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Posted: 6 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: kahiliginger

Hello everyone on the forum! Serials have a way of distorting historical facts. For those who care to know what really took place in the Peshwa family please read on-


1. Polygamy and concubinage was fairly common among all classes during the 18th century Maharashtra. If the woman whom a wealthy and influential man wished to take on belonged to another caste/community he could marry her legally with her but could maintain her as his mistress/concubine. This happened with the tacit agreement of his first family and the wife rarely interacted with her husband's other companions. Nevertheless these women and their children were always provided for by the man. This is true for both Balaji Vishwanath's as well as Bajirao's mistresses. Mastani could not be given the status of a legal wife because she belonged to another community. Even Shahu's favourite concubine was a slave girl called Virubai who actually came as part of one of his wife's dowry.

2.  Radhabai had little scope to bear a grudge against her husband. Balaji became Peshwa in 1713 and died within 7 years. In this period he was rarely home as he was always on campaigns.Balaji died on 2nd April 1720. Bajirao was soon appointed Peshwa in his father's place.

3. It did not matter which woman Bajirao preferred. Both bore him children until 1735, five years before his death. He was married to Kashi in 1711 when he was 11 and she was 8 years old. She remained his consort until his death in 1740. Thus they were together for 30 years.

Mastani came into his life during the Bundelkhand campaign in 1729. She spent nearly a decade with him alongside Kashi.

4. Bajirao cohabited with both women right until 1737. 

Kashi bore him at least 5 sons:

a. Balaji aka Nana, born in December 1731.
b. Ramchandra, born in 1723 and died in 1733.
c. Son, name unknown, born in 1732/33  died soon after birth (Seems :Kashi became depressed after losing two children in successive years from 1732-3)
d. Raghunath aka Raghoba, born in 1734
e. Janardan, born in 1735 died at the age of 14 in 1749.

Mastani's son Shamsher was born in 1734, the same year when Kashi's son Raghunath was born. Mastani also gave birth to two daughters who did not survive infancy.

5. Mastani spent two years on campaign with Bajirao between 1736-38. During this time he fell for her completely. After she bore him a son she was moved into an independent mansion called Mastani Mahal in 1736. Since then Bajirao spent most of his time with her. Mastani was much younger than Kashi, was beautiful and was a talented singer. Also Bajirao began eating meat and drinking alcohol in her company, habits which were taboo to Brahmins then. This was due to his contact with the pleasure loving Rajput nobility of North India. 

Thus Mastani Mahal became his pleasure palace where the party never stopped. This was the main reason for the family's disenchantment over his dalliance with Mastani. Let us remember that Mastani had coexisted with Kashi under the same roof for nearly a decade with little opposition from the same family.

Because she was Bajirao's favourite Mastani had been tolerated by his family. But trouble broke out when Bajirao's lifestyle became more and more liberal in her company after 1738. The Brahmin clergy of Pune boycotted the Peshwa family for this reason, refusing to perform pujas, weddings and thread ceremonies.This forced Radhabai and Chimaji to try and separate Mastani from him after Rau firmly refused to reduce his association with her.

6. Most legends about Mastani are all hokum. She was neither a warrior princess nor did she fight battles. Rather she was trained to be a professional singer. And she just went along with Bajirao as his lover, not as his deputy in battle.

The Peshwa family never tortured her or her son. There was no question of accepting her as a daughter-in-law since she was a concubine. The main family never interacted with such women because they were maintained for the man's private pleasure. Thus Bajirao wanting her accepted as a legal wife or for Shamsher to be brought up as a Brahmin are unsubstantiated stories. Such things were not possible in the18th century.

7. Bajirao did not die of a broken heart. He was drinking heavily in the last couple of years of his life. He fell ill and died (while camped in Rawerkhedi on the banks of the river Narmada) on 28th April 1740. Kashi and son Janardan were the only family members with him at the time. Mastani was either under house arrest in Pune during the time or was released and was on her way to his camp. Soon after she got the news of his death she probably committed suicide. 

Kashi lived on as a widow and died in 1756. The Peshwa family brought up Mastani's son Shamsher as one of their own. Ironically Bhansali's movie portrayed them as villains and never gave them credit for this. 


Finally someone who has presented accurate historical facts👏👏
Thank you very much!! Otherwise often Kashi and the Peshwa Family are misunderstood.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#22
Thanks a lot for those facts! It gives base to our thoughts. So Bajirao actually fell into bad company. I don't know what good did Mastani do to him :(
Peshwa's family are uneventfully and unnecessarily portrayed as villians to glorify a concubine. I fail to understand this concept of glorification of someone kept for pleasure. Infact, here Kashibai has to be applauded for accepting and bringing up Rao's illegitimate son. Bravo!⭐️

Hence, there's no question of being intolerant, ruthless and disliking Mastani by the Peshwa family. Thankyou for helping us out with these dates and stuff!

Instead of Baji, Kashi should be the one to sulk and think that where she's stuck and how!?

Cheers.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#23
Sorry if I'm saying this but Bajirao isn't a character worth being portrayed on TV at a personal level. We can draw no possible inspiration from his home life. He was like any other politically influenced person : lavishing, spoilt and with no regard for anyone (after Mastani stepped in) 🤢
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Posted: 6 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: .-Amethyst-.


I don't know if it's only me but I've a special thing for all first wives : Helena, Ruqaiyya, Ajabde, Draupadi, Kashi...
I cannot bring myself to think what void could have Mastani filled in his heart?! Even Gotya said yesterday : tere andar Ka khaalipann. What? If he's not a loving person he'll not have feelings for anyone, isn't it? Why Mastani then and not Kashi? Did he just need someone from an army background to have love with?

If Kashibai would've done that, historians might've already labelled her a characterless woman and written pages of taunts and stuff for her. But Bajirao, alas! Was a great man 🤢

The reason is simple.Mastani was younger and more beautiful.This is why Bajirao chose to ignore his faithful and dedicated wife.
There was no love between them initially.It was plain attraction.
Then they grew closer while she accompanied him on battles.

I don't understand why Bajirao and Mastani are portrayed as eternal lovers when their love was shallower than a puddle.It was superficial.

BTW you have mentioned all of my favourite women above.Especially Helena and Ruqaiyya.These two characters are the most misunderstood souls.A simple correction though.Helena/Cornelia was CGM's second wife.First one was Durdhara.Helena was the woman CGM loved and cherished and vice versa.She was a sweet and loving woman whom CGM could trust even in the darkest hours.She raised Bindusar as her own child after Durdhara's death.

Ruqaiyya was Akbar's childhood friend and closest confidant.She was Akbar's pillar of support and the Padshah Begum.

But unfortunately television chose to portray them as vamps for the sake of drama and TRPs.

Atleast Draupadi,Ajabde and Kashi got their due on TV and the big screen.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#25
^Oh! I didn't know it!
Ekkki maiyya showed Helena as CGM's first wife :/
You're absolutely right. Bajirao Mastani were just regular mortal beings engaged in external affairs. Why even show them on TV?😆

Wait till you see Kashi turning vampish to justify Mastani's struggle to be accepted (where is the need to get accepted in you're the other woman?)😕

Ikr? Ruqaiyya was such a learned lady who helped Akbar manage his people. So was Helena who also fought battles alongside CGM. What a waste of time seeing such lady turn black worms! :/
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Posted: 6 years ago
#26
The portrayal of all the characters in the serial is skewed. It makes us dislike Bajirao and Mastani because we tend to feel sorry for Kashi. But Bajirao was not unlike other men of his time. Exception was unlike the other men he fell in love with his mistress Mastani and that led him to become reckless and neglect Kashi and her children. That was the root of the family tragedy. Mastani was not the homebreaker, it was Bajirao himself. 
Such forbidden love seems selfish but it is not necessarily fake. Mastani could not be blamed if Bajirao loved her more than Kashi, given her status and position she did not have a choice in the matter. Nearly all Peshwa wives had to share their husbands with other women. Neglect and loneliness were a first wife's constant companions.
At least Chimaji remained a loyal husband, never straying once. He did remarry after his first wife died but he never cheated on either wife.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#27
So basically we loved bajirao mastani only because ranveer deepika and priyanka
And the bansali grandur
In real story was different
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Posted: 6 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: .-Amethyst-.

Sorry if I'm saying this but Bajirao isn't a character worth being portrayed on TV at a personal level. We can draw no possible inspiration from his home life. He was like any other politically influenced person : lavishing, spoilt and with no regard for anyone (after Mastani stepped in)🤢



Yes right.
He had power. Woman are mute spectors.
He loved his mother. After seeing her plight after his father's betrayal he should have loyal to kashi
But he followed his father.
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Posted: 6 years ago
#29
There is a theory that all powerful men are characterised by higher testosterone levels. Bajirao was a warrior Peshwa. Between 1720-1740 he was the most powerful man in the Maratha Empire, even more influential than the Maratha King Shahu whom he served. High testosterone and increased libido go hand in glove. Politicians, heads of state, sportsmen, leading actors, etc are more likely to stray and media gives their affairs so much attention that their scandals often overshadow their professional achievements.

Bajirao could not resist the younger,and prettier Mastani. In her company he could transcend the mood-killing orthodoxy that affected his relationship with his pious Brahmin wife. Did you know that in the 18th century a Marathi Brahmin wife was often sexually unavailable to her spouse - either because of her menstrual period, pregnancy and childbirth, days of religious obligation and mourning, during the four months of Chaturmas, etc? There were other absurd rules-for example you could enjoy intimacy only at night, never during the day. For a mistress these rules became more relaxed. 

Modern men are driven to having extramarital affairs for similar reasons- their wives get so wrapped up in managing their jobs, home and kids that the man feels physically and emotionally neglected. A paramour provides him release from marital monotony.

Kashi endured at least six pregnancies between 1721-35. This must have taken a toll on her physically. Also she developed a form of arthritis which affected her leg. That could have created a perception of her being sexually inadequate while her husband had a rather strong libido. Our modern hearts may bleed at the prospect of polygamous marriages but in those times women were brought up to expect them.
Edited by kahiliginger - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#30
But for trp they won't show that.
It is going to be a love story.
Only hope is that they don't show kashi full black like ektha first wives