My Question for Krishna - Page 5

Interesting discussion you guys have going on here. 👍🏼

What to say about the RK writers and their continued random crappola!

It is unfortunate enough that they over-fictionalise known stories from the mythology/literature/folktales so much when the known stories are already so dramatic and interesting that they don't need adulteration for entertainment purposes. I get that the writers/makers feel the need to make their storyline "different" and want to show new "interpretations" - ok - but fictionalisation can still be done in a good, logical, respectful way.

The writers are certainly creative, coming up with some very strange situations and characterisations, but their creativity is really weirdly misguided! Fictionalising/inventing stories is one thing, but the fact that they treat characters based on revered and divine beings horribly, characterise them inconsistently and make them look downright stupid and evil at times, and make them do illogical things and give out some downright dangerous messages at times is quite horrible! Forget divinity, often they miss treating the characters with basic human dignity!

Some major ingredients in any story are logic and whether what is being presented is sensible/believable. We as viewers can see that a lot of what is shown is illogical and sometimes downright stupid, and it is actually quite worrying that the writers/makers can't see that themselves!

Originally posted by: A-A-S

Interesting discussion you guys have going on here. 👍🏼

What to say about the RK writers and their continued random crappola!

It is unfortunate enough that they over-fictionalise known stories from the mythology/literature/folktales so much when the known stories are already so dramatic and interesting that they don't need adulteration for entertainment purposes. I get that the writers/makers feel the need to make their storyline "different" and want to show new "interpretations" - ok - but fictionalisation can still be done in a good, logical, respectful way.

The writers are certainly creative, coming up with some very strange situations and characterisations, but their creativity is really weirdly misguided! Fictionalising/inventing stories is one thing, but the fact that they treat characters based on revered and divine beings horribly, characterise them inconsistently and make them look downright stupid and evil at times, and make them do illogical things and give out some downright dangerous messages at times is quite horrible! Forget divinity, often they miss treating the characters with basic human dignity!

Some major ingredients in any story are logic and whether what is being presented is sensible/believable. We as viewers can see that a lot of what is shown is illogical and sometimes downright stupid, and it is actually quite worrying that the writers/makers can't see that themselves!

The last para sums it all up ..... 👏👏

Originally posted by: A-A-S

Interesting discussion you guys have going on here. 👍🏼

What to say about the RK writers and their continued random crappola!

It is unfortunate enough that they over-fictionalise known stories from the mythology/literature/folktales so much when the known stories are already so dramatic and interesting that they don't need adulteration for entertainment purposes. I get that the writers/makers feel the need to make their storyline "different" and want to show new "interpretations" - ok - but fictionalisation can still be done in a good, logical, respectful way.

The writers are certainly creative, coming up with some very strange situations and characterisations, but their creativity is really weirdly misguided! Fictionalising/inventing stories is one thing, but the fact that they treat characters based on revered and divine beings horribly, characterise them inconsistently and make them look downright stupid and evil at times, and make them do illogical things and give out some downright dangerous messages at times is quite horrible! 

Forget divinity, often they miss treating the characters with basic human dignity!

Some major ingredients in any story are logic and whether what is being presented is sensible/believable. We as viewers can see that a lot of what is shown is illogical and sometimes downright stupid, and it is actually quite worrying that the writers/makers can't see that themselves!

Well said !! 👍🏼

@bold. That's what I have been saying. That putting everything aside---- the lackluster of spirituality and divinity, the over fictionalized mythos---- I was ready to let go of everything, only if they had maintained atleast a minimal human character consistency. I would have been more than ok with a Krishna with character flaws if they hadn't glamorized it from time to time. But they keep saying that they are teaching us love !!!! I am not a teen. I have seen some life and I have crossed path with guys like Krishna. It's not very desirable in real time. Creative liberty would have been ok. Using 'just a show' card would have been ok. But first doing that and then keeping doing all those self contradictory deeds in the name of Anant Prem, birah, Prem sikhana and then justifying those actions at the end through Krishna vaani----- this whole package. Life has taught me love and what I learnt was to stay away from guys like that. The problem is teenage girls keep watching these shows and toxic guys like Krishna is easily available in the real world. Just that other shows keep it under a dramatic tone but this one openly declared itself as a love school, frequently uses divine words such as Narayan and keep asking people to act accordingly. The Krishna vaanis are not always bad but they are like riddles which can be easily misinterpreted by young adults. Don't get me wrong. May be there are teens in this conversation as well but then they are more mature than most of the people from their age. I believe as adults, we have certain responsibility towards the society and so do the writers.

Creative liberty is acceptable only until they are maintaining creative responsibility.

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

 Are the creatives trying to unfold the fault lines of tradition or introducing modernity to their relationship in love to give it a  contemporary look??  It seems , they are trying to weave a triangle of desire through Radha's lack of desire for Ayan and her growing desire to be nearer to Krishna all the time listening to his flute tunes and , Krishna's spiritual[ ] desire to teach Radha about every aspect of mythology in his teaching sessions and that Ayan's strong desire to kill Radha and Krishna ---ophh ...at present they are dealing with a complicated issue !!  

 Agree with you regarding their making the highly romantic story, a protagonist  Radha's story as a misogynistic one!  The main point here is, they are trying to project it as Prem Sikhana but dealing  this story from a different angle, from a confused spiritual angle, but they eschew biologically reductive understanding of her desire, the desire for love, including respect, compassion, mutuality, and pleasure, but they made her as a puppet in the hands of her father  for a while, then that spiritual teacher Krishna whom she allowed to cure her illusory Badhas for long and then that boons and vachans and decisions were taken by all-male society Vrish-- Ugra --Krish and Ayan !!! But they failed to realize that  they have to deal with female desire more holistically within women’s emotional universe, instead, they have given  hegemonic discourses of culture to her through Krishna  and the gendered politics of the everyday life, this understanding of desire holds within it at once the possibilities of patriarchal collusion and critical-feminist resistance from the viewers!! This definition of love is  not convincingly appealing to the viewers now.  This  is the story of a woman, Radha, at present who is married to one man but desires another. 

 Krishna is regarded as the purna avatar or complete incarnation because he embodies all the attributes of the ideal, well-rounded personality. A very important aspect of this ideal personality is that of the accomplished lover, Krishna is the lover-God, capable of both feeling and invoking sexual desire[ though there is a point to ponder regarding this issue] This seemingly ‘profane’ attribute of a sacred god-figure begins to be comprehensible when seen in the larger context of Hinduism's Four Cardinal Principles --- dharma, artha, kaama, and moksha. The role of Kaama or desire is thus enshrined within the socio-religious order itself, and is not seen as extrinsic to it. However, it is certainly the case that desire, although very much validated, is certainly also regulated that point we must not forget. But Radha was a feminist at the core,[ that is my strong opinion]  she never bothered about the ethics or morals of that time, her life and love revolved around Krishna only, she lived with her Krishna as far as he was there in Brindavan, when he left to Mathura , she simply  prefered to slip to time's oblivion , in to her penance for her Krishna! If Krishna was the God of love , Radha was passion personified!  Radha’s position as Krishna’s lover is clearly in defiance of society’s norms,  in comparison to other key Hindu goddesses such as Sita, whose devotion to their men is very much in keeping with societal mores, Radha, therefore, seems to stand out as an anomaly, an improbable ‘feminist’ icon within mainstream mythology who challenges the very bedrock of patriarchy through her provocative -- open declaration of Love for her Krishna. 

Sorry for the lengthy post , but I want to express my feelings/dissatisfaction regarding this misrepresented characters in this serial. 

Its amazing how much knowledge you have about this subject! You write beautifullyyy!👏👏 Take a bow!👍🏼

As far as, the show is concerned, i always felt, after the 1st badha, the makers lost their core ethic! Till then, they were focused on showing a QUALITY product, after they reached their desired SO CALLED popularity, their focus was only BUISNESS! More the MASALA, more the TRP was their one and only thought!

Its useless to even except from a daily soap, that it would have any authenticity. Its a pure work of fiction, except the names of the characters.

The main problem here is, Indian television is driven by ONLY female oriented shows, so the makers knew, they somehow need to keep radha as THE CENTRE of attraction. But here comes the twist. In other serials, its very easy to show the male protagonist, dumb and crazy, but here they are dealing with THE SUPREME PERSONALITY of GODHEAD, KRISHNA VAASUDEV.😆

So the million dollar question is, how to glorify radha by not making krishna dumb?

Socho socho!😆

YES! By making balram dumb instead(ek toh MALE character DUMB hona mangta hai na!😆), and 'CHIPKOFYING' radha somehow, everywhere!😆She makes every demon, powerless, She's the ultimate HELP krishna has, to kill even a 'macchar' etc etc. Fir woh, krishna ki puppet hi kyu na lage, radha ke upar se, limelight nai hatna chahiye!😆

So by this, 'ek teer se, do nishaane'

Radha ko non-sensical hi sahi, screenspace toh mil rha hai, aur krishna toh hai hi, 'puppetmaster' PROBLEM SOLVED!😆

Now, in between all this TRP ka khel, they are least bothered, ki 'kya message jaa rha', 'Show ka quality' hai, ya nai hai, everything is redundant.

So i believe, everyone watching the show, should watch it, as if watching a contemporary drama. 

Originally posted by: J2lover

Its amazing how much knowledge you have about this subject! You write beautifullyyy!👏👏 Take a bow!👍🏼

As far as, the show is concerned, i always felt, after the 1st badha, the makers lost their core ethic! Till then, they were focused on showing a QUALITY product, after they reached their desired SO CALLED popularity, their focus was only BUISNESS! More the MASALA, more the TRP was their one and only thought!

Its useless to even except from a daily soap, that it would have any authenticity. Its a pure work of fiction, except the names of the characters.

The main problem here is, Indian television is driven by ONLY female oriented shows, so the makers knew, they somehow need to keep radha as THE CENTRE of attraction. But here comes the twist. In other serials, its very easy to show the male protagonist, dumb and crazy, but here they are dealing with THE SUPREME PERSONALITY of GODHEAD, KRISHNA VAASUDEV.😆

So the million dollar question is, how to glorify radha by not making krishna dumb?

Socho socho!😆

YES! By making balram dumb instead(ek toh MALE character DUMB hona mangta hai na!😆), and 'CHIPKOFYING' radha somehow, everywhere!😆She makes every demon, powerless, She's the ultimate HELP krishna has, to kill even a 'macchar' etc etc. Fir woh, krishna ki puppet hi kyu na lage, radha ke upar se, limelight nai hatna chahiye!😆

So by this, 'ek teer se, do nishaane'

Radha ko non-sensical hi sahi, screenspace toh mil rha hai, aur krishna toh hai hi, 'puppetmaster' PROBLEM SOLVED!😆

Now, in between all this TRP ka khel, they are least bothered, ki 'kya message jaa rha', 'Show ka quality' hai, ya nai hai, everything is redundant.

So i believe, everyone watching the show, should watch it, as if watching a contemporary drama. 

Totally!!! Dont ever connect/compare/relate the characters in this show to our culture or to our God's or Goddesses!!

Originally posted by: stormborn

@bold. That is why my heart is crying for sishu. Sishu ke sarr Katt pare and Ayan Ko Mili daddy dearest ki daant.

Jokes apart..... I only brought sishupal's name Because what Sishupal and rukmi did with Rukmini was somewhat similar to what ugra and Ayan did to Radha. Sishu wanted to marry Rukmini because of his lustrous desire towards her and rukmi tried to make it happen in unethical means because of his own greed and selfishness even though he knew that Sishupal was evil and Rukmini wasn't ready to marry him. During Krish-mini wedding, Krish had known her just for half a day. Still he almost killed Rukmi because he tried to create obstructions in their way due to his evil intentions and he beheaded Sishupal.

I am assuming Radha is much more special than his newly wed wife whom he had known only for 50% of a day. Still he is letting those jerks torture her mentally, physically and emotionally day after day. He let her marry in that family even though he knew everything whereas Radha was completely in dark. 

This self contradictory behaviour from Krishna is really hard to digest. I was still silent and tried to forget this abomination. But volcano again erupted when Krishna called ugra the most virtuous man of Barsana and Ayan to be redeemable. Ugra is a murder accomplice dammit !! What does the writer want !? Are they taunting us or something ? I can understand that the marriage track was needed  ( from the creatives' pov) to justify the extramarital. If the husband and in laws are not evil and the marriage is normal, then even they couldn't have called their adultery 'Anant prem'. But why was that punyavan Ugrapad scene needed ? And then making Ugrapad happy by telling him Krish has gone bonkers !!!!??!!? So that's punya in krish's opinion ? Being happy in someone else's adolescent son is virtue !? WHY ? 

Btw Ayan is redeemable. So he is never going to be punished. He will overnight become an angel after getting completely whitewashed. 

Radha tolerates every bratty behaviour from Ayan and obeys his every scream kyunki pata ka haq hai. She even let the viagra fruit plan go. I don't know how much misogynistic it can get under the wrapper of pseudo feminism. This is unacceptable and beyond redemption.

Though I am an ardent fan and worshipper of the purity, divinity, intensity, romance, and myth associated with the Radha-Krishna's love saga, there is always one thing that bothered me about Krishna's decision to part with her towards the later part of their lives... how can a God be helpless and leave his most beloved person behind and never looked back? How could a person who doled equal amount of love, respect and care to all his wives, be unable to do a little for the love of his life, his Pranadhika Radhika? -----Was he helpless and incapable only when it came to Radha? No, he wasn't!  I firmly believe that Krishna, the God of love, never separated from his Radha! She was always with him and he carried her in his heart; in all circumstances, she walked with him, holding his hand as his guiding force; though invisible to the human eye, together they were till eternity.  

No other goddess combines the elements of Bhakti and Shringara quite as exquisitely as this divine milkmaid! Radha spans a vivid rainbow of imagery from the playfulness of Raas Leela to the soulfulness of her undying love for Him. This is the eternal story of the mysterious Radha, the epitome of love, who defied all conventional codes, yet transcended social prohibitions through the power of her spiritual and metaphysical love.  [ EXCERPTS from my story --Together We Are Timeless]

Radha, the bucolic milkmaid, followed the dictates of her heart, her instincts, her passion, to seek union with her innermost self, her Krishna! She was her own mistress even in the act of surrender to her beloved! And it is this aspect of her identity that is worshipped since ages. This is my Radha whom I worship, that is the main reason behind my expressions of pain and dissatisfaction!

I don’t really know where this post of mine belongs but I think it fits here the best 😆 since this seems the place to be with some of the rants.

I think one big thing that bothered me was right after the Kurma avatar and Vishnu and Lakshmi met again. When Radha asked what happened to the amrit Krishn said it DIDNT MATTER. That Lakshmi was the only amrit Vishnu needed.

Lol what even wasn’t the amrit story pretty important. Like if the devthas didn’t get it that would have been a huge problem. That’s even why the Mohini avatar was taken right? I am not crazy here right?

Yes it is super romantic that the only amrit for Vishnu was Lakshmi but that makes him seem super selfish that after getting Lakshmi he just left the devas in their own. 🤣

I think the thing that sucks is that people believe what they are seeing is the whole truth. So what ever is being shown here some people may believe to be true. I hope that’s not the case. 😒But what about the little kids out there they might grow up with this show thinking all that’s shown is 100% true. They won’t want to go and watch the 90s or any previous version or read the original stories. Maybe if they live in India they might learn something but for the people in other countries. They will believe this is true I really hope that’s not true but I know some family friends watching this show who seem to believe the show is showing the truth they had never seen

Idk guys idk what CVs is up too.

Originally posted by: Janu808

I don’t really know where this post of mine belongs but I think it fits here the best 😆 since this seems the place to be with some of the rants.

I think one big thing that bothered me was right after the Kurma avatar and Vishnu and Lakshmi met again. When Radha asked what happened to the amrit Krishn said it DIDNT MATTER. That Lakshmi was the only amrit Vishnu needed.

Lol what even wasn’t the amrit story pretty important. Like if the devthas didn’t get it that would have been a huge problem. That’s even why the Mohini avatar was taken right? I am not crazy here right?

Yes it is super romantic that the only amrit for Vishnu was Lakshmi 

but that makes him seem super selfish

-- yes 💯. I thought the same. 

 that after getting Lakshmi he just left the devas in their own. 🤣

I think the thing that sucks is that people believe what they are seeing is the whole truth. So what ever is being shown here some people may believe to be true. I hope that’s not the case. 😒But what about the little kids out there they might grow up with this show thinking all that’s shown is 100% true. They won’t want to go and watch the 90s or any previous version or read the original stories. Maybe if they live in India they might learn something but for the people in other countries. They will believe this is true I really hope that’s not true but I know some family friends watching this show who seem to believe the show is showing the truth they had never seen

Idk guys idk what CVs is up too.

In the makers' defence, the puranas didn't have any legal copyright. So they are rewriting the puranas. There's a new show coming which is about Mahadev and Narayan's friendship. But it's based on Kaliyuga and Narayan and Mahadeva are having some sort of midlife crisis resulting to a friendship break up. So pretty sure it's going to be 100% fictionalized considering there are not many mythological stories based on the Kaliyuga timeline. This is the new era guys !!!!! Enjoy !!!!

Next time UPSC asks who wrote Mahabharata or Bhagvat Puran, mark the answer to be Swastik Productions. 

Originally posted by: Janu808

I don’t really know where this post of mine belongs but I think it fits here the best  since this seems the place to be with some of the rants.

I think one big thing that bothered me was right after the Kurma avatar and Vishnu and Lakshmi met again. When Radha asked what happened to the amrit Krishn said it DIDNT MATTER. That Lakshmi was the only amrit Vishnu needed.

Lol what even wasn’t the amrit story pretty important. Like if the devthas didn’t get it that would have been a huge problem. That’s even why the Mohini avatar was taken right? I am not crazy here right?

Yes it is super romantic that the only amrit for Vishnu was Lakshmi but that makes him seem super selfish that after getting Lakshmi he just left the devas in their own. 

I think the thing that sucks is that people believe what they are seeing is the whole truth. So what ever is being shown here some people may believe to be true. I hope that’s not the case. But what about the little kids out there they might grow up with this show thinking all that’s shown is 100% true. They won’t want to go and watch the 90s or any previous version or read the original stories. Maybe if they live in India they might learn something but for the people in other countries. They will believe this is true I really hope that’s not true but I know some family friends watching this show who seem to believe the show is showing the truth they had never seen

Idk guys idk what CVs is up too.

I too thought Mohini was a avatar. So I googled. All sites are saying that the avtars are----- matsya, Kurma, barah, nrisingha, bamana, Rama, parasurama, krishna, balarama/Buddha, Kalki.

The 9th one is not clarified anywhere. This people have already shown balarama as seshnag. So they can't show him as Vishnu. And if it's Buddha, well I don't know why a Narayan incarnation would create another religion other than Hinduism. According to some scholars, the Brahmanical society created the myth of Buddha being Vishnu's incarnation to merge Buddhism with Hinduism as buddism was spreading rapidly and they felt insecure. Anyway we don't need to bother about that here because Radha has to cover only 7 steps. Therefore only 7 incarnations are to be shown. They will stop after parsuram. They didn't show the Amrit story because that didn't include any Krishna incarnation as Mohini is not being considered here.

Now I know very less about mythology. So Madhuri (viswashruti ) is the right person to clarify this. Though I think Swastik people are just following Wikipedia and wiki doesn't include Mohini. 

Originally posted by: J2lover

 

Its amazing how much knowledge you have about this subject! You write beautifullyyy!👏👏 Take a bow!👍🏼

Thank you J for these kind words.🤗

As far as, the show is concerned, i always felt, after the 1st badha, the makers lost their core ethic! Till then, they were focused on showing a QUALITY product, after they reached their desired SO CALLED popularity, their focus was only BUISNESS! More the MASALA, more the TRP was their one and only thought!----

How dare they induced such unnecessary badhas into the mind / life of Radha, the tender-hearted eternal lover??😲 This itself is a weird idea, unacceptable to many! Ritualistically for nearly 6 months or so , Krishna tried to redeem Radha , left aside that cruel Ayan and crooked Jatila scotch free to plunder  Radha and her family's peace with their blunder after blunder ?!! At this stage of his life Krishna wasn't a preacher, and never  to Radha, he was a surrendered Divine lover to her fond love, abdicated his Supreme Being status to rest his head on her heart for a while, prior to plunging into the main mission of his incarnation, i.e, the extinction of sin, to establish love and compassion on earth! For him, Radha was none other than the reflection of his own self! By projecting her as a dumb headed teenager with all sorts of badhas and haziness is very painful to watch!

It's useless to even except from a daily soap, that it would have any authenticity. Its a pure work of fiction, except the names of the characters.

It is beyond a fictional story  J.  the whole serial has nothing to do with Radha and Krishna, it's purely a joke and mental torture!  The moment they made Ayan a childhood friend of Radha who was closer than Krishna all the time, the moment they made Kans a dumb headed King who can order Devtas and manipulate Rishivars and send all the funny looking Asurs to torture Radha, they lost the status of a fictional serial .... it is nothing but a mockery of Mytho stories! 

Well I can give few reasons for its popularity -

The main problem here is, Indian television is driven by ONLY female oriented shows, so the makers knew, they somehow need to keep radha as THE CENTRE of attraction. But here comes the twist. In other serials, its very easy to show the male protagonist, dumb and crazy, but here they are dealing with THE SUPREME PERSONALITY of GODHEAD, KRISHNA VAASUDEV.😆

Loved this logical analysis and fully agree with your opinion!😃 

So the million dollar question is, how to glorify radha by not making krishna dumb?

Socho socho!😆

YES! By making balram dumb instead(ek toh MALE character DUMB hona mangta hai na!😆), and 'CHIPKOFYING' radha somehow, everywhere!😆She makes every demon, powerless, She's the ultimate HELP krishna has, to kill even a 'macchar' etc etc. Fir woh, krishna ki puppet hi kyu na lage, radha ke upar se, limelight nai hatna chahiye!😆

So by this, 'ek teer se, do nishaane'

Radha ko non-sensical hi sahi, screenspace toh mil rha hai, aur krishna toh hai hi, 'puppetmaster' PROBLEM SOLVED!😆

Now, in between all this TRP ka khel, they are least bothered, ki 'kya message jaa rha', 'Show ka quality' hai, ya nai hai, everything is redundant.

So i believe, everyone watching the show, should watch it, as if watching a contemporary drama.