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Thank you Arunsunita for the lovely pictures. Thanks a lot.
Thank you Partha, Unmesha,Divu,Bulbulswt and many of my readers who came here to read the story. I am humbled.


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Marriage is the occasion of the first big and socially accepted commitment between two people. The two human beings who expect a life together with dreams and many prospects come together and through the exchange of the varmala become one. The concept of varmala is as old as the Indian civilization.

Several details of garlands and Varlama ceremony can be traced back to ancient Indian epics, where not just humans, but even gods and goddesses have the Varmaala ceremony before marriage. This proves that Varmala exchange is a ritual that was part of the Vedic culture.

The ritual started in prehistoric times when husbands were chosen in "Swayamvar. In swayamvar, it is said that a list of suitors would be invited and when the girl from the list of suitors would chose her husband she wishes for she would garland him. This ritual is called varmala.. It is an important ritual in Hindu matrimonial ceremony since it is the first ritual which signifies that socially the bride has accepted groom as her husband.

There are different types of Swayamvaras .
1 The bride chooses the groom. Damayanti swayamvara, Kunti swayamvar falls under this type. The bride's choice is final. And the garland...it validates the choice of the bride. When Damayanti entered with the garland, she saw five Nalas before her.As per some rationalists the garlanding hardly matters. But in a swayamvar it holds significance. If by mistake Damayanti places the garland round the neck of one of the gods Of quarters instead of Nala ,she could never be the wife of Nala whom she loved.

In another type of Swayamvara the bride is called Virya Sulka one who demands valour as dowry..Sita ,Draupadi,Lakshana...the list continues.

Rama lifted Siva Dhanush and met with the requirement. Ofcourse the dhanush broke in that process. Sita placed the garland and accepted him as her husband.

Arjun hit the fish target and won Draupadi. In the assembly of Drupada Panchali placed the garland round Arjun's neck and accepted him as her husband.

Krishna beholding the mark shot and beholding Partha also like unto Indra himself, who had shot the mark, was filled with joy, and approached the son of Kunti with a white robe and a garland of flowers. And Arjuna the accomplisher of inconceivable feats, having won Draupadi by his success in the amphitheatre, was saluted with reverence by all the Brahmanas. And he soon after left the lists followed close by her who thus became his wife.'"

Clearly it is mentioned she became his wife by then.

But ofcourse destiny changed everything. Draupadi was shared..a wife was shared among five. Arjun's wife was shared.
When she came to the hut with him she already became his wife. For Hindus garlanding matters. Hence Vyasa used the word Patni wife for Draupadi.

A new trend has started where Draupadi is acknowledged as Yudhishtir's wife whom he shared with his brothers.

I would like like to ask who is he to share Draupadi..
She belonged to Arjun. He shared his wife with his brothers. But point to be noted he did not suggest it. He just told Yudhishtir to do that what is agreeable to them and to Drupad

"Arjuna, hearing this, replied, 'O king, do not make me a participator in sin. Thy behest is not conformable to virtue. That is the path followed by the sinful. Thou shouldst wed first, then the strong- armed Bhima of inconceivable feats, then myself, then Nakula, and last of all, Sahadeva endued with great activity. Both Vrikodara and myself, and the twins and this maiden also, all await, O monarch, thy commands. When such is the state of things, do that, after reflection, which would be proper, and conformable virtue, and productive of fame, and beneficial unto the king of Panchala. All of us are obedient to thee. O, command us as thou likest.'

. And Drupada always favoured Arjun and strived hard to get him as his son in law.
Arjuna never asked Yudhishtir to marry Draupadi. He just said he would marry only after Yudhishtir and Bhima married.
Did Kunti ask Yudhishtir only to marry Draupadi...No..
By the time Draupadi walked to the hut she is
Arjun's wife. Shared...but not Yudhishtir s ...Who has no right over his brother's wife.
I differ with those who say she is Yudhishtir's Sri...
Sri always resides with Arjun.

Yatra yogiswarah krishno Yatra Partho dhanurdharah
tatra sri,Vijayorbhutih dhruva nitirmatirmama.
I even disagree with those who say Yudhishtir is her first husband. No way.
in ancient days even Gandharva vivah Rakshas vivah also existed. They are not done with Vaidik rites.

Similarly swayamvar in those days is very prominent and popular especially among Kshatriyas.

I disagree with those who give Bheeshma's Example of bringing Ambika and Ambalika for Vichitravirya. He abducted them.He was not garlanded by them. So he got them married to his brother.

Here the case is different. Drupad took an oath that he will offer his daughter to the winner. Arjun won the contest. Draupadi accepted him by garlanding him. She became his wife...only the vaidic rites are to be done.

Just because Yudhishtir married first doesn't give him the right of being her first husband. The whole swayamvara system is ridiculed if Arjuna is not considered her husband first.

Hence it is Arjun only Draupadi's First Husband not Yudhishtir.

Lakshmi telidevara.


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Yes, the points you have put forth are absolutely right. In my point of view, Kunti might have been intimidated by the beauty of Draupadi and the feelings of her other sons towards Draupadi. So, I think she might have thought it would create dissensions and might have taken this route in the best interests of Pandavas. Though she uttered about "sharing" initially not knowing about Draupadi, but I believe after seeing the circumstances she might have thought what she said is best case for Pandavas.

Only two incidents I can think of in whole of Arjun's noble life that are regrettable, one is the sharing of Draupadi and the other is the Dyut Sabha incident. On both occasions, due to his obedience/love for elders and for keeping Pandava unity in tact, he had to restrain himself. Arjun was a man of great compassion and love, and I believe he might have endured tremendous pain during those two incidents but had to restrain himself.

Whatever may be the reason for sharing, but Draupadi had to endure great suffering because of that. I believe it was primarily because of her sharing although her beauty too might have been one of the reasons, she was subjected to humiliation at the hands of Duryodhan, Karna, Dushshasan, Jayadrat. Only a woman of great moral strength and strong character like Draupadi could withstand such incidents. In my personal view, sharing of Draupadi, was an injustice done to both Draupadi and Arjun.

Regarding new trends, when books such as Ajaya, Palace of Illusions etc., are published and have become famous, then anything is possible. Fortunately, we have authentic version of Vyasa to rely on and refute such distortions which damage the great epic.
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What is your opinion about Vyasa discourse to Pandavs at Ekchakra Nagri where he clearly mentions that Draupadi has received a boon from Shiva to have five of you as her husbands.
Vyasa tells this to Pandavas that Drauapdi will be common wife of all you so all of you should proceed to her Swayamvar in kampilya

When Vyasa has already informed and Pandavs have accepted without any protest or question this instruction why is Kunti being blamed


When Arjun walked into Swayamvar he already knows that he is winning a wife for himself and his brothers.

Drupad may not have known that she had to marry five of them. Drauapdi herself may not have known because epic does not indicate Vyasa meeting Druapd and Drauapdi prior to the Swayamvar.
But he meets Pandavs and informs them. So how is she Arjun's wife destined for him but shared because Kunti became afraid of her beauty. Vyasa has already clearly told Pandavas before even they stepped into the city that she is destined to be common wife for all.

Are you questioning Vyasa statement and calling it a lie. He is the author of the epic, if he says Shiva destined her to have five husbands as a boon why have you shown here it was a curse for her.

Shiva gave her a boon of five husbands but your whole story depicts it as a curse for her. Are you implying Shiva gave her a curse or that Vyasa was lying


Vyasa visit and his instructions to Pandavas are given here
Adi Parva / Chaitratha Parva / section CLXXI

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01172.htm

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With due respect to your view I would like to say this is not discussion thread..This is the story with only some input occasionally that helps me unfold my views. As per my post I did not negate Vyasa's prediction. I described the sanctity of Swayamvar and swayamvar garland ..as per the custom in those days. I quoted Sanskrit verses in between since I read MBH all versions in Sanskrit only. This post is posted by me somewhere else with Sanskrit verses. India Forum won't allow Dev nagari somehow I don't know the reason.The same Vyasa described Draupadi as Arjun's Patni (wife) in the verse after she garlanded him. I can give it in English script...

But this thread I won't awail for discussions. I hope you understood.


Lakshmi telidevara.
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But, after saying so about the sharing part, Kunti seems to have great trouble in convincing herself and she could not even recollect about the talk of Vyasa herself.
Even, Yudhistir, did not recollect the talk of Vyasa immediately. He first suggested to Arjun to proceed and only when Arjun said it is not proper for the younger brother to marry before his eldest brother and later on looking at his brothers captivated by the beauty of Draupadi and fearing division amongst brothers, that Yudhistir was able to recollect Vyasa's talk.

Also, in the text, Arjuna did not say anything about Vyasa's talk about sharing of Draupadi, but merely indicated that it is not proper for younger brother to marry before his elder brother. Also, interestingly, it was recollected by Yudhistir only after the above incidents.

So reading this episode of sharing, looks like at least initially, it was more or less influenced by Draupadi's beauty and feelings of Pandavas towards her rather than Vyasa's talk.

So, the fear of division amongst Pandavas with regards to Draupadi seems at least initially as a primary motivating factor here. So, Kunti/Yudhistir (more likely) as indicated in this text, here seems to have made that decision fearing division. Vyasa's words definitely might have influenced Drupad and others but that was a bit later on after this initial episode.

Below is the link:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01194.htm

As Lakshmi pointed out, since this is not a discussion thread but a story thread, so let's have the story continue here...
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