as all kings supported Jarasandh's claim that Vasudev and Balram can never be king of Mathura. 

Eventually Balram gets Dwarka in dowry which enables Vasudev to succeed Ugrasena but even that was tenuous as Dwarka was just land citizens were all Bhoja Andhaka and Vrishni Yadava for whom only Krishna was eligible to be their chief. Hence story that Balram was actually Devaki's and therefore a vrishni Andhaka too. 

Were not Punjiksthala and Urvashi cursed Apsaras too? Why was curse not a problem for them?

Originally posted by: vyapti

Were not Punjiksthala and Urvashi cursed Apsaras too? Why was curse not a problem for them?

Urvashi was never cursed. She first had relationship with Mitra and Varuna and gave birth to Vashishtha and Agastya. She later entered into a consensual relationship with Pururavas son of Budha and had several children with him and later went back to Indra 

Punjakasthala was cursed to be a vanara or rather be with a vanara and took the name Anjana, she had Hanuman with Kesari and went back.  

Vanara tribes were liberal probably. 

Uparichara didn't have other daughters. 

Daughters were important instrument for political alliances. If Uparichara had other daughters he may have got them married to Santanu. She was the only one available. 

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Urvashi was never cursed. She first had relationship with Mitra and Varuna and gave birth to Vashishtha and Agastya. She later entered into a consensual relationship with Pururavas son of Budha and had several children with him and later went back to Indra 

Punjakasthala was cursed to be a vanara or rather be with a vanara and took the name Anjana, she had Hanuman with Kesari and went back.  

Vanara tribes were liberal probably. 

Uparichara didn't have other daughters. 

Daughters were important instrument for political alliances. If Uparichara had other daughters he may have got them married to Santanu. She was the only one available. 

Why did Uparichara accept Satyavati's brother but not her?