Yudhisthira vs Duryodhana: The Legitimacy of the Claim to Throne - Page 3

Yudhistar was like that he use to love all his brother even he use to love kaurav very much so he could not refuse

Yudhistar was such character who don't like to harm anybody even his enemy

And if he did mistakes he do feel guilty

Originally posted by: surabhi01

Yudhistar was like that he use to love all his brother even he use to love kaurav very much so he could not refuse

Yudhistar was such character who don't like to harm anybody even his enemy

And if he did mistakes he do feel guilty

Not refuse? Did someone ask him to stake Indraprasth? No. He did that on his own, and never did he repent this act.

You can't lose your wife as a slave woman and expect her to be treated as a family girl

And yudhistar did repent that he will not raise weapon when he put draupadi in stake

Even after return from exile pandav only want 5 village not kingdom

In gambling yudhistar did stake himself too

But did duryodhan has type of courage that he can stake himself in gambling ?

Even duryodhan was not man of words he say to father that if pandav win he will go to vanvaas but in reality he don't want to go vanvaas if pandav win

Duryodhan has so much arrogant only because of Gandhari special power

That where Gandhhari look duryodhan body duryodhan body will become vajra

And he did go to Gandhari and Gandhari open her eyes to make duryodhan body vajra so that he could not defeat by bhim

Only due to special power of Gandhari he is insist on war

Duryodhan was really dishonest

Pandav want to compromise with kaurav pandav only want five village from not kingdom but still duryodhan was not satisfy

Duryodhan was never satisfy that was his another major fault

Originally posted by: surabhi01

And yudhistar did repent that he will not raise weapon when he put draupadi in stake

Even after return from exile pandav only want 5 village not kingdom

In gambling yudhistar did stake himself too

But did duryodhan has type of courage that he can stake himself in gambling ?

Even duryodhan was not man of words he say to father that if pandav win he will go to vanvaas but in reality he don't want to go vanvaas if pandav win

Duryodhan has so much arrogant only because of Gandhari special power

That where Gandhhari look duryodhan body duryodhan body will become vajra

And he did go to Gandhari and Gandhari open her eyes to make duryodhan body vajra so that he could not defeat by bhim

Only due to special power of Gandhari he is insist on war

Duryodhan was really dishonest

That's the only point here? Why did Yudhishtir stake himself or his brothers or his wife or even his kingdom? That's not courage that's simply a sin. You are making your family slaves just for a game. You are staking your kingdom which you are bound to protect from any foreign attack. There can be no justification for this anyday.

Yes his opponents were worse and bigger sinners and this fact did hide his sin, but otherwise this is something which doesn't have any justification

Coming to 2nd dice game, we have no idea what Duryodhan would have done had he lost so will not comment here.

The five villages thing again has a loophole. Duryodhan had asked for 12 years Vanwaas and 1 year Agyatwaas if during this time they were found then they punishment would restart. He did not mention the way to calculate year. When their identity was revealed it was 13 years as per lunal calendar but a few days were remaining as per the solar calendar, basis this Duryodhan said that Pandavas didn't fulfill the requirements but Pandavas said that they did.

That Vajra deh thing wasn't some kind of unique. Everyone there had one or the other boon, Shikandi had the boon to be cause of Bheeshm's death, Dhrishtadhyum was born as the result of a Yagya done to give birth to the slainer of Dronacharya. Bheem himself had got the power of 8 elephants by eating 8 fruits while he was thrown into the water after being poisoned in the childhood.

P.S. that power by Gandhari was given to him on the 17th day of the war just before his direct combat with Bheem. So that power was not the cause of him insisting for the war.

Duryodhan could have been a capable ruler, but if it was MERIT first, who decides who is meritous? Who decides what is merit? These terms are subjective.

For example, we know of many kings who are bad human beings but good rules. So what exactly is merit? Administrative skills, or skills of dharma/being a good human being?

Duryodhana might have had administrative skills, but this was not democracy but monarchy. In monarchy, as per the law of primogeniture, the eldest son of the KING becomes a king no?

In case of Dhritarashtra and Pandu, this was an exceptional case. When he was denied kingship I don't think it was done due to merit (we cannot consider a physical disability as part of merit). He was blind and as per the laws of the state, a blind man could not have been a king because he simply would be incapable of ruling. It is harsh but that makes sense. This doesn't make him any less capable in administrative skills. Pandu was also ill but he did not lack a sense organ and hence he was made king. I don't think Pandu was chosen because he was a more able king.

How is blindness, deafness etc be part of merit?

Ok yudhistar did mistakes but he feel guilty and did repent

But ever duryodhan feel guilty and repent ?

And why to use Gandhari power even in 17 th day war. Duryodhan should have believed in his own power till end of Mahabharata war

Five village is not loop holes. After completing 12 years exile and 1 years agyatvas pandav come to hastinapur and said they didn't want fight and they don't want even kingdom they just want five village

Originally posted by: surabhi01

Five village is not loop holes. After completing 12 years exile and 1 years agyatvas pandav come to hastinapur and said they didn't want fight and they don't want even kingdom they just want five village

I told you the loophole according to Duryodhan the Agyatwaas wasn't over that was the whole point of discussion there

And Yudhishtir didn't repent having staking his brothers and family. Plus that wasn't a mistake. It was a sin

No doubt Duryodhan was much bigger a sinner so he seemed better. But in absolute terms he was not a good king either

This is udhyog parva come after virat parva

In virat parva agyatvas is mention

And after virat parva udhyog parva come mean effort to make peace is mention

So here link of udhyog parva where yudhistar send Lord Krishna as peace ambassador to duryodhan

. That pandav will get satisfy with five villages

https://www.hindisahityadarpan.in/2017/04/udyog-parv-mahabharat-stories-in-hindi.html?m=1

Originally posted by: surabhi01

This is udhyog parva come after virat parva

In virat parva agyatvas is mention

And after virat parva udhyog parva come mean effort to make peace is mention

So here link of udhyog parva where yudhistar send Lord Krishna as peace ambassador to duryodhan

. That pandav will get satisfy with five villages

https://www.hindisahityadarpan.in/2017/04/udyog-parv-mahabharat-stories-in-hindi.html?m=1

When did I say Yudhishtir didn't send a peace message? Everyone knows about it, I am saying there was a loophole in Agyatwaas calculation, due to which Duryodhan claimed that they had found Pandavas before Agyatwaas period for over. Please read my reply again