Tragedy diaries Duryodhan

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Posted: 1 months ago

Ok i just was making a fun post on Duryodhan in a thread and realized that his life was full of tragedies

Just thought of making a separate thread on it

1) Despite being a royal born prince, he could never become a king although his close friends who according to him were from humble backgrounds became kings

2) Despite being named Duryodhan, he literally lost to nearly everyone whom he confronted. Going by regional retellings and Srimad Bhagwatam He even during the Haran of his wife from Bhanumati Swayamwar, he couldn't do it on his own and needed Karna's help to defeat other kings

3) He went to the forest to insult the Pandavas and got arrested by Gandharvas only to be freed by the same Pandavas

4) None of his Commander in Chiefs actually fought for his victory.

5) His soulmate was obsessed for someone else

6) Everything that he won in the first game of dice was returned by his father without taking even asking for his opinion  (forget taking his approval)

7) All the TV shows make his character commit the sins which actually were committed by his best friend

8) He poisons Bheem out of hatred and he returns all the more healthy


Now to add a few real ones

1) His own uncle demanded for his killing at birth stating that birth was inauspicious, irrespective of how he turned out to be later, no one is a born evil and getting to know about the infanticide suggestions by own uncle would actually unstable the minds of anyone

2) He had to get his daughter married off to her molester (could be a reason why he hated Krishna more)

3) Had to witness the death of his beloved son. Correct me, but I don't think any Pandav had to bear that sorrowful sight, Karna surely had to, but going by his character, I doubt he had any love for him



Please add more

Posted: 1 months ago

Biggest tragedy of his life were his parents who were wrapped up with their on needs and issues to ever pay attention to him Had either dritrashtra or Gandhi taken an active effort in their kids life probably things wouldn't have gone as far as it did 

Posted: 1 months ago

My two cent psychoanalysis here... Sorry for the long post.


1. Pandu was born impotent. Just like Dhritrashtra was born blind. But unlike blindness, Pandu could hide it till he had two wives. After which he could not and hence had to cook up the story of curse and abdicate.


2. Dhritrashtra knew very well that only King chooses the next king. And the one bypassed has no rights whatsoever or his sons. He tells the same to Duryodhan before the war. And he had examples of his father's cousins somdatta and devapi's children who never got the throne after Vichitravirya died. Yet Duryodhan till Pandavas reached was under the impression that Throne was his. Why?


3. Because Bhishma, Kripa and Dhritrashtra presumed that impotent Pandu will adopt Duryodhan when he comes of age as his heir. They raise him with that presumption.


4. They made this presumption inspite of Pandu having Yudhishtir through Niyoga. Because they had no intention of accepting Yudhishtir. If they had accepted Yudhishtir as Pandu's son, Dhritrashtra would never fill  Duryodhan's mind with an impossible dream of being a king. No loving father would do that. Tell a child he will get sonethibg he cannot.

I beleive not just blind Dhritrashtra but Bhishma and Kripa initially and Drona after Pandavas forge alliance with Drupad wanted Duryodhan as King. Supported him with his whole heart. They just did not want Yudhishtir.


5. Duryodhan since he was born must have been raised as a future king by Bhishma and Kripa. Karna and Shakuni had no power till Duryodhan actually grew up. Dhritrashtra was blind. 


6. That is why Pandu didnt return as soon as he had children. Because he was not welcome back with them


7.  Sanyasis are not even cremated by their own children, forget state funeral.  Pandu died in the forest but instead of cremating him there, Kunti brought his remains to Hastinapur . She came with congregation of politically powerful rishis and brahmanas  and Bhishma was forced by Rishis to give Pandu a state funeral. Not just that. The rishis made a public proclamation of Pandavas being divine born heir of Pandu the king. This is very explicit in the text.


8. Unwilling Bhishma, Kripa and Dhritrashtra were forced to accept Pandavas.


9. Then poisoning happens. A 10 year old Dury cannot cook up this elaborate conspiracy. Shakuni and Karna (who was atleast 20 at the time) may have done it. But it is impossible that Bhishma and Kripa did not know. They knew and ignored it, because they supported Duryodhan. That is why with vidur's advice Kunti keeps quiet, but Yuyutsu is cultivated to be their spy


10.  Then Drona arrives and he takes a fancy to Arjun. As an excellent guru he realises Duryodhan with entire kuru army cannot avenge him but a properly trained Arjun can do it even alone. And he by refusing Karna throws his weight behind Arjun and Pandavas for the oath that Arjun takes to give him whatever gurudakshina he asks for


10. Lakshagriha. Citizens of Varnavrat openly declared that this was Dhritrashtra Dury conspiracy and that Bhishma and Kripa passively supported it. That is why Vidur's advice to lay low and find powerful allies just like Kunti did whEn Pandu died.


11. When Pandavas return this time they have Dwarka Panchal and Chedi by their side. Drona seeing Pandavas with Drupad also switches to kouravas.


12. But here too, Bhishma ensures through partition that Hastinapur stays with them and Pandavas get a barren IP, infested with robbers and  Nagas.


Duryodhan was raised to be the king of Hastinapur by Bhishma and Kripa and supported later by Ashwatthama and Drona.


Karna was with him to initially get back anga that belonged to his adoptive father's adhirath's family that Pandu had taken in his digvijay and later to get back at Kunti. He was aware or made aware at some point that Kunti was his mother. Shakuni and Dussasan were just his henchmen

Posted: 1 months ago

Originally posted by Chiillii


My two cent psychoanalysis here... Sorry for the long post.


1. Pandu was born impotent. Just like Dhritrashtra was born blind. But unlike blindness, Pandu could hide it till he had two wives. After which he could not and hence had to cook up the story of curse and abdicate.


2. Dhritrashtra knew very well that only King chooses the next king. And the one bypassed has no rights whatsoever or his sons. He tells the same to Duryodhan before the war. And he had examples of his father's cousins somdatta and devapi's children who never got the throne after Vichitravirya died. Yet Duryodhan till Pandavas reached was under the impression that Throne was his. Why?


3. Because Bhishma, Kripa and Dhritrashtra presumed that impotent Pandu will adopt Duryodhan when he comes of age as his heir. They raise him with that presumption.


4. They made this presumption inspite of Pandu having Yudhishtir through Niyoga. Because they had no intention of accepting Yudhishtir. If they had accepted Yudhishtir as Pandu's son, Dhritrashtra would never fill  Duryodhan's mind with an impossible dream of being a king. No loving father would do that. Tell a child he will get sonethibg he cannot.

I beleive not just blind Dhritrashtra but Bhishma and Kripa initially and Drona after Pandavas forge alliance with Drupad wanted Duryodhan as King. Supported him with his whole heart. They just did not want Yudhishtir.


5. Duryodhan since he was born must have been raised as a future king by Bhishma and Kripa. Karna and Shakuni had no power till Duryodhan actually grew up. Dhritrashtra was blind. 


6. That is why Pandu didnt return as soon as he had children. Because he was not welcome back with them


7.  Sanyasis are not even cremated by their own children, forget state funeral.  Pandu died in the forest but instead of cremating him there, Kunti brought his remains to Hastinapur . She came with congregation of politically powerful rishis and brahmanas  and Bhishma was forced by Rishis to give Pandu a state funeral. Not just that. The rishis made a public proclamation of Pandavas being divine born heir of Pandu the king. This is very explicit in the text.


8. Unwilling Bhishma, Kripa and Dhritrashtra were forced to accept Pandavas.


9. Then poisoning happens. A 10 year old Dury cannot cook up this elaborate conspiracy. Shakuni and Karna (who was atleast 20 at the time) may have done it. But it is impossible that Bhishma and Kripa did not know. They knew and ignored it, because they supported Duryodhan. That is why with vidur's advice Kunti keeps quiet, but Yuyutsu is cultivated to be their spy


10.  Then Drona arrives and he takes a fancy to Arjun. As an excellent guru he realises Duryodhan with entire kuru army cannot avenge him but a properly trained Arjun can do it even alone. And he by refusing Karna throws his weight behind Arjun and Pandavas for the oath that Arjun takes to give him whatever gurudakshina he asks for


10. Lakshagriha. Citizens of Varnavrat openly declared that this was Dhritrashtra Dury conspiracy and that Bhishma and Kripa passively supported it. That is why Vidur's advice to lay low and find powerful allies just like Kunti did whEn Pandu died.


11. When Pandavas return this time they have Dwarka Panchal and Chedi by their side. Drona seeing Pandavas with Drupad also switches to kouravas.


12. But here too, Bhishma ensures through partition that Hastinapur stays with them and Pandavas get a barren IP, infested with robbers and  Nagas.


Duryodhan was raised to be the king of Hastinapur by Bhishma and Kripa and supported later by Ashwatthama and Drona.


Karna was with him to initially get back anga that belonged to his adoptive father's adhirath's family that Pandu had taken in his digvijay and later to get back at Kunti. He was aware or made aware at some point that Kunti was his mother. Shakuni and Dussasan were just his henchmen

This actually makes me yearn for a show/movie/ novel that can make Mahabharata ripped off a its divine aspect solely based on all the politics that happened in different sectors of Aryavarth . Aryavarth chronicles is one but I want more of such treat i am greedy smiley36

Posted: 1 months ago

The divine interpolations are not able to hide the cut throat politics in the epic, if only someone reads the unabridged version of the epic and avoid plays, tv shows and recitations at satsangs.


When we read the epic, we read the actual dialogues given to charachters and the politics becomes very clear.


For eg. Just read Kunti's dialogue in the epics

1. when she discusses Niyoga with pandu. She is clearly discussing political legitimacy for her children. But TV serials and religious plays/satsangs make it a morality issue.

2.When Bhima returns after poisoning, her dialogue with Vidur, discussing their options.

3.In the potters hut her instructions to Yudhishtir. Her blessing to Draupadi after everyone agrees to polyandry in Drupad's palace

4. Before the war, her dialogue about Karna before she meets him, her instructions for her sons in the message to krishna.


Kunti was politically shrewd kingmaker  but everyone paints Satyavati a political shrew who was actually a mute tool for everyone around. 

Edited by Chiillii - 1 months ago
Posted: 1 months ago

Kunti manages to get Vidur on her side and through him Vidur's father Vyasa. Who was their main support and ally till the very end. 

I dont believe Vidur was involved in Niyoga. 

I think, he may have his anguish at being treated as a glorified servant inspite of being step brother. Kunti may have used his wife who was her relative to get through to him. 


Kunti may have cultivated him as an ally just like Yuyutsu was. Not treated at par with others for being born to a maid. 


Vyasa was pulled in initially for the love of his son and eventually to ensure he has a say in the way things turn out. 


Was it Dwaipayana who composed Jaya or the Jaya that Dwaipayana composed made him Vyasa. 

Posted: 1 months ago

Originally posted by Chiillii


My two cent psychoanalysis here... Sorry for the long post.


1. Pandu was born impotent. Just like Dhritrashtra was born blind. But unlike blindness, Pandu could hide it till he had two wives. After which he could not and hence had to cook up the story of curse and abdicate.


2. Dhritrashtra knew very well that only King chooses the next king. And the one bypassed has no rights whatsoever or his sons. He tells the same to Duryodhan before the war. And he had examples of his father's cousins somdatta and devapi's children who never got the throne after Vichitravirya died. Yet Duryodhan till Pandavas reached was under the impression that Throne was his. Why?


3. Because Bhishma, Kripa and Dhritrashtra presumed that impotent Pandu will adopt Duryodhan when he comes of age as his heir. They raise him with that presumption.


4. They made this presumption inspite of Pandu having Yudhishtir through Niyoga. Because they had no intention of accepting Yudhishtir. If they had accepted Yudhishtir as Pandu's son, Dhritrashtra would never fill  Duryodhan's mind with an impossible dream of being a king. No loving father would do that. Tell a child he will get sonethibg he cannot.

I beleive not just blind Dhritrashtra but Bhishma and Kripa initially and Drona after Pandavas forge alliance with Drupad wanted Duryodhan as King. Supported him with his whole heart. They just did not want Yudhishtir.


5. Duryodhan since he was born must have been raised as a future king by Bhishma and Kripa. Karna and Shakuni had no power till Duryodhan actually grew up. Dhritrashtra was blind. 


6. That is why Pandu didnt return as soon as he had children. Because he was not welcome back with them


7.  Sanyasis are not even cremated by their own children, forget state funeral.  Pandu died in the forest but instead of cremating him there, Kunti brought his remains to Hastinapur . She came with congregation of politically powerful rishis and brahmanas  and Bhishma was forced by Rishis to give Pandu a state funeral. Not just that. The rishis made a public proclamation of Pandavas being divine born heir of Pandu the king. This is very explicit in the text.


8. Unwilling Bhishma, Kripa and Dhritrashtra were forced to accept Pandavas.


9. Then poisoning happens. A 10 year old Dury cannot cook up this elaborate conspiracy. Shakuni and Karna (who was atleast 20 at the time) may have done it. But it is impossible that Bhishma and Kripa did not know. They knew and ignored it, because they supported Duryodhan. That is why with vidur's advice Kunti keeps quiet, but Yuyutsu is cultivated to be their spy


10.  Then Drona arrives and he takes a fancy to Arjun. As an excellent guru he realises Duryodhan with entire kuru army cannot avenge him but a properly trained Arjun can do it even alone. And he by refusing Karna throws his weight behind Arjun and Pandavas for the oath that Arjun takes to give him whatever gurudakshina he asks for


10. Lakshagriha. Citizens of Varnavrat openly declared that this was Dhritrashtra Dury conspiracy and that Bhishma and Kripa passively supported it. That is why Vidur's advice to lay low and find powerful allies just like Kunti did whEn Pandu died.


11. When Pandavas return this time they have Dwarka Panchal and Chedi by their side. Drona seeing Pandavas with Drupad also switches to kouravas.


12. But here too, Bhishma ensures through partition that Hastinapur stays with them and Pandavas get a barren IP, infested with robbers and  Nagas.


Duryodhan was raised to be the king of Hastinapur by Bhishma and Kripa and supported later by Ashwatthama and Drona.


Karna was with him to initially get back anga that belonged to his adoptive father's adhirath's family that Pandu had taken in his digvijay and later to get back at Kunti. He was aware or made aware at some point that Kunti was his mother. Shakuni and Dussasan were just his henchmen

I like this analysis and has way too much chance to be true, but I have a few doubts

Pandu hadn't taken Sanyasa, he went only for penance of his supposed crime. He had to return once the  was complete, so why shouldn't he get a state funeral.


If Pandu already got Yudhishtir( which I truly think was from Vidur) and Bheem, then why would Bheeshm or Kripacharya believe that adoption of Duryodhan was even an option for him? Unless they were sure that if at any time Pandu putras try to get into the kingdom, they will be defeated by Bheeshm. 


Plus why didn't Bheeshm like Pandavas as king? Was it because they were born out of Niyog?? They how come did he accept Dhritrashtra Pandu?

Why would Yuyutsu side the Pandavas over his own half brothers? Did they give him some step treatment? Or was that a DasiPutra connect between Yuyutsu and Vidur


Could it be that Bheem was actually cruel at Kauravas and it wasn't a child play. 

It seems highly improbable that Pandavas since childhood got ample spies which even Bheeshm n Kripa couldn't beat. Aside for them getting these kids killed was very easy why didn't they actively participate instead asking a child to do all the planning


I definitely agree on Drona part, Drupad and Pandavas alliance did affect him, but why did others, if they were favouring Duryodhan, agree for Yudhishtir as Yuvraj before Varnavrat, Pandavas didn't have much public support till then


Karna's point I don't understand at all, what exactly was he planning for?? If it was only to get back Anga and Malini, then how would buttering, siding or yes-manning a prince help him. Kings dont go on donating states, and remember he did not get Anga as a vassal state/Kshatrap state but with full autonomy. How did he think they will just donate him his lost kingdom

Aside if he somehow got to know about Kunti, then was he acting as a spy to her? Or else how did his getting to know about lineage make any Change? Why did he spare Yudhishtir's arrest especially since it could have got the win to Duryodhan



Rest I agree to most of it. Things are not as simple as is told to us, but that happens with history

Edited by FlauntPessimism - 1 months ago

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